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- ThetaDot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder if he's getting program crashes and actual XP crashes confused.
I've had an actual OS crash on XP Pro maybe twice a year... which is understandable considering what I was doing on the machine at the time it went down.
Now I get program crashes all the time. Maybe once every few days. Those ask me to send reports, too.
meh. at any rate, XP is fine in terms of stability - disord3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's some amazing conclusion he's drawn. One time when I was having a problem with some shoddy application, My computer blue screend twice in five minutes. That's equates to over one million crashes per year, and that's only my computer!
- 3-6-0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1my dell thats about 6 months old has crashed only 3 times xp home edition
- evil-doer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12000/XP has been extremely stable for me. like i can count the number of crashes on one hand PER YEAR. even windows 95/98 it only crashed on me maybe once or twice a month? i dunno what these people are doing to make it crash so much. this is also on many different machines.
- Bonobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i got XP 3 days after luanch and not a single crash..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the bulk of the user of windows dont really have a clue what they are dealing with, thus windows may crash more liley, but on a mac, you can be new to computer and they will "just work" for you
- ShadowRider, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0John Dvorak is an imbecile. The pictures they use of him in PC Mag are pure retardation. He makes a lot of worthless claims including one where he says that Windows will lose its position as the top OS by the end of the decade. I'd bet against that.
- 3-6-0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this may sound stupid but does xp even have the blue screen of death??
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Like some others have said, the ONLY time I've ever had Windows XP crash on me was when it was hardware/driver related, and even then it was my own fault for installing unstable drivers.
- awilke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think mine has ever crashed except when it was my fault. That being said my buddies computer does it all the time because he doesn't take care of his system
- 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Reapidisimo is right, no one ever looks at that stats, but I'm sure you could make a ***** argument about Mac crashing a bunch. Of course noone uses Macs, so the number would be lower, but in my experience OS X is fairly unstable. I use a Powerbook to make songs in Garageband because I didn't have to pay for it. I'd say that computer all out freezes maybe once or twice a week. Again, it's probably my fault somehow just like XP crashes are the user's fault, but the point is that no OS is invulnerable to user stupidity. There's no way to make one that is either because functionality is always sacrificed when the power is taken from the user. XP is the best combination of stuff for the Power User to fool around with and easiness for the dumbass to browse porn with.
- rapidisimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've had stupid macs crash at school...
So don't tell me macs don't crash... - scotoma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+024.5 million + 1 XP Crashes a day
- Smokezz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>> this may sound stupid but does xp even have the blue screen of death??
Yes, but its very rare. They generally catch it and just reboot the computer with a more friendly message... IE: Same *****, different pile. heh - Smokezz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>> It has to be good because it's the only thing I know.
Quite possibly the stupidest comment in the thread...
And now back to Diggs 4802834028404th Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac flamefest.
Use them all, one is not better than any of the others, they ALL have their strong points. - atezun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"As I say to everyone who thinks XP is unstable, you're an idiot and need to learn to run your computer. Honestly computers crash because users are idiots. Linux completely freezes up on me all the time. The only solution, apparently, is to put a CD/DVD in my CD/DVD drive. Tell me that's not ***** up."
I'm not going to tell you it's not ***** up, however, you can't tell me that the fact my DVD-RW in windows can only read burned and blank discs and can't read official driver CD's yet it can in other operating system and it crashes about 5 times a day on me. Linux is unstable for you the same reason windows is unstable for me, because some developers can't be bothered to write a proper driver if their life depended on it. - 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0XP has never crashed on me and I've been using it since the very first beta. The entire Windows franchise has been good to me. I think in total I've had five crashes ever and those were all due to malfunctioning hardware. I think this Dvorak guy is just a fanboy dumbass. As I say to everyone who thinks XP is unstable, you're an idiot and need to learn to run your computer. Honestly computers crash because users are idiots. Linux completely freezes up on me all the time. The only solution, apparently, is to put a CD/DVD in my CD/DVD drive. Tell me that's not ***** up. That being said, it's still probably my unfamiliarity with Linux as opposed to a flaw in the operating system. If your computer crashes, it's either because you're an idiot or because your hardware sucks.
- Xipher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm sure the number will be about the same with Vista...who knows, it might even be worse.
- crazydude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I dont know what you guys' problem is but my XP almost never locks up.
Stop jumping the bandwagon. - MKrmec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My XP don't crash for months at a time let alone twice a day like it's sead here.
- dadotron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah mine was the 24.5th million that crashed!! but i didn't care i got my laptop thru my college, they fixed it. didn't loose anything either! ef yeah!!
- kfstickman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not suprising.
- Tom_Riddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've crash my windows XP machine at least once a week. and I'm not a stupid user. I suppose its paritally due to the fact that I'm only running 576 SD RAM. So I don't blame it completely on the OS. But then again. My Parents Computer Can't even open explorer without crashing every 2 minutes. so, who knows...
- justsayit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0How many MAC crashes?
- IraqManiac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0to tell you the truth I have only had XP crash 2x... once because of a device driver and another time because of a PSU failure, people who give the least amount of ***** know how to manage their systems and make it not crash, so if everyone running XP were not the average ***** soccer mom then that number would be more like "24.5 thousand XP crashes every day", not millions
- Snyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My XP machine accounted for 3 of those 24.5 million crashes today.
- k2andy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My Mac has only crashed once in the past six months....it was while I was using Microsoft Word! Make the swtich.
- Akia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Current uptime: 15 days X hours X minutes X seconds
Best uptime: 48 days X hours X mintutes X seconds
Unless buggy software errors counts as crashes, I haven't had one for a while with XP. However, it DOES do odd things every now and then but I have to take into account that I really push the system to the max with around 80 processes running which includes multiple instances FireFox w/ around 20-40 tabs each, Adobe Photoshop, Java-based BitTorrent, Winamp, AIM, Google Talk, Google Desktop, Apache web server + PHP, MySQL server, Konfabulator, plus other odds and ends that pop up every now if I need to do something else. I'm quite satisfied with its current stability but not quite satisfied with the way it handles long uptime. It seems that Windows is not made to run for so long without a restart. Otherwise, it's an OK system. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.apple.com/switch/ lots of reason to move to the mac, you'll never go back, i almost promise that. sorry to keep pushing this, but i want to see mac os x grow and beat the **** out of windows.
- Kashey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was able to keep my system crush free for about 3 years now. Yes I have 3 year old installation of XP. But I would say it's not that easy to keep it like that. But I used to regular maintains procedures.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0People will be suprised at how compatible mac os x is today. make the switch
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0its bill gate's little baby........
- castufari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Use good hardware (quit buying that unknown crap from roaming computer shows), use AV and some sort of spyware blocker, keep your machine patched and lock it down.
Mac is a viable option...I've had this for about 1 month and no crashes, the only reboot was for an update a few weeks back. Games work (Neverwinter Nights, etc). No popups, no viruses...I'm loving it. - Dragular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've had my current XP machine since the day after Thanksgiving, 2003, and have yet to have a single crash... the machine usually stays on for weeks, months at a time, and it's heavily used.
My previous machine was purchased in either 2001 or 2002 (mind has gone blank here), is still heavily used (it's my father's PC now), and only crashes occasionally... most of those crashes are simply due to him being one of those "OOH, I CAN GET A MILLION DOLLARS FOR HITTING THE MONKEY?" type of people.
That's the main reason why Windows machines crash more often than Linux, or even Mac, machines. The average dork who doesn't know how to avoid getting viruses, spyware, and adware, isn't going to know how to install Linux, or where to purchase a Mac. The person who DOES know how to install Linux on the other hand is probably savvy enough to know what to do to keep the machine stable. - ultimate_ed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0All you geeks who rip on "average" users for not "doing maintenance" on their machines are just nuts. If it weren't for those millions of average users buying PC's, you and I would still be building our own like they did in the 70's.
A PC shouldn't be comapared to a car. It should be compared to other consumer electronics, like a TV. You push the power button, the TV comes on. No patches, defragging, virus scanning, etc required on the users part.
Hell, even my TIVO box doesn't crash and does it's own updates w/o me having to worry about it.
PC's and Microsoft still have a very long way to go. - rousehouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DaviDK, I hate flame wars, but your comments don't jibe with mine.
I'm all for the open market (I said 'capitalism works', remember?). Microsoft is incredibly successful, but anyone who has the guts to take them on is welcome to do so. That's an open market. In the server world, MS does not dominate and it deals with intense competition from *nix.
Everyone is welcome to challenge MS, but no one is switching. Ever wonder why? The monopoly argument is *****. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"LOL....this is not about how XP is flawed! Its about how "stupid" people don't know how to take care of there systems. Every geek knows that as long as you manage your system correctly you will get good performance."
What if there is a bug inside the code? Windows is closed source mind you. - Demagogue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I take care of my XP machine and it NEVER crashes and when it does its hardware related.... People like XP because its easy and you dont have to shell out 2 grand to buy a new computer with it.
- energyblue, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Compare that to Mac.
MAKE THE SWITCH!! - tratch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My car is a piece of *****, I'm going to bash Honda. It takes forever to start, sounds awful when it runs, and there's always all this smoke coming up from under the hood.
...of course I've never changed the oil in the five years I've had it, I put in deisel fuel if it's cheaper, I have smilies painted all over the side because they're cute, I poked speed-holes in the hood because a random guy said it would increase my performance, and don't lock the doors so any of my neighbors can do whatever they want to in it.
But none of that is my fault, Honda just blows. - tratch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"It should be compared to other consumer electronics, like a TV. You push the power button, the TV comes on. No patches, defragging, virus scanning, etc required on the users part."
If you were to bring your PC home and never ever go online, this would be a good mindset. My mom has a Windows 98 machine that has never touched the internet and has nothing installed on it aside from Word. It works perfectly for her. But if you were to give that PC to a high school kid who puts on Kazaa, eMule, Bitcomet, filesharing-program-x, smilie central, game packs laced with spyware, and have them open up funny .exe files that their friends send them without any AV and no patches...that machine would be down in a day.
A computer is like a car, you have to maintain it and have a vague understanding of things for it to keep running well. That's why mechanics and pc techs can make so much money, most people don't have the slightest idea of what is going on. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"my dell thats about 6 months old has crashed only 3 times xp home edition"
i bought a compaq precario for 700$ 3y ago 60 gig hd and stuff never crashed. and i abuse the hell out of it! ive downloadd at least 500 gb of torrents over time, ive heard that is not good for the hard drive - Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+07of7 (4)-
Windows insecurity is not only the fault of the user. If you use default Windows applications such as IE, you will get compromised. All you have to do is visit a site that uses malicious ActiveX controls and you have been compromised, which requires no user intervention at all. You can follow good security policies, and still get compromised on M$ windows based systems. For example just look at this horrible winxp exploit:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-059.mspx
This is just about the worst security vulnerability I have heard of in a long time. Seriously what's M$ excuse for giving the PnP service access to the net? This is just a perfect example of sloppy M$ code. Sure you can say "well people need to update their computers" but that's not always possible, especially if your hit by the vulnerability before M$ patches it. A security flaw this bad is just inexcusable.
Just to add the reason windows based platforms are plagued with spyware isn't because it's the most popular, it's because you run as root on windows. On any other OS the spywares wouldn't be able to install to system wide directories(unless you were running as root)because they wouldn't have permission to. The windows OS today is about ten years behind it's competition in security. - kosai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is it time that us who use windows to mark posts such as these SPAM? Posts like these are basically like saying "VOTE DIGG IF YOU USE AN APPLE" and MAKE THE SWITCH. For god sakes, get over it, if you run windows and you are on Digg, it runs stable because you are not the average moron. These posts amount to Apple commercials and it's getting really old.
These are the same kind of posts that would have got dugg so many times if apple numbers said PPC is FASTER. That would be the case if apple zealots didn't find out apple "made the switch" from PPC to Intel (likely from a dugg story.) - dotpage, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My iBook 1.42GHZ never crashed.
hehhe
Nor will..
My PII 300 file server that stays in my basement, running Red Hat 6.2 never crashed, and it's on for about 2 years now. - rousehouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0a) Old article.
b) Dvorak sounds like the Andy Rooney of the tech world. Halfway through the article he runs out of steam, and fills the rest with useless facts about 30 billion. That's the most obvious filler I've ever seen.
c) I run 3 XP machines all day and night, and not one has a problem ever.
d) Columns like this one piss me off. I like Dvorak, but he simply isn't being straightforward or true to the facts. He's just ripping on Microsoft because he can, and no one is around who cares to challenge his "facts". Dvorak jams a bunch of numbers together and hopes they hold water; well, they don't.
e) What if it was true? When you think of all of the hardware and average to low-end users, on all of the computers on the entire planet, statistically it's probably a good track record when you think about what Windows does.
f) Windows XP is commercial product, not OSS; deal with it. That's why it's so successful. Capitalism works. - DaviDK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0rousehouse, you should keep up with Microsoft press releases.
The Communist thing is too old and never really worked.
Linux allows anyone to resell it, that's why we have several companies doing just that.
Red Hat
SUSE
Novel
Lycoris
Linspire
Xandros
Mandriva
Yellow Dog
etc
Linux is about free market. On the other hand we have a company that is monopolistic and rules the tech world with an iron fist...
Information is not private property. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'd consider moost family pc users dont really look after and maitain their personal computers, i think i look after my computer very well, spyware checks virus checks. my windows pc is "well looked after" in my opinion, error check dsk defrag. But this aint my main computer, my apple computer is, i find mac os x more stable than windows, even though i look after my windows pc than most normal people would.
I have had the blue screen of death too many time, my computer "would decide wheather to load or not", whats with that! MAC OS X serves my needs. - veritech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0make it 24499999 crashes a day
I switched....
To Ubuntu Linux, it rock's (stable rocking, unlike the aforementioned OS)
Win XP is ok, I'm no windows hater(I haven't had a BSD in three years since i got it) the thing works and has got millions of people in to computing, but Linux is just, nice, different but nice. Sure you gotta learn a few things but what is life without learning. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0rapidisimo what version of mac were they, just curious.
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