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- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3IE7 is going to end up breaking more websites than Firefox because of it's half-assed attempt to play catch up in Standards support. It's going to be amusing, but I think it will drive more people away than attract. Personally I could careless if you use Opera, Firefox, or any other browser that strives to be as standards compliant as possible, just don't use IE and it's shells (ie. Maxthon)
I am also a .NET developer and I have NO issues building my web apps that work just as well in Firefox as they do in IE, in fact I can get most of the web apps to be 100% HTML 4.01 compliant with just a few modifications to the code.
You can hardly call yourself a web professional if you can't get your websites to work within reasonable limits in all browsers. Anyone that codes for IE only and calls themselves a professional is a poser. - whizzbang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm not convinced Firefox will ever take over IE, people use whatever is marked as "The internet" on their computer, so unless Dell starts bundling Firefox and hiding Ie there will be no huge uptake.
The other option is to install Firefox and hide IE on all computers you provide tech support on (everyone who reads Digg supplies tech support to someone! ) - johnsto, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4When my site got dugg the other day, 80% of users were using Firefox... so clearly it's just the peasants that need to be switched.
- Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only problem left is that MS forces you to use IE to update, visit certain sites and asks you "IE is not your default browser, would you like to set it as your default browser?". Some programs also open IE by default which cannot be changed. If FF determined a way to grab MS updates, fool any "IE Only" site and pop-up as the default browser every single time (not giving IE a chance) then you could make a more rapid turnover. As it is, FF is a very good browser but the incompatibility of many sites due to "MS Luv" mentality will make it impossible to "implode" overnight.
Such examples are things we FF users take for granted everyday, like my wife's browser based email client for school only works through IE, when she clicks on a link in one of her programs it opens an IE window even after I have set FF as the default browser and many other daily activities. Opera is honestly a very good choice and can emulate or fool most every program that is "IE Only" but unfortunately has not gained the massive amount of support FF has because of FF's large open source community.
I'll stick with FF and just hope MS crumbles to some other up and coming giant someday :) - fnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The PC as we know it will be dead in 15 years. It'll all be wireless client hook-ups to a chip inserted in you ASS!
- h3adstr0ng, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How long has IE been out? Now how long has Firefox been out? Interesting.
I believe IE is soon to be officially dead. Seriously, who has ever switched from Firefox to IE? Exactly. Huzzah for Firefox. HUZZAH. - caffeine211, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think Firefox's user base will grow. I don't think IE will ever go away.
@ frizzipazzi
I tried Opera out for a month. I didn't like it much. I don't like how the tabs and book mark tool bar works. Also, not everyone uses IRC or RSS. I like Firefox because it doesn't come with EVERYTHING on it; I can pick from a huge list of extensions and get my browser to do what I want it to.
Not to bash Opera, though. I would certainly choose it over IE. But Firefox is nicer in my opinion. But to each his own. - Esso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I switched from Internet Exploder to Firefox a year ago and never looked back. The key for me are the extensions and tabs. God, how can anyone browse without tabs !!!???
There will always be a significant slice of ignorant and stubborn inDUHviduals who will continue to use IE. Look how many still use AOL or MSN for gods sake.
And where is IE7? It was supposed to be out last summer... not that I care of course. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lets hope this doesn't go to the Mozilla Foundation's heads, they could be a victim of their own sucess, i.e. they get more popular and thus more security holes are exposed to more people or whatever
- Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As whizbang also stated, we can't forget that the majority of the internet populace is just plain computer illiterate and shuffles around from site to site based on friends suggestions or a flashy ad (yes people still click on those or they wouldn't use them). When your computer comes with a big fancy "E" icon on your desktop and the tech support is still telling them "open Internet Explorer" then we're not going to get a big ol' browser revolution on our hands.
The best chance for FF to make a massive pickup is through word of mouth to your friends, family and pretty much anyone you meet on the street :) - mdepolli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> But the bad thing is, MOST sites don't load correctly in FF.
WTF? What kind of heavy drug are you on? I visit websites continuously all day long, and it's been AGES since I saw one that wouldn't display properly in Firefox. - snowsk8er77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i don't like the fact that firefox is getting more popular, as sson as it get REALLY big all the hackers will start writing viruses for that
- sergio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I am not missing your point that a web dev should NOT code to a specific browser but no browser (that I know of) is absolutely 100% web standards compliant."
That's what the deal with Acid2 compliance is all about. Opera 9 is shooting for it, what version of Firefox will be compliant? - JesseJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nah. The actual number is 4 out of 10 as In Finland 38.4% of internet users use Firefox according to a french study (XiTi), while the average is 14,11% in europe.
- HumCity, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I checked my stats today. Almost 1 in 4 using FireFox
- nouhad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FF FTW. FF > IE. woot.
- hadak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wanna know how to make em switch? put this script on *all* pages.
www.kristinbreaux.net
go ahead. load it up. IE and firefox. notice the difference. (here's a hint, it loads normally in firefox.) - motionblur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I love firefox, I just have to make sure not to open a pdf file with it."
Try this extension: PDF Download - Linuxrocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hope so, IE is crap.
- RiddickRom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I still like IE, I find it more solid than Firefox but that is no reflection on the quality of either browser, probably more to do with my system. Having said that I use FF 99% of the time but some days sites will stop loading images or not load at all but opening the same page in IE, it works fine. Maybe my system, maybe not. I still couldn't live without my FF.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Firefox is *very close* to hitting a critical mass of 10 percent"
"1 In 10 *Now* Use Mozilla's Firefox"
"very close" and "now". Which is it..? - MrSupremo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i agree people will always click the "internet" button on there dektop IE will always be more popular.
- jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Mr Mysterious, pdf support is Adobe's responsibility not Mozilla. Memory usage is being addressed but due to the nature of XUL (the engine that allows Firefox's extensions to be so easy to create and plug in) memory usage will always be higher than, say Opera. I find, while a lot more, that Firefox's 1.5 management of memory is much better than 1.0.x
I've had this window open for 3 weeks now, and it's still smooth as a baby's bottom. If I left 1.0.7 open over night it would be choking my system this morning. - andreworg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+01 in 10 is still not much. But look at it this way. IE was MS's move to get hold of the Internet as a platform. Not only they have not succeeded, thank the Lord, recently they also seem to be lagging. We all can see how the latest trends in web development focus on open standards, as it should be.
It does not really matter that software is free (as in whatever) as much as it matters that it's compliant to open, unencumbered, interoperable standards (even if, as we all know, free software stands much better chances to be so inclined). In that respect, the importance of Firefox (and similar projects like Opera and KHTML) goes way beyond the percentage points of their adoption figures.
Of course this is not to say that those numbers should not grow or that I do not wish it to be so. Quite the contrary. If future releases of IE should turn into something different than the blatantly insecure, incompatible-by-design mess it is today, I'd have much less problems with it. But I seriously doubt to see it happen anytime soon. - Jeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Firefox FTW
- BillyB0b, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Firefox is a great browser, much better than IE, in all but one way. IE you can customize it for the corporate world, you can lock down features your users don't need, push out configurations, etc. When firefox can do this, the rest of corporate world gladly hop on board with it.
- richarddavey, on 07/21/2008, -0/+0We can always debate the final release of Deer Park over Firefox? http://www.mozilla.org/projects/deerpark/releases/alpha1.html. I've always used Firefox and love it!
As for forcing IE users to switch, I've found the simple JavaScript alert targeted to IE users works well on frequent visitors ;-) - 1ivewire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now that I've finally installed IETab, there's no longer any reason for me to use the IE browser.
- creoleplane, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I pity all those stuck on old browsing technology. I'm an Opera user and don't see why anyone would choose Firefox over Opera. It's all about the usability and speed that Opera provides. I was reading a post on Digg the other day about the years top ten Firefox plugins and all it did was give me a good laugh. Everyone one of the plugins listed that you had to download and install is already a standard default feature of Opera. Firefox is also terribly slow compared to Opera. Personally I don't like waiting for a page thats mostly text to load. It sickens me everytime I see a Firefox banner that says rediscover the web. With what? a browser that is barely faster than IE and just as limited. I don't think so.
- perogi21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@firebird2110 and @Sirocco about coding to web standards
I am not missing your point that a web dev should NOT code to a specific browser but no browser (that I know of) is absolutely 100% web standards compliant. You need to create various stylesheets and hook them in depending on the browser.
But I'm very much with you on the fact that coding for only one browser is completely idiotic. - swaxhog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I posted a link to my site a week ago here and Firefox had 75%, Opera 10%, IE, 8%, Safari 4%.
For OS, XP 75%, Mac 11%, Linux 6% - fnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Goto www.switch2firefox.com/whyswitch/
- andreworg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0rc_collins: if you can't find a reason yourself, then probably you don't need switching.
- Hypersapien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0fnot, the difference is that Firefox programmers actually give a ***** about making the browser work right. With hackers and virus writers throwing everything they've got against FF, the fox will get better and better. It will pass through its 'trial by fire' and come out being as secure as Fort Knox.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+01/10 is only more critical than 1/9.96 because it's a big round number. Damn marketing hype.
Aim for 1/10.001! - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm too damn tired to figure out if that should be the other way around or not.
- socket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+010 percent is critical mass?
- flashmaster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Safari is better than IE, but still doesnt have half the privacy and productivity features I want out of a browser like Firefox has.
I digg Firefox! - antoniojvr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"When my site got dugg the other day, 80% of users were using Firefox... so clearly it's just the peasants that need to be switched."
I agree. Most of the people "in the know" use Firefox. The problem is that most of the people that can create problems (newbies and tech-ignorant people) use IE, thus propagating the problem. - Hypersapien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use firefox (at home anyway) and I don't even like tabbed browsing. I like multiple windows
- tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I use firefox sometimes, but I love Opera because it has a faster load up time, and loads pages faster (even with the firefox about:config hacks). They both have bugs but I hate and I have to stress this, I HATE how firefox uses so much memory (even though I have a gig of RAM). This is why right now I feel Opera is superior, other than that, I don't use the advanced features of these browsers and besides Opera's faster rendering and startup times, they would both be equal imo.
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I honestly can't believe people still attempt to defend IE. I've been using Mozilla since late 2002 and Firefox since it hit 0.7, and I've never looked back. Browsing has *never* been this good.
- jacobdexter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i love using safari so much more than firefox. its just more simpler than firefox. firefox already has bookmarks installed that i don't want. safari is just so much nicer than firefox.
- stenspect, on 10/12/2007, -0/+030%+ of users that come to my site use Firefox.
- FullMetalMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Horray for Firefox!!
- fnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Hypersapien
Yes that's true, however in what browser is a security hole most interesting? The one with most (mindless) users of course - which as of now is IE.
FF is great, but it's far from perfect. There are probably still more security holes yet to be discovered. You're forgetting that most ppl are running FF on Windows, which in itself is a large security hole. - mikedoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0IE is useless crap.
- Hypersapien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0fnot, of course there are more security holes to be found in Firefox. That was part of my point. Those holes will get closed as they are found.
- fnot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm actually hoping that the popularity of FF will never surpass IE, why? Because most security attacks focused on the browser with largest amount of users.
I used Mozilla/FF for about two years before FF v1.0, mostly because I liked the tabbed browsing and increased security - in the sense that secutiry holes weren't put up on the net as soon as they were found, and the relatively small amount of users. - ski309, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah well if I can't find out how to fix my cookies from getting constantly deleted after asking for help from the mozillazine forum and other forums, there might be 1 less firefox user around
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