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- doddilus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28why pay for something that might be illegal when you can get it free and you know its illegal?
- thoughtcancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11You know, this seems to be a common theme. Huge corporation talk all about the "free market", the government talks all about the "free market", but what they really mean is "the free market for us huge corporations, ***** for you (the consumer)".
A real free market means that buyers and sellers have the right to buy from and sell to whoever they feel like it, without external interference. This means that if an American buyer wants to buy goods from a Russian seller, nothing should stop them. Same thing goes with American buyers buying prescription medication from Canada and Mexico. That practice has all the big drug companies in a tizzy, because they hate the free market for consumers, only for themselves.
So I say, embrace the free market. Buy your goods from whoever you want to. Remember that it's only illegal to buy music from Russia, or drugs from Canada, because huge corporation in America have bought their own politicians to pass consumer-unfriendly legislation.
In America (and most other capitalist democracies), you can buy any law you can afford. This includes laws making it illegal for you to shop around, for you to buy from non-corporate sanctioned shops, and for you to exercise your free market rights.
The free market works both ways. - purpleacid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllOfMP3.com#Legality
http://www.museekster.com/allofmp3faq.htm - nekaidesigns, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It's a great site, and I've found myself buying music just out of curiosity - something I've never done with actual CDs that cost $17-20 a piece. The music industry could take a lesson from that - $1.50 is probably excessively low, but imagine how much more experimental you'd be if an average CD was, say, $4.00?
- grayapple, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Is it legal to download music from AllOFMP3.com?
All the materials in MediaServices projects are available for distribution through the Internet in accordance with license # LS-3М-05-03 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society. Under the license terms, MediaServices pays license fees for all materials subject to the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights". All materials are available solely for personal use and must not be used for further distribution, resale or broadcasting.
The user bears sole responsibility for any use and distribution of all materials received from AllOFMP3.com. This responsibility is dependent on the national legislation in each user's country of residence. The Administration of AllOFMP3.com does not possess information on the laws of each particular country and is not responsible for the actions of foreign users.
So, legal there, not legal everywhere else. - dthmnky05, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I've been using this service since June of 2004, and I must say, I am very happy with it.
I have had absolutely no problems with any payments. they have never ripped me off or anything.
I have only once experienced a problem with downloading a song that had stutters in it, but tech support fixed it for me and reimbursed me for the extra download.
Having downloaded 2618 songs I have spent only $255.4 (it used to be 1cent per megabyte, now it is two) If you translate that number of songs to one of those $.99 services, the price would be $2591.82.
With that said, I give AllOfMp3.Com a super duper A+ rating. - cryptocom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3*sigh*...the one startup that actually got it right was about 6 years ago. A huge mainstream music store opened in my town that allowed you to take your cd, and go over to a listening booth and preview your cd before buying it. But then, suprise surprise, it was shut down by the RIAA. So the one big shot that they had at pleasing both the listener and the artist was shoved down the drain. Honestly I wish the music industry would just completely collapse, and then maybe we'd see the emergence of more talent and less commercial production. AND YES, I AM A MUSICIAN.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"Hey, buts that illegal"
No its not, I dont want it to be, therefore its not. Thats the way things work. - txmail, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3$1.50 for an entire CD, sorry, should have made that more clear..
- imtigger2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I want to repeat for the record, you are paying a site in Russia for hosting MP3s they found using free peer to peer apps.."
that is TOTAL *****. Tell me where i can find these songs on a P2P network, in which I can download an entire album in MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis - OGG, MPC, MPEG-4 AAC, and OEEX... and in multiple bitrates.
Right.. they just found these MP3's using P2P. Got it. Why is it so hard to believe they actually have original CDs? As well... who the ***** cares? - tellall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i run a small record label (http://www.tellallrecords.com) and was surprised to find that allofmp3.com sold our music. (after searching now, they don't seem to sell it anymore -- it's our compilation. regardless of whether or not this is legal (in russia, the us, or anywhere) i can guarantee you we won't see a cent from any of these sales. moreover, we've never sold any CDs to russia, and the disc they have of ours is only available for sale on our website, not in retail stores. whatever you think of itunes, rhapsody, etc, we get a good chunk of the price you pay -- 70%. if we could make it cheaper, maybe we would. maybe we wouldn't.
we are not a big label. it's me and my friends losing money on music we love. we were very happy with our last release because it almost made back all the money we spent on it. almost.
the digital music listening/purchase experience is far from perfect, but it's still so very young. don't pay money to allofmp3. if you're going to steal music, steal it. they're making money off artists' creations, works that people like me and my friends have slaved for hours and hours over. a "loophole" in russian law doesn't grant you clear moral license to someone's art. period. - Leviathant, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's legal... but the artist won't see a cent of any money you spend at allofmp3.com.
You're basically paying someone to steal for you. You'd be better off downloading the files via a torrent and donating your money to charity. - lobsterdog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's legal in Russia, I'm not sure of it's status here but I do love it
- moisie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Sure its legal, your paying arent you." That's great logic, people pay for pirate dvd's at car boot sales and the like but that doesn't make it legal does it?
- jansberg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"They parse laws and language yet when we do it is somehow immoral?"
Good point. Why is it when large, multi-million or even multi-billion corporations bend and manipulate laws in ways that go against the "spirit and intent" of those laws, they're just shrewdly using a loop-hole. But when average people do the same, they're no good bastards? To all the musicians out there all I can say is that you're part of (or wish to become part of) a system that is broken. If you really care about your fans and don't want to screw them over, then all I can say is stick to burning your own CD's and handing them out to your buddies until the RIAA gets their head out of their asses. - lego, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Aside from the legality, there's an ethical question, too. Is it ethical to buy music from this site knowing the artist will recieve no money at all from it? At least by buying a CD in a store or a song from iTunes assures an artist money. AllofMP3 pays no royalities, though, and artists go uncompensated.
You people bitch about the RIAA screwing its artists, but AllofMP3 is screwing them just as hard. - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Strictly illegal if you are outside of Russia. Personally I don't understand why anybody uses this site. You're stealing the music (I'm certain that even the music industry doesn't see a dime from allofmp3), and if you're going to steal it, why not just download it from a P2P service? Why PAY to steal it?
I'm not saying you should steal it. You should use something like iTunes. My confusion just stems from why people are paying money to steal music. - txmail, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yea, I really like that you can choose what format you want it in including lossless. Truly awesome, all I want for XMAS is for this site to be legal... ;)
- CowboyBebop, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9^^^^ And if you don't know the proper difference between your and you're then you, too, are an idiot!
- ConorKiley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I find this entire subject scary. So many people are confusing morality with what is legal.
The situation we are in is the result of a small number of people with disproportionate influence. Let's be honest, if any one of us had our revenue threatened wouldn't we fight it? The guys behind the desks are fighting it. Sadly their fight is harming the world economy and advancement in general.
They parse laws and language yet when we do it is somehow immoral?
It's amazing how the definition of theft has been so drastically re-defined.
If you are a middle-man the Internet is anathema. If you are an artist or actually create it is a Godsend.
The middle-men are about to lose their jobs and they are fighting it tooth and nail. It will take a few years but they will fall to the wayside dragging every person in their grasp down with them.
They lost an entire generation and exposed themselves for what they are. Hoodlums manipulating the system for pay.
Where does the shame belong? We each must decide that for ourselves. - ConorKiley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why am I still paying money to listen to Beatles songs? I bought them a dozen times over!
On vinyl, tape, CD, and now I have to pay more?
At some point getting ass-raped is the victims fault. I choose not to be the guy in the laundry room who doesn't get how the system works. Seriously, who puts up with this kind of abuse?
I do my thing and buy stock in Vaseline. - ConorKiley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"By sending these people your money, you are the butt of a giant Russian joke."
As opposed to a giant RIAA joke?
Are Russians suing us? Bankrupting families and destroying college students futures?
How many of us have lost our mortgages and tuition's and found ourselves in debt for eternity due to the Russian mp3's?
Hands Up? - Nerys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2lets see buy the music from the cd shop the artist gets nothing * buy the music from the allofmp3.com the artists gets nothing (or close to it if they pay at all)
seems even to me and it rapes the RIAA (a good thing) not the artist. the artists except the BIG NAMES get NOTHING from CD sales for all intents and purpose ALL of there profit comes from events and merchandise. most artists are LUCKY to see a nickel from a cd sale (yes of that $12-$20+ dollars the artists effectively gets nothing) even the HUGE artists and I means MILLIONS sold are lucky to get a quarter and thats only cause they have bargaining power. most artists at on there knees with the labels.
I have NO remorse for using All of mp3 - one Idea I had was to start a site where I could provide a usable mailing address for all artists (not there personal address but something that would inf act get directly to them and not the labels) and every time I download a CD from all of mp3 I would send a DOLLAR to the artists. thats 4-20+ times as much as they would have gotten from a CD sale.
I have not figured out how to do this yet though.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/ - buckdog05, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's legal enough!
- iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Legal in Russia, sure. Not legal in America." ---- Actually, different laws apply when importing, even if it's importing US Copyrighted stuff, so if they are legal, and you import it into the US paying the country you're importing from, then it goes back to the basic copyright law, which was originally meant to prevent people from making money from copying, not a mear person copying for their own use. So this is still in the grey area until it goes to trial (if ever).
- WarPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I want a T-Shirt that says, "Russian Gangsters always have the best music. - allofmp3.com"
- SkippyDoorknob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They're PayPal option seems to be down most (all?) of the time, but there are still safe alternatives (although they do use a 3rd part credit card processor that should be safe regardless). What you can do is by a pre-paid XROST iCard using your PayPal account. Then use the XROST iCard to pay allofmp3. That leaves a pretty long and hard to track path back to your finances.
- stylerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I dont like paying for DRM either, I reinstall my OS and change my hardware constantly, and I fear that DRM will ***** me over.
- owine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2basically, allofmp3 is legal in russia where they are hosted so they can be online. for their clients, it has to be allowed by their local law. so in the united states, allofmp3 is not legal because it violates the local copyright laws. however, i havent heard of anyone being prosecuted for using allofmp3.
- johnkimble, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"why pay for something that might be illegal when you can get it free and you know its illegal?"
lol.. brought a smile to my face. digg. +3 - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Services like iTMS and AllofMP3 are good for finding not-so-popular stuff, and classical too. Sure, if you're gonna steal, don't pay for it, but you can't steal what's not there. For example, a lot of good classical is not on P2P, unless it's a song that everyone's heard. For that kinda stuff, and unpopular music I like, I usually buy from iTMS.
But consider this... a lot of my favorite composers are Russian, like Tchaikovsky. Classical music is public domain anyweay. Why should American beaurcrats make money off of public doman Russian classical. At least with AllofMP3, money goes to the country that gave us these artists. Other than that, I stick with iTMS if buying American music (which, btw, I don't do often). - americanXP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm a college student and .99 cent a song is a bit of money to me.
- rutabaga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The sign up seems not secure. They have a link to a "secure entrance" but my browser indicates that it is NOT secure. I mean, does the presence of the padlock icon indicate you're connected with security whereas the absence of this icon (or in Firefox the padlock icon is crossed out) indicates it's an unsecure connection. Creating an account under those circumstances sounds like an invitation to getting phished. Am I wrong?
- xelloss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is it legal to rent a CD?
- tehdvd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1screw legality, i just want to know if i get it in 320kbps AAC, will it really be ripped from the source or just a re-encoded aac format.
- Tufriast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, as far an economies go...
***** the artists, and the RIAA if they can't get their ***** together. If it costs a lot to make, and you are small potatoes - rough, sign up with the sharks. The music industry was destroyed - much like a lot of the book industry - ages ago by capitalism. Now artists want to bitch about selling out? Or wait, some are angry b/c they can't recreate the system even? Sorry, move to Bangledesh, or some place small - make a CD there for pennies on the dollar, and then sell it here in the U.S. It seems to be the trend for all other production of U.S. goods.
This is natural capitalism. The U.S. and U.S. artists are pissed because they can't shaft us consumers. Well, newsflash I don't care how indie you are - I'm not paying insane prices b/c you were too dumb to use a cost effective business model. Get a CPA, an account, and perhaps a producer who doesn't have thier head up there ass. Again, look overseas. It's cheaper, and better currently. - phlatline, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ok, first, I didn't read everyone's post but I did a search and found nothing about Civil suites.
Is this illegal - currently unknown. If it does turn out to be a criminal act then you will be ok through plausible deniability and innocent infringer rights. HOWEVER this does not protect you from Civil suites by say.. the RIAA. Civil law suites are not the same as Criminal law suites and the RIAA can use the same arm twisting techniques they are currently using with P2P users to screw you if they catch you.
What most of you really want to know is how can this affect me, not is this illegal. So can you get screwed by this and end up with a subpoena from the RIAA over a Civil issue, yes. It is just very unlikely since they can not monitor it as easily. At the same time since this website is owned and operated outside of the US it is not protected by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 and could be "attacked" by the RIAA without the US caring.
So... illegal or not, nothing is keeping the RIAA from using their same strong arm techniques from suing you for not buying music in the manner that they approve of. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is legal in Russia and maybe Europe due to agreement bedtween EU and Russia but not sure, can anyone confirm?
- stimpy2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've used AllOfMP3.com for a long time, and I've never had an issue with them.
Under current law, it IS legal for us to purchase from them. Plus, even if the US passes some law making it illegal, they cannot make it retroactive.
AllOfMP3.com rocks!! - ghelton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1for a safer alternative try emusic
http://www.emusic.com/
its about .25 cents per song - imtigger2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1rutabaga.. you're wrong. Trust this site, I have been for 2 years with my Visa card and have NEVER been wronged by them. As well, if for some reason one month you see all these charges for parts for a new Russian Space Station, just deny the payment on them. With most all credit cards, the most you're liable for is $50 if you report it when you get your bill.
I don't know why most people don't realize their rights when it comes to unauthorized charges on their CC bills. That's the reason WHY I use my credit cards online. I know I'm protected. Using a CC online doesn't mean they have access to your bank account# and SS#. - SkippyDoorknob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"But buying from these guys is no different than buying pirate CD's from someone selling them on a blanket on the street. "
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Except that allofmp3 pays license fees to the Russian equivalent of the RIAA. - 0x1B, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They're paying royalties. All you're doing is taking advantage of a good exchange rate. This is no different than bringing home CDs bought in Russia. CDs cost about three bucks there, BTW. Would anyone complain about me cheating an artist out of his due if I came home with a suitcase full of $3 CDs?
- swampthingy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am not defending the RIAA because they are also a corrupt institution. I am defending artists who actually do get paid when you buy legitimate CDs and downloads, even if that payment is tiny. They will not see any money from music you are buying via these Russian gangsters.
Everyone has to make a moral choice. Put aside the legality argument. I don't care if it's legal or not or if you can get caught or not. The bottom line is it makes no sense to pay these guys to sell you something they don't own. Either buy it legitimately or steal it somewhere but paying these guys makes you a superchump. Just face it.
And by the way, iPods don't cost $399 to make so next time you are in Best Buy make sure you put one in your pocket just to ***** over the man! Just warn your dad first because that mean old Best Buy is gonna put your ass in jail! - iSEPIC, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Think twice before you give unlimited access to your credit card !!" - ugh, credit cards are the best thing to buy this with, period. You can reverse the charges if anything fishy goes on, nuff said. I've been using allofmp3.com for about 4 years now, no problems WHAT SO EVER!!!
- Massif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's the difference if it's legal or not? Are you honestly worried about getting caught downloading from "illegal" sources? The reason I buy CDs is because I want to support the artists. You aren't doing that by downloading from allofmp3. Just because something is legal it doesn't make it right.
- Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1according to russian law it is legal whether you like it or not.
and who gives a ***** if about the legality of it for a non Russian person to download from. is that gonna stop anyone? - Kriz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Legal in Russia, sure.
Not legal in America.
Ok, how hard was that? - spacemanspork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would buy ***** from iTunes at $1 a pop IF IT WERE NON DRM MP3s. That's the only thing stopping me from buying from iTunes. I'm fine with the price. I'm not fine with the DRM. I haven't bought from AllOfMP3, but I'm strongly considering it now.
I know a lot of more tech savvy people would willingly buy from iTunes if it weren't for the DRM protection. So what does that mean? I get my music for free or buying CDs. I only buy CDs if it's a CD where I'm pretty sure I'll like 90% of the songs AND is under 10 bucks. And I'll never buy DRM protected CDs.
The music industry needs to smarten up. Keep the $1 a pop price. Take away DRM. A lot of people will buy from them just because it's convenient. And if they lower it to $0.25 a song, they don't really have to worry too much about piracy since a lot of people will be like "well, I can get it from you or I can just download it myself. It's only a quarter!" - shadcrkd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wish this was legal...=(
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