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- xAXISx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28"They have internet in New Zealand?"
Yeah, they got it like last week. - anonymonk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Yes, but bits revolve counter-clockwise because they're below the Equator. So you must take that into consideration when planning your hacks.
- deeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Whose fault is that if their documents, on a public network, are accessed by an automated spider? Have these guys never heard of a robots.txt? Where's the responsibility?
- rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The internet is great in New Zealand! And one of the houses down the street got hot water recently, we all went over to check it out. I can't wait until we all have decent indoor plumbing.
- heymark, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17The Internet's half-brother was raised in New Zealand. So, he visits there every now and again.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10hackers are using simple, innovative strategies these days. :)
- babylonian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Bury comments like dapperdrake's that tell us what to do.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Maybe if businesses properly secured heir data *gasp*, then they wouldn't have to worry about such "hacking." Hacking? I think not. Exploring easily closed "security holes" that could have been avoided if the IT staff were competent? Yes.
- kupo19, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"Google hacking involves using the popular Google search engine to locate sensitive online information, which should be protected but is not."
And there you go. Protect it. Stop bitching. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wow! this is the first front page story featuring NZ ive ever seen.
- redalert, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The case here is not that google is being stupid or insecure, its the people who allow the sensitive data to be published and indexed on the web who are to blame. Its not googles job to filter sensitive content from showing up on their search engine.
- djhifisi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah, dugg it just 'cause it's New Zealand, other than that it's pretty boring, but hey, GO NEW ZEALAND! :-)
- shadcrkd, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Pfft. They should turn on Windows Firewall. Blocks all the hacks.
- kozie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm not american, or from new-zealand. And I think it's funny.
If you don't, then stop being so defensive. You have emotional problems.
I liked the comment about them getting it yesterday. But I believe it was before yesterday. The half-brother comment was good too. - DyceFreak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So Google hacking isn't a new Google service?
:P - harley999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I got curious as to what they meant by google hacking and googled it, :)
Link to PDF, first pages are boring, gets interesting half way thru it..
http://johnny.ihackstuff.com/security/premium/The_Google_Hackers_Guide_v1.0.pdf - Narpas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wrong SOMETHING.
- vamp1regr4ve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i love the last part of the article, where it says hackers are using things in unforeseen ways..... because google hacking was soooo hidden and unknown to just about everyone till now? lol
- boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Addendum: Sorry, I failed to RTFA. The article says that they used Google and still found this information, so you're right - they should have used a robots.txt and didn't. But my point still stands: a robots.txt alone is not sufficient protection; you need also to at least block directory listing, and even better, put in password-protection with strong passwords.
- LCmidas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A couple years back, while looking for research databases via Google, I stumbled upon a certain university's (who shall remain unnamed) administrator passwords for expensive subscription services, such as Wiley Interscience. The page was not protected in any way, althuogh it was not linked to by any other pages (Google still found it, of course). Anyone could have used those passwords to cancel all their subscriptions, buy more, create or delete accounts, etc.
Using a disposable email account, I alerted the university of the problem (knowing how vindictive some people can be, I notified multiple departments). They passworded the page, but I never checked to see if they even bothered to change the passwords. I figured that would be pushing my luck.
Now, considering how awfully organizations take such pointers, I would simply forget I had ever seen such a page.
Either way, just Google hacking accidentally is easy, even for someone like me, who at the time would have been clueless as to how to set up port forwarding on a router. - boredzo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You assume that spammers and other bad people will respect a robots.txt. Google does, but a custom spider probably wouldn't.
- dapperdrake, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Ha, I dugg your comment 'babylonian.' Just a suggestion, don't let me tell you what to do...even though me telling you not to is telling you to do something.
- skaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thepharmacist: Don't get your panties in a twist. It was a joke.
Namco: I can't tell if you're joking or not. Seriously. The elitism of correct-spelling-Nazis on this site has gotten out of hand. - daemonx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quote - Eh, I'm not sure which New Zealand you guys are talking about (in regards to being limited to 3.5mbps broadband). I'm quite sure TelstraClear offer cable solutions up to 10mbps.. albeit only in certain areas.
I know TCL has 10mbps,but thats only in 2-3 cities...the rest of NZ is stuck at 3.5Mbps..... - kozie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3wrong thread
- kozie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Btw. I live in a country where 1024 DSL is too expensive to afford, and most people can only afford a 3GB usage cap. That's right, South-Africa. (It costs $75USD p/m for a 512 connection and that doesn't unclude the usage)
- Argle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The researchers say a more proactive approach based on building security into the design of Web applications, like the Google search engine, is required."
Great solution! - quinnk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed about "hacking" - it's not. Even "security hole" might be going a little far. Lack of understanding of the technology perhaps. Failing to lock your door doesn't really constitute a "security hole", it's more failure to work towards a secure environment in the first place.
Then again, I guess if my change falls out of my pocket, that could be considered a security hole of sorts. - detonate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, but because Telecom NZ has a monopoly on the local loop and they are anti-competitive, the fastest we can get is 3.5 Mb/s - grrr
- macjonesnz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1(off topic....) New Zealand.... well I live there (here?) so can't resist a plug.... 4 million people, First to climb Mt Everest (1953), Filmed, rendered and produced Lord of the Rings, great bio-tech industries, DSL most places (3.5meg down 512k up $40 USD /mth). VOIP (SIP) over DSL $6 USD per month. Heaps of wifi. Heaps of Starbucks. Heaps of WiMax trials running. Heaps of Linux (we looove Linux, my company has 75 machines on a Debian / BSD mix). Two 3g Cellular networks with live video calling, streaming TV and all that Jazz. Very cheap PC hardware prices, (lots of Asian immigrants from China, Hong Kong run PC shops). Low crime, the cops don't carry sidearms on duty, just in their vehicles. Great surfing, skiing, snow boarding, fishing. House prices from $50,000USD outside the main centers. Very low regulation for new businesses, entrepreneurs. No nuclear power stations. You can charter a nice jet jet or helicopter for your vacation here if you're so inclined. Car dealers, Ferrari, Lambo, BMW Merc Chev etc... Three main universities, one of which is installing a 1 teraflop IBM Power5 Chip super computer (second only to the 1028 processor, 5.6 Teraflop one at Weta in Wellington that we used to render the Lord of the Rings).
All that and scenery like Canada crossed with Colorado and Switzerland!, and your kids can walk to school safely!
http://www.newzealand.com/travel/
http://www.blanketbay.com/photo_gallery_1.htm
Can't wait till they put the running water in.... yeah right! - daemonx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is Internet in NZ,but it was severely crippled and expensive due to the monopoly by the govt based provider.NZ is the only place in the world other than Mexico where local loop unbundling was non-existent. 2 weeks back the govt came with a decision to provide the local loop unbundling effectively ending the monopoly.Hopefully it will bring down prices..
But uncapped Internet usage is unheard of in NZ . Even if u pay a million dollars u cannot get unlimited usage and the max dl speed is currently a paltry 3.5Megs..... - digi7al64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Google hacking has been around since google started. I mean why not use the resources of the worlds most invasive spider to find the information you want.
Also in response to people saying you should protect your data better, whilst this is true I have found that google's spider will ignore both the robots.txt file and the no-cache syntax....so don't ever think that but excluding files/folders using the technique will provide any protection. - kozie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Check my comment a few comments up.
You are crying about 3.5MB, we are on a max of 1024. And it's pretty damn expensive. Stop crying. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Because people really think that google is going to have Google Everything! soon that is the problem. Atleast according to this article.
http://www.oozm.com/List_of_Acquisitions_by_Google - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's still in Google labs (you'll find it below Google Maps - pot dealer locator)
- quinnk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Who isn't curious about a comment that's been buried? I can never help myself. Therefore, don't bury comments at all. :p
- bonoes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Don't bury mistergin... Or he'll bury something in your backside! Sweet lovin'.
- denatoc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Eh, I'm not sure which New Zealand you guys are talking about (in regards to being limited to 3.5mbps broadband). I'm quite sure TelstraClear offer cable solutions up to 10mbps.. albeit only in certain areas.
- quinnk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1My cousins tell me Kiwis still don't have double-paned windows or insulated walls... apparently it can get pretty cold on the South Island during the winter.
- digi7al64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ahh another post into this topic (I originally posted this elsewere but since we are talking google i thought i would repost it here)
ok, so whenever i search for something really in depth there is always one site for "experts" that returns the info i need.
The problem is though whenever i visit the site it always asks for me to sign up and pay for access to view the answer... this sucks.
So anyways, i'm thinking if google can find it why can I? So i decide to view the cached version on Google instead and low and behold, it has the entire thread and doesn't require me to sign up or pay for nothing.....nice... step 1 complete.
now this got me thinking, what if i was to change my user_agent to Googlebot, what would happen?
the answer, full access, no restrictions, no payment.
damn some programmers are stupid. - seanunist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0that probably made a few people move to new zealand...
...and become a bit disappointed once they get there... :P - unifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0TelstraClear do offer 10mbps to everywhere they reach. Unfortunatly they don't reach that far. Yet.
With the local loop unbundling that'll also open the door for ihug(iinet in Australia) to get their new hardware in place and offer (I believe) 8mbps over ADSL. - unifex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone that is suggesting robots.txt as a security option hasn't got a clue.
If you don't want stuff on a website found put it behind some authenticated scripts. If Joe Average can't log in to see it then neither can a spider... - digi7al64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@unifex
sorry i didn't really make myself clear. my point was that robots.txt file was devised to assist spiders in determining what information to cache. google ignores this and that was the point i was making.
Next in terms of security anybody stupid enough to put file locations of information they don't want cached into a robots.txt deserves to be hacked as most competent hackers will check this on there initial pass of the site.
finally, google does cache links to password protected pages etc so don't think that this means it is secure. if the link location exists then there is a good chance that without Server Side authentication a competent hacker will find a way in... remember 7 out of every 10 database driven sites are ripe for sql injections.
k thx. - Namco, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Don't put too much thought into a post made by a guy who uses a lower-case i on the word Internet.
- unifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0quinnk has a good point...
- thetaco82, on 10/12/2007, -17/+16You're pretty clever too. Demonstrating your arrogance by spreading an inaccurate and inflammatory stereotype. Your post had a sweet, hypocritical beginning and chewy center, but the finish was bitter and unnecessary.
- unifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0You're cheering the country because it got it's name attached to an article that pretty much trashes our security when it comes to the web.
I know we're way behind in some (most?) areas (Hell, most of our major news sites don't even offer news feeds) and one of the shiniest sites we have is run by a pizza company but cheering us for this? Please, pick something else to cheer about...
Claimer: I'm from Christchurch, New Zealand and don't have a hell of a lot of respect for the level of innovation in this country when it comes to the net in general... - thepharmacist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3I don't live there.
- mistergin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I can't blame you, I would have moved a long time ago too!
*sorry had to keep it going* -
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