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- Javali, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Cool but I wish Chinese citizens could access more than the Chinese Government version of the web
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Imagine how messy websites like the chinese Wikipedia would be if they could access it... all those Chinese... Then again, they all have the same ideas, so it would be a true collaboration, everyone will have the same ideas.
- sparkmonkeyz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Chinese is the most spoken language in the world. It all has to do with their population.
- Buddhist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9When you realize they have 1.3 billion people, 132 million Chinese accessing the web isn't that many, at least in comparison.
- ddxChrist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Cantonese? I think you mean standard mandarin. Cantonese is only spoken in Hong Kong and Guangdong. The former is a special administrative region, and while the latter is a considerably wealthy region in China, if the rest of the country were to rise standard mandarin would be the language to know.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9good for them. now, turn off those firewalls too.
and racist *****, stfu. - trollenlord, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Let's see, 30%/year trend makes umm.. 171 .. 223 .. 290 .. 377 .. 490 million people. In 4-5 years they will be a #1 economic force on anything concerning Internet and related technology.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7actually it is a lot for comparison
thats about ten percent of their population. so that would be like 30 million americans with internet access. And it was not so long ago that there were only 30 million americans on the internet.
also. for a country where people make pennies on the dollar compared to the USA, they are doing pretty damned good to have that many people on the web - silentdud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6There were loads of studies done because apparently Lays potato chips will not sell there along with lots of other "American products." There is allot having to do with status. My grandfather is a linguistics professor in China back and forth between there and the USA for years and he was telling me how allot of the upper class are converting to Christianity because it is the thing to do and they gladly flaunt it as a symbol of status.
LOL I am getting buried because people think I am racist. - maus56, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6WoW?
- ddxChrist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@silentdud
When you give them the information on how to make it, they begin to make it for themselves and use it for their own purposes and benefits. Have you checked out the chemical industry lately? My uncle is a chemist for a large international company and essentially his job is to make sure they learn how to do it; however, it should be no surprise that there are a ton of Chinese run chemical plants now able to out-compete foreign firms.
Don't underestimate who you are working with. - Kenzan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ddxChrist
With all sincerity, thank you for the correction.
I think the point may have been missed, however. - dime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The production of boots is up this month, too.
- cb1986, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I am from China Ive been reading digg for quite a while, this is the first time I want to post something. what makes you think we can only access a pseudo-web? what is the source of your information? I mean a lot of you guys read news about china on TV and then fill-in the details with your imaginations. I hate communism and I am not proud of the internet censorship but what is really happening in chna is far from what you have in mind. The censorship is far from effective we are pretty much able to see anything we want to see.
- ddxChrist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5They've come a long way. Not too long ago, the only internet access was horrendous dial-up at insane rates that made internet access completely unaffordable. Now you can get decent broadband. This is according to my friend from China, at least, who visited Beijing again last summer and told me how far they've come since her last trip.
- fitchmicah, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5anyone using the dictionary to understand racism is probably somewhat racist themselves...
(and I'm sorry if I misunderstood you) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5So you're saying they are superficial?
- ddxChrist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The point wasn't quite missed. I just didn't want attentive readers learning the wrong language ; )
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Actually when I went to china, i was able to access everything I do here...even tried searching for democracy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I just don't think that every time someone makes a joke using a stereotype it is racist. I didn't whine and cry when "White Men Can't Jump" came out because I just don't care. Look at my name. I say learn to laugh at yourself and you'll be happier. As long as it isn't anything mean spirited, don't go off the deep end.
- silentdud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4They consume far less than Americans do and always will. It has to do with the fashion of marketing. The Chinese will spend 1000 dollars on a pair of shoes if they are fashionable and a symbol of status but they will not buy a bag of potato chips when they can buy a sack of potato's for the same price.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Within Beijing typically you have all of those things, but it varies from day to day as to what is "inaccessible".
- subcomandante, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7That's great, except Chinese is not a language.
n00b. - fatbeaver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2with china's population of 1,3 billion that number only counts 10% of total population. Imagine the future.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@sub Chinese = Mandarin = "The Common Language"
- NealV, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You know, honestly, for a group of people that seems to pride itself on being smart and liberal, there is a disgusting amount of racist and ignorant remarks in the comments for this article. I swear, if I see another "TH3IR INT3RWEBS ARE BLOCKED!" or "OMG THEYR JUST GOLD FARMING FOR WOW" or "THEY STEALS ARE JOB5! ZOMG!" I'm going to puke. If you were to read a page full of such stereotypical insults of Americans, Brits, Canadian, or whatever you yourself are - I'm sure you would be the first people posting in outrage. How about a little treating others as we want to be treated, eh?
- Outdoor83, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@cb1986
That's where people like you come in. You think we don't know the real China? You're probably right: tell us! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"China's population of Internet users has risen by 30 percent over the past year to 132 million, a state news agency said Friday."
Because we all know how accurate the Chinese communist party's reports are regarding Internet usage; example: "We're not censoring the Internet" was the response one of their propaganda guys came up with a couple years back. - malkir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ummm....guys....mrfreeze is right
china uses crazy fake statistics for a lot of things.
For example, at one point they claimed that 100% of children went to and finished school. This statistic was based upon surveys of only their graduates. In other words all people that have graduated have graduated.
Also China's market policy is the only thing they have going for them right now. Bureaucracy and a corrupt government is going to weigh them down heavily in the next 20 years or so. India at this time has a much better chance of becoming number 1 in the long run economically. - h0f5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how the hell is this interesting enough to warrant a front page? When its authenticity is really debated :/
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stuff in China is cheap, except for cars. Food, apartments, etc. are cheap and a coder making $15,000 in China has a fairly nice life, except for not being able to afford a BMW. There are vast numbers of people who live VERY modestly. But the cities are also pretty safe, so the old people who live on pensions feel safe accessing the amenities like parks, etc.
I'm kind of a foodie, and I would be attracted to living there just because the fresh foods section of the supermarkets are a trip. Even imported wine and booze are less than in the U.S. Avoid the local rotgut.
Learning how to read, OTOH, is a bit of a challenge. - silentdud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Chinese will never be the business language because companies will continue to send the work we do not want to do over to China and they will some how make it profitable. Do you know how much easier it is to get things done when there are no health codes/insurance issues? China development is probably the result of developed nations trying to make a buck.
- geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I hate communism"
Uh oh, time for the re-education camp. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@silentdud
The Christianity thing is very complex. First, I don't think it is a widespread movement among the young. The under 30s seem mostly irreligious. They are curious about Christianity, but not personally attracted to it. Singapore Chinese are VERY Christian. Taiwan, somewhere in the middle. Maybe it's a big thing among 40+ businessmen.
Second, the U.S. brands thing is funny. They don't drive much, so they don't know American cars are crap, yet. So Buick is a big brand. Also, for a place that has the Best. Food. Evah. they like crap like Papa Ginos. I had to convince my hosts that eating lunch with the coders and sales guys was a bigger treat than a nasty pizza.
And MIddleGirth will be satisfied to know that the stereotypes hold true: Driving while Asian should be a crime, and they can't see worth *****. There are more Lenscrafters shops than Starbucks. - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The "Great Firewall" leaks like a sieve. The main problem is that WiFi is not yet popular, mainly due to the government being skittish about potentially anonymous access.
- williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@malkir
You forget that their corruption, taxation, and litigation is as cheap as the vinyl handbags at the corner store. Whereas OUR corruption pricing is set by people like Jack Abramoff. For example, I bet you could buy a casino license for $100k in China. What did Jack jack up those Indians for? - williamdyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ni hau, wo jiao WIlliam.
Chinesepod, ftw. - Caio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1matrixlinkin03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
- Outdoor83, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Bureaucracy and corrupt government is going to weigh them down. Sound like any large western countries you know?
- aanih, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Honestly, I'm just surprised by how you guys tend to dismiss something like this as pure fiction and a product of "communist propaganda". Considering China's big population, it is totally reasonable for a country with over a billion people to have that many Internet users. I don't even think China can be considered pure Marxist communism anymore. China is undergoing a monumental shift in its economy and quality of living. If you would actually take the time to visit that country and see for yourself. Then, maybe you are more qualified to make those outrageous statements.
And also, Malkir, you're absolutely right about India. Given your state of rampant overpopulation, outsourcing, and remaining caste system, India is bound to take off as as the number one economic power. Let us know in a few years how it's going. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Ping ping pow, Ching ching chong!"
It's not racism, just ignorance and gets annoying when ppl say it over and over. Especially when my name is Peng... - Leo2002, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My friends in China are paying much less(50 Chinese Yuan/Month = $6.25 roughly) for broadband Internet access than I do in USA ($20/month). What a shame!
- Leo2002, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Every Chinese knows they are being censored. Because any article posted will be changed immediately if there are certain sensitive key words, thanks for the advanced technologies provided by CISCO, Microsoft, ....etc.
- A Chinese in America. - cb1986, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Source ???
- Xeth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's so true. Middle class Chinese spend tons of money on superficial status symbols and little on everything else (except education).
- Dave0328, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thanks to this Tuesday's earthquake in Taiwan (and the consequent damage to the undersea transpacific telecom cables), not to many people in China can access most international websites.
Luckily, Google and Digg seem to have a local servers here. Otherwise, I could not check my e-mail or post this comment.
- An American in China - Leo2002, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can certainly feel the jealous inside somebody's heart.
Isn't China still in stone-age? Wake up! You've had enough propaganda!
By the way, a message from a 'BAD' government is not necessarily always a faked one. And a message from a democratic government is not always a real one. Think about the message about "massive destructive weapon in Iraq".
You have to think independently and judge the authenticity of each message/news case by case. The source is only one factor. - drepmoreh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is pretty cool - I can only see the growth rating increasing in the next few years. I think broadband uptake in the UK will actually decrease if Talk Talk continue to exist for much longer....
- aapl2dcore, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1And the Americans can access whatever part of the web isn't copyrighted and subject to lawsuits by the RIAA/MPAA/**AA. Typical Americans... give China hell about censorship, and then you call it "intellectual property rights" when it's happening in your neck of the woods.
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