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- aggrazel, on 10/11/2007, -2/+182nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills...
- vroom101, on 10/11/2007, -1/+109Article on one page:
http://www.networkworld.com/cgi-bin/mailto/x.cgi?pagetosend=/export/home/httpd/htdocs/news/2007/071107-12-it-skills-that-employers.html&pagename=/news/2007/071107-12-it-skills-that-employers.html&pageurl=http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/071107-12-it-skills-that-employers.html&site=networksystemsmgmt - FarcicalFart, on 10/11/2007, -1/+56"6) General networking skills"
Wow, no kidding. - diggomaniac, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4313. Be from India.
- singlegirlgeek, on 10/11/2007, -5/+38Wow a list of common sense. Now where's my stapler? Has anyone seen my red stapler?
- DivisibleByZero, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31why, why, why does #12 (and about every job posting I ever see) list XML as if it's a programming language or some other complex mojo that takes years to master? In the days before XML, did they say they really needed people with experience in pipe-delimited text files?
- narc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+26#13 Ability to write this kind of IT *****
- FRANKeB, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23The best way to get the job is to let the IT guys interviewing you know that you can get them laid on your 'team night' morale events at the local bar.
- sholt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19and tinyurl's don't tell me if a link is really what it says it is, or if it's likely to be NSFW. give me the real thing, even if it's ugly as sin.
- willis77, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21Prepositions are not something I like to end sentences with.
- TheUngod, on 10/11/2007, -0/+16Hmm maybe...or maybe you'll end up doing tech support like me.
- xaeon, on 10/11/2007, -5/+2113. Ability to create websites that don't crash your browser the way networkworld.com does.
- akatherder, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18What if you're not his type?
- dfekke, on 10/11/2007, -2/+17This article was written by Mary Brandel. She wrote an article for Computerworld a month ago about how C was not in demand. This is fluff, and no real research was done in putting together this article. I am voting it down.
- BigDonkey666, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!
- peppino, on 06/03/2008, -3/+16Butt kissing skills
- Rethcir, on 10/11/2007, -0/+13Correction: be IN india
- notcarsondaly, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14#1 COMMON ***** SENSE
So, many people that I have worked with over the years struggled because they had no common sense. For example, a customer complained about a large pdf document not printing properly. A former co-worker found that the document would print but would just have gobbledygook characters on the pages and many postscript errors would be generated. That former co-worker's solution was to reinstall the operating system. WTF?!
#2 6th Grade Reading Level
Seriously, can you read man pages and other documentation? That's all you need. - crapmatic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Well, crap, 25 years and still no hope of my l33t Commodore 64 BASIC skilz paying off.
- slimasian, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9bakeyman:
Seriously, all it takes is a good resume posted on CareerBuilder, and the jobs will come to you. Obviously you'll have to sift through a lot of rubbish, but there are good ones out there that recruiters may have. - jtb4, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12I think the main thing to tell potential employers is: "I am honest and transparent. If there is something I don't know I at least know how to get the answer, and I will not pretend like I know something I don't. Also I will work very hard for you."
- bakeyman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11I've got 3 of the top 12. Someone give me a job?
- plizard, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9you're going to fire michael and samir?
- stopsucking, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Obligatory...
#13) Design a public webserver capable of sustaining the Digg Effect - BobOki, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9#1. "I am willing to be highly underpaid like I work overseas"
Hired. - krebcycle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8You forgot cage-fighting skills.
- bubbadoo989, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9I wish I could get excited about this list, but....
-wifi is non-sense... a hobby at best that is discouraged by most large IT security managers.
-Project Mgt. is an art and the IT field is at an all-time low for true artisians. Most Proj Mgrs worth their metal are also very technical, not just paper pushers. Today's mgr is the classic cya-status report type.
-Networking has been on the list since the late '80s. Yes, you should know what tcp is, and how it and other protocols work, but it's a non-feature today.
-mobile apps? Not too many of these going around, unless you're working for a start-up.
-Open Source... I love open source, BUT, it doesn't pay. Oh, it's fun and challenging, but there's no $$ here. Again, a start-up would be the place to be.
Today's job market is very different than just 2 or 5 or 7 years ago. Large numbers of H1b's and off-shoring have contributed to ever decreasing rate$ and $alaries, but have not had much of an effect on quality. Go to Dice and search around; see how many openings want every skill under sun and are paying $50k - $80k. In my market, that won't even cover rent or mortgage, nevermind $3/gallon gas.
I've been around since the 80's, when I remember many software developers I would term 'artisans'. I don't know what happened to these folks (maybe startups, maybe other careers, etc.), but there are none that I see today. Just lot's of h1bs.
I am starting to hear about some decently paying jobs, but they're all through contacts and not headhunters. - Error601, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Yea, i've done real ENTERPRISE network with thousands of nodes. Easy ***** compared to design and development.
- totallyAMAZING, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Not real, ENTERPRISE networking. Not hooking up a switch, but how TCP actually works and reacts. Protocols, VoIP, converged networks, real networking, not plugging in a switch and a Linksys router and saying "done."
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9what does that have to do with getting laid on team night at the local bar?
- z33Tec, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12waht?
- jhuebel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6So someone else can negotiate my pay and benefits while collecting union dues from me? No thanks.
- molecool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Like the article but hate that they have to stretch the damn thing over 8 pages (maximizing ad banner expressions) - use the 'print article' link on top and avoid all this crap.
- degoba, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Dont forget good people/communication skills. I work in IT and despite that fact that I spend a ton of time in front of a machine, I am constantly on the phone with end users and running around the building fixing issues. IT people without people/communication skills make life difficult.
- jhuebel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Hot air, that's what you're full of. A CS degree means nothing in the real world without experience backing it up. Good luck convincing an employer otherwise. And even if you do, you'll probably make 80-85% of what an experienced IT worker would. Case in point, I interviewed for a job recently that paid a modest income. But because I have 16 years of professional IT experience, they offered me a 22% higher salary than the next qualified candidate. Granted, I turned the job down in the end, but the point is still valid. They weren't going to offer the other guy 22% more just because I turned the job down.
- gadgetuk, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Maybe enough to work first line helpdesk, sure. It takes a lot longer to really learn what it takes to design, install and support a commercial network though. I'm 10 years into data networking but am constantly learning new skills - mainly due to ever-renewing technologies but also because it is a massive topic - even before you start slapping extra things like security, wireless & voice convergence onto it.
- jtb4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Umm, so you picked up the x86 platform and mastered it in a couple of months? Knowing all that assembly language must be cool.
- qmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I believe I worked with the same guy, "just reinstall 95" :)
- Alpione, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Correction - to get a programming job... Only one kind of tech job...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Kudos!
This is just another article in the PR campaign by employers to get higher quotas for H1B visas. The only shortage is people with those skills who employers can hire for under 30K/yr. What is really wanted are more H1B economic slaves. I know too many engineers/scientists/mathematicians who were in the trenches designing and developing these technologies who are now "too qualified" or "were only looking for people with the -3.554.2/K Rev.C widget experience" to fill any of these positions. The real reason is of course "you made too much money in your last three jobs -we don't want to pay that much even though your more than qualified."
I'm surprised more diggers don't realize this. - jtb4, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Just go for manager; it's one of the few jobs where you can get away with not knowing a lot :)
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6#1 The skills listed on the job posting.
- fanboydcs, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6how about keeping a webserver up for more then 10 min after its been dugg?
- akatherder, on 10/11/2007, -1/+512 IT Skills To Which Employers Can't Say No... To
- slimasian, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7As a recent tech professional on the job market for a very very brief time, I can definitely attest to a good portion of that list, specifically .Net/Java/Open Source experience as well as BI experience.
I've become adept at both .Net programming and BI via DTS and Analysis Services. I know, flame away, the shops I worked for were focused on Uncle Bill. The demand for both skills are absolutely ridiculous...within the first week of my job search, I had 7 interviews (with the help of a recruiter who found me) to schedule with reputable firms...eventually got 5 offers and took the current position I'm in, a BI/Business Analysis role.
If you're in tech, possess some of these skills, and are looking to explore other employment options, it's definitely a good time right now to do it! - jhuebel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4While it was mentioned in the article, I would add to GoneSouth's list an additional one:
6) Enterprise Networking. This encompasses more than routers and switches. It includes understanding WAN technologies, VoIP/Telecommunications, large-scale wireless technologies (like Cisco's LWAP), Layer 3 switching, etc. CCNP's make in the mid-80's (US$) and CCIE's generally make in the low six-figures, at least. - TheGonzo, on 08/13/2008, -1/+5one thing should be certain, networking technologies and certain computer skills should be taught in high school or even before that. It's a fact of life now and everyone should know how to use one.
along the same vein, personal finance should also be taught at an early age but hey, those things will never happen - BillyB0b, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Wow! A list of buzz words that are meaningless with out a paragraph explanation.
- shoonya, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3i wholeheartedly support these two. some people in IT/software industry are just plain stupid. you show them how to do something, they will slowly excel at it. a different problem comes up and they give up. won't bother debugging it or even something as basic as looking on the net about it, just turn to the person above them and say its broke.
ahh... the countless times in office i have seen people blame each other and frantically restart/reinstall a software without bothering to check on the real problem. - jasoncz1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Speaking of DTS/SSIS, I am still surprised to find experienced contractors from large consulting company, who are excellent .NET coders, never heard of it. I had to show them how to setup jobs. These are good skills to have man.
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