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- tont0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I dont understand why they just couldnt say 'IPTV' in the title rathe than 'Diggnation(and shows like it). Its somewhat misleading the way it is now.
- commandar!, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Because contributing to the circle jerk guarantees them diggs.
On top of that, they're speaking more of IPTV provided as a service in the article than they are anything to do with what Diggnation is. - jawadde, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I'll raise your 100M to 250M. Not that I have any factual data to back this up, but neither have you, so what the heck...
oh comeon guys... bury this : yet another statistics lunatic running rampant. 2010 is still 4 years off (when they say 2010, they mean 01/01/2011). 4 years ago, we were still stuck with 40GB harddisks, 1Ghz single core CPUs and 512Kbps DSL. Noone could predict where we are now, so all bets are off about 2010 - tominator1983, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7You know what I want? The ability to sit on my couch and watch any television show or movie of my choice, whenever I want.
I don't want to sit in front of my computer and watch a show or a movie for hours on end... I want to be able to put my feet up and snack on things comfortably. - CoNGreen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Diggnation has gotten to the point, those 2 fags bickering at each other, and mentioning that ***** blocking ***** whore, lala, will that fag with black hear/ eyes ***** her already, and stop talking about this *****/ get "IT" or its the fags system...
***** SERIOUSLY! - reeder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Sure they will, and America will have cities on the moon by 1987!
- eric1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I just started listening / watching it, but I like it a lot. Something to keep on while I do homework to keep me from falling asleep.
The show has a lot of personality, and is pretty funny at times. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I tried watching it and it didn't appeal at all to me.. :/
They were trying to be cool and chugging pop I think.. Need I say more?
Do they talk about anything usefull? If so I'll try it again.. :/ - CoNGreen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3And despite the 2010 thing... i bet that kevin ***** sucking ***** rose will still be a dipping down pedo, talking about the hot new 15 year old models, while he ***** b4 he masterbates.
OMG, dont forget to talk about how hot lala is.
fukcing jokes. - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If diggnation is really as AWESOME as diggers here say, by 2010, it'll be on broadcast TV.
LAME. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Does anyone actually watch Diggnation?
- farfromsubtl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Unfortunately, the writer of this article, as many other industry based people, believes that the future of IPTV is just rehashed conventional television. The future, I believe, is independent media catering to niche audiences. When the distribution costs are simply bandwidth (which is going down all the time) ANYONE can produce AND distribute quality content that will be viewed and enjoyed. The question is, when these "set-top boxes" are implemented, will they index anything like TikiBarTV or Diggnation? Will they index the little guys with these services, or will they only allow content that they can slap a price tag on?
- andyd2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I take it you think you can get your posting up to front page by putting diggnation in the title?
- SwordofKahless, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good article but marked as inaccurate since the title is way off. Nothing against Diggnation but I hate when people post this misleading crap.
- dmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, good, by 2010, can the Rev 3 feeds be fixed so they download more than 2 minutes worth of audio or video? Every other place downloads normal, but Diggnation and Geekdrome and the others....cut off early. New problem,started with the "new" R3..
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well it worked.
- Nathanael, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The title is due to the fact that the inherent narcissism of the community will guarantee diggs - and surprise: It worked! Digg me down, but you dugg the story.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2*****!!! And let me tell you why:
1) Very few people are willing to spend their time watching low-budget talk shows. That's what the vast majority of these things are. They are talk shows. Hosted by un-enigmatic, unattractive people who rarely know how to keep their audience entertained while they ramble.
2) Very few people are willing to watch long-form video content at their desks. The computer can't replace the TV, which is a group-watching, couch-sitting activity. Sitting literally a foot away from a screen to watch video is not only unhealthy, but undesirable for most people. And, let me let you in on a little secret: You know all those devices with internet connectivity that you can hook up to the TV? Far less people than you will ever imagine in your ignorant, Utopian mind can even afford such devices. The market for them is far more limited than any geek realizes.
Here are the only ways that I see for this to EVER become reality:
1) Give people large sums of money to be able to afford the hardware technology and the high monthly fees. (This technology and these services will remain unaffordable for most people for far more than 4 years)
2) Have the content creators actually make shows that are interesting to the MASS MARKET, not some tiny little geek niche. (This will likely not happen for at least a decade, and probably much longer than that, since you'd first need to figure out how to make producing such shows profitable)
3) Provide the infrastructure that will be able to stream this video content in high quality FULL SCREEN, rather than tiny little Flash windows embedded in ugly web pages. (Considering that YouTube and Google Video show the same video sizes as I had in 1996, I'd say we still have DECADES until this technology is feasable)
In short, a summary: Uber-wealthy CEOs of technology companies are more detached from reality than we have ever realized, and are the LAST people you should be listening to about future industry trends. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hmmm, I'll check it out, I sure hope they aren't for yellow journalism.. :P
- vvvv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I predict there will be 100 million corporate executives reciting dodgy "statistics" by 2010. Oh wait, that's happening already.
I don't care about TV one way or the other, I just hope the Iranians and/or North Koreans (and/or their associates) won't have blown up half the world by 2010. - commandar!, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@farfromsubtl
IPTV as used by the telecom industry refers to a service more akin to traditional TV delivered over IP. Diggnation is more like content that happens to be delivered over the internet. They're not the same thing and the headline is misleading because of it. - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Diggnation...??? You are kidding right? If that's what they are going to launch to topple television and cable, then they won't fare well...
oh wait, this was a plug for what ever that company they are trying to launch without success...
I'm not saying it won't happen. I happily embrace it (I love YouTube), but this is a bunch of crap - tominator1983, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6I tried to once
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes IPTV as referenced in the article is basically the service that the Telcos are rolling out to compete with cable. It won't be a lot different than what cable is now (or will be then). It won't be like just being able to get internet shows on your TV. It will be pretty much just streaming normal cable content over your internet connection--a closed system following the standard cable programming model.
- merr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@VolatileWhimsy
They cover the most dugg stories over the last week on every episode. Usually when I watch I've already heard a couple of the stories, but there is always something interesting in there that I didn't catch on digg on my own.
...and they're usually drinking beer, not soda. (I hate the word "pop" =P) - LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Xbox Media Center, eyeTV for the Mac, MythTV for Linux, or iTV in a year will all let you do that. Out of all of them though, XBMC is the easiest to set up, though it doesn't allow for recording.
- wisewaif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Production costs are dropping like a brick. Camera's such as Red's One will offer an equivalent to a $250,000 studio camera for $18,000. Camera's such as the Red can be operated by one person, thus saving crew costs.
People may not be willing to watch long form content from their desks (though actually I watch a show like the 1UP show form my desk.) but in two years there are going to be extremely cheap ways to get video from the internet to the television. By then the prices for HDTVs will drop as well, and adoption will grow.
I agree with you that we need to get out of a TWIT universe, and I have already seen traditional producers and investors interested in investing in shows that fit your description. There will be room for *****, and tech, but there will also be room for globally-based programs that take the best of the internet video culture with traditional production and writing.
There are already solutions to run video full screen. What's going to be interesting is if the pipes are going to be fat enough to handle HD content in full fidelity, or if technologies like Bittorrent will help bridge the gap.
I also agree about morons in tech companies. This battle will be run by the creatives, not the terminally forward looking. Not to mention a ton of hard work to make the business plans work. - Revacard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, stop being so optimistic. If shows like Diggnation are watched by 100 million, that would mean there was no creativity left in the world. Diggnation is for a niche of people that want techish news. 100 million people in the world will watch some sort of video though online, which is not a big statement.
- ogre2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sad but true. (Sad because the rest of us work our asses off just to drive Used cars =P) It seems like lately it's very easy to create a popular website.
Making it through that "really popular NEED MORE BANDwidth HAVE NO MONEY!" stage into "IPO/buyout" is the killer. Entire articles have written on it, I'm sure. - ModernGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Beuldozer: iTV will probably let you buy/stream tv shows from the iTMS
- ogre2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*dumbing (sigh)
- ogre2112, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1eh
All the people on these IPTV things are all full of themselves and spend way too much time dumming down ***** anyways. Never liked TechTV either. - rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What Im getting here lately is "look, Youtube just got sold fo 1.65 billion and we want some of that action so lets hype up digg until we can parachute out of this ***** with a few hundred million and a tropical island"
I'd probably do the same thing. - MrBabyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@lakawak
Since I seem to be put on the defensive here, This wasn't, believe it or not, an attempt to pander to Digg users as much as an attempt to relate the concept of IPTV to people who look at a term like that and go, "What the hell is that?". At least people have a grasp of what Diggnation is. If trying to help people clearly understand why I think a particular article is worth looking at is wrong, then, please, digg me down. - slantyeyed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1iptv today is like what dot com was a couple years ago (and we all know how that turned out) . . . let's wait a couple years before we get ahead of ourselves. let's start by telling the fanboys to wipe that brown stuff off their noses.
- MadOgre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Right on Diggnation!
- MrBabyMan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Title is more accurate than most realize. Set-top boxes (such as TiVo) are ALREADY providing IPTV content such as CNET and Rocketboom. Article just predicts more of the same in the future.
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No they won't! You misunderstand what he's asking for!
What if I want to fire up IPTV box and watch the (insert favorite tv show here) episode from two weeks ago...right now. This minute. You can't do that with ANYTHING you brought up, unless you go fiddle fart around with bit torrent and downloads and blah deh blah blah.
When I get home from work and want to watch something I want to watch it NOW, not two hours from now when it's done downloading.
The technology exists NOW to bring a TRUE VOD system to your home using IPTV. Why we don't have it already is a testament to how slowly the entertainment industries in this country are moving. - ronhawker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't anymore as it seems more and more sophomoric with little news that isn't already covered many other places. After infinity+ "Dude..." and "Here's the Deal.." with little more than quick summaries of what is already covered...what's the point? Watching two guys drink beer in their apartment?????
- merr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I love watching Diggnation sometimes during my lunch break. It helps me get my mind off of work for an hour or so.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9Yes, it was great watching Kevin and Alex try and act like beer snobs, but come off as freshman frat boys. Also, having Alex mention his "girlfriend" to prove he's not gay was great.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1MrBabyMan, you are not getting buried for the content of the article (wqhich is *****, by the way). You are getting buried for your pathetic "look at me, I am praising Digg!" headline
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I fell asleep whenever I tried to watch it. BORING
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Bad, bad analogy. Who could predicgt the computer technolgoy we now have four years ago?
LOTS of people. The last four years have not been anything out of the ordinary in terms of advancements. Certainly not storage space and processor speed. Pretty much EVERYBODY in the industry could have predicted where we'd be. Yeah, we did move toward dual corre, rather than increasing the single processor as much as expected, but the rest is pretty much exactly where one would expect us to be now. - Topher06, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Subscribers?
The whole point of IPTV is to bypass cable and satellite paid subscriptions in lieu of something that is free (like TV once was in a galaxy far away).
If the idea is to require IPTV to adopt a paid subscription model, then it will be doomed by 2010! - alanspach, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Very misleading.
Title should be "Geekdrome Most Epic Podcast Ever" - musntSurfatWork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I just need to know one thing. How does advertising have a positive effect on the web, when anyone I know with a brain uses popup blockers, watches commercial free episodes, and ignores banners?
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11) If few people want to watch low-budgest talk shows, how come reality TV is such a success? This is mostly people talking and the relationships between them.
Diggnation is just one kind of home-produced show. On YouTube itself shows with just a single host can get to be pretty popular.
2) That's why Apple is building iTV and including video in iPods. Furthermore more and more people are buying laptops and don't mind watching video on that as much since they can do so somewhere comfortable.
On the reality of it working:
1) Unaffordible? People are downloading TV shows for free, today! And ITMS is also selling a lot of TV shows to people, many of whom do not want to pay extra for a lot of cable channels they do not use. Monthly paid subscriptions to video content might be in trouble but not the general content from all over.
2) Niche markets are where most of the future is at, but mass market stuff will still be popular - and how better to let the mass market find out about it then letting them download it and apread the word if it's good.
3) ITMS is already delivering video that looks better than most TV broadcasts. The free services look a little crappier to be sure, but then that's the hook that gets people to pay. - dextroz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5i just look at it as another fellation on kevin - so never really bothered with it.
- tominator1983, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1IPTV...hmm...
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