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- hwy9nightkid, on 07/02/2008, -0/+13clouds are abstractions of computational resources (ie disk space, CPU power, etc..)
its called the cloud because you dont know the exact specs of the resources, only that you can put in data/commands/files - banastas, on 07/02/2008, -0/+12"The Cloud" or cloud computing refers to computing resources being accessed which are typically owned and operated by a third-party provider on a consolidated basis in Data Center locations. Consumers of cloud computing services purchase computing capacity on-demand and are not concerned with the underlying technologies used to achieve the increase in server capability.
The applications of cloud/utility computing models are expanding rapidly as connectivity costs fall, and as computing hardware becomes more efficient at operating at scale. The economic incentives to share hardware among multiple users are increasing; the drawbacks in performance and interactive response that used to discourage remote and distributed computing solutions are being greatly reduced.
As a result, the services that can be delivered from the cloud have expanded past web applications to include storage, raw computing, or access to any number of specialized services.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing - inactive, on 07/02/2008, -2/+14What are you talking about. Enterprises have passed through various ion clouds.
- lambda, on 07/02/2008, -1/+9This is something my great aunt would find on the internet, print out, and mail to me.
- lambda, on 07/02/2008, -6/+14WTF is "the cloud"
- hwy9nightkid, on 07/02/2008, -0/+7but sometimes they carry us to the next level
- gllopc, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6... with an AOL CD stapled to it.
- skizzy, on 07/02/2008, -2/+8I dont trust clouds. There're all fluffy and white
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5Warp 8.5 to get out of this cloud .Mr Data.
- xino, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4Do you trust marshmellows?
- hwy9nightkid, on 07/02/2008, -3/+7Um im 24, and extremely interested in the aspects of trustworthyness of the cloud. What exciting stuff do you comment on ?
- skizzy, on 07/03/2008, -0/+3"The Cloud" is the father of all clouds. It started as a single, yet sexy, drop of water. Soon many more h20 molecules saw this atractive young water drop and "became one with him". The Cloud laid seeds everywhere and many more clouds were formed. But we will always remember The Cloud as the OC
- antdude, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Thank you.
- Baryn, on 07/02/2008, -2/+4WHITE PEOPLE AARRGGEGEH
THE CAUSE OF ALL THE PROBLEMS - cubicledrone, on 07/02/2008, -0/+2Except they can't read.
And if they could they still wouldn't understand it.
Then they get back to the office and fire everyone.
And spend the rest of the week talking about golf on the phone.
And get a bonus. - esc27, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1"Hugging your internet-facing services doesn't make them secure. If your app isn't secure, it won't matter where you run it."
You miss the big point. This is not about the application's security (which for a major business is usually fairly good...) but about the data itself. Businesses worry about unencrypted data being stored on third party servers. Who at the 3rd party has access, what might their employees be reading, what 4th parties might be involved, etc. also, in many cases there are laws preventing releasing private data to outside parties.
A college for example would have major problems storing student data in a 3rd party cloud, because it would arguably be sharing confidential student data with that 3rd party without the student's written permission and possibly be in violation of FERPA. - rmxz, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2I think the main reason is because an enterprise can save money by running it's own cloud internally. Once you reach a certain scale, you get pretty close to the same economy's of scale as amazon, and can manage them the way you like.
- wildfire, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2And to think Digg use to be a site for technology enthusiasts...
- antdude, on 07/02/2008, -0/+1StayPufft, the marshallow man!
- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -1/+2what the ***** does that title even mean? Oh wait, here's another -
Czech Republic enamored of The Wood - inactive, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Yes! Finally a balanced article. there are still so many issues surrounding cloud computing and its frustrating to see them be blown away - when in reality the problems are often in your face
http://www.spice.co.uk/images/products/large/who%2 ... - madwaxer, on 07/02/2008, -5/+6i would never trust the cloud unless i could encrypt all the data with my own software!
point 11: common sense! - dlsspy, on 07/03/2008, -2/+3Eh, it didn't do much for me.
1) It’s not secure.
Hugging your internet-facing services doesn't make them secure. If your app isn't secure, it won't matter where you run it.
2) It can’t be logged.
WTF does that mean? Sure it can. Not necessarily with something *entirely* as simple as a switch monitor port, but not with something much more complicated.
3) It’s not platform agnostic.
So you can't run Windows and anything else in the same place. Fix Windows. Sure, I wouldn't mind having a FreeBSD EC2 instance, but I can run Linux and Solaris.
Not sure what the LAMP thing is about. I have no interested in AMP.
4) Reliability is still an issue.
Sure, EC2 had an outage. I once had a colo provider tell me I wasn't allowed in my cage because it was too hot in there. Does that mean nobody should ever use colos? Every company I've worked at has had an outage due to...something unexpected. Mostly power related, but EC2 AMIs are *way* easier to get back up than physical pieces of hardware you have to move around.
5) Portability isn’t seamless.
So, you might have to plan some? I've had to move data across really large networks (intercontinental). It's never *easy*, but if it's a constraint, you plan for it.
6) It’s not environmentally sustainable.
So wait... it's more like putting your garbage in a landfill than in your front yard. I guess I should start piling trash in my yard now?
This problem will work itself out. If it's inefficient, it's expensive. If it's expensive, someone more efficient will get my money.
7) Cloud computing still has to exist on physical servers.
Holy crap! These things run on computers?! No way can we trust that!
8) The need for speed still reigns at some firms.
Oddly, many people are using EC2 specifically because they can get it to run faster than their own computers. I can't ask work to give me a few hundred well-connected computers for a project, but I can ask Amazon to do so, and it'd be *much* cheaper.
9) Large companies already have an internal cloud.
They don't trust it because they don't need it today?
What about next week when they need to start replacing machines to meet new requirements, or expanding rooms to host new projects?
10) Bureaucracy will cause the transition to take longer than building replacement housing in New Orleans.
They don't trust it because they're bureaucratic?
The companies that move fast are the ones that will be tomorrow's enterprises. - viserov, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Reason #1: See "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"
- esc27, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1And what does that mean? The article is about technology and how it appeals (or not) to business.
Just because people agree with a story that doesn't jump blindly into the latest tech trend doesn't mean they are anti-tech. Or did you buy an NGage? - inactive, on 07/03/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I know that, but the phrasing is way too ambiguous. 'The Cloud'.
- and303, on 07/02/2008, -7/+7These are the kind of articles that those boring 37 year old white dudes that sit in business class read.
- rsh28630, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1Before this latest scheme/scam was puffed up as "The Cloud" an earlier variant was touted as an "ASP". Perhaps because an Asp is also a highly poisonous member of the Cobra family, the hot air people opted for "Cloud" thinking it will fly more effectively than the image of getting bit if you buy it.
Either iteration requires suspending healthy skepticism.
(1) You have to believe in a platform impervious to natural and man made debacles ranging from something as routine as power outage to a regional calamity caused by uncontrolled forces like weather.
(2) You must be so naive you think the folks who sold useless security to banks, governments and medical facilities aren't spinning their same "Trust Us" tales with this new blue sky fantasy.
Unless your mother raised a fool, you should see through the Cloud to the con artists generating the illusion of stability. - Sentinel88, on 07/02/2008, -1/+1You didn't read the article.
- Ryosen, on 07/03/2008, -1/+1Perhaps if you read more, you'd get to sit in business class, too.
- oilcan, on 07/03/2008, -0/+0that is awesome except that the title of this article actually means something. read a few posts up, there's a very nice post by banastas about what 'cloud' the article is referring to.
- LVsFINEST, on 07/02/2008, -2/+1Cloud Computing!=The Cloud
That's the wrong wiki.
The Internet is sometimes referred to as "the cloud", based on how it is depicted in network diagrams. This usage has become more common in relation to cloud computing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloud - franklyzappa, on 07/02/2008, -4/+0J.J. Abrams is running out of ideas.
- scabbers, on 07/02/2008, -8/+2Cloud is a terrorist - he blew up a MAKO reactor.
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