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- starmanjones, on 11/17/2008, -1/+14make mine a nuclear reactor please. i'll take the solar panels but i don't want my life depending on what are basically "more or less" "probably" "we're sure we think" "oh ***** we used centimeters and you used inches." send a long cord too please.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+13Its going to be an amazing challenge to setup a colony on the moon, or even a small base. I can't wait until they do it
- plutonium28, on 11/18/2008, -1/+10"It is important for the human race to spread out into space for the survival of the species."
-Stephen Hawking - SawButter, on 11/18/2008, -0/+7McDonalds, KFC, BurgerKing...
Who's gonna be the first to open ? - bobjrn2, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5That article did kinda read like "Nuclear is ideal, but because of nuclear criticism, we are going to go out of our way to experiment with solar." We're only going to get so many chances at this, can we please take the most obvious and ideal choice?
- RobotBuddha, on 11/18/2008, -0/+5First, you're making a pretty big straw man there. I've never known of any scientist, as opposed to layman, who dreamt of terraforming mars. And I 'really' doubt any scientist dreams of humans flying around in spaceships.
The rest of it is just odd. 1000 years of peace is a bad thing? That'd be amazing. And why would there even be races after that long in a small breeding environment. Or religion from a base group that's primarily atheist or agnostic. Or territory in an environment where damage to technology would cause it to be come inhabitable? Or even human nature, really. 1000 years and they won't have figured out how to weed out genetic traits that would cause infighting to a point of destroying them all? - Tonydelkisgood, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4Lets see it on Earth first.
- Paranormalized, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4"lets say it becomes this great planet full of people dedicated to science...in less than 1000 years from that event people will be fighting for territory, difference of opinions, race, religion and other meaningless causes"
Hell, you'll probably have that in less than ten years. That doesn't negate the value of space colonization one bit, creating a Utopian society is not the point. - Bkaufman, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4Just use a really, really, really long power cord?
- hooah212002, on 11/18/2008, -0/+4sssshhhh. You can't tell the astronauts that.
- swatward, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3good luck setting up turbines outside and getting them bored into the mars earth.
- ronincowboy, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Silly question here. But why wouldn't wind power work? It's not like Mars is lacking in high powered wind storms. Is it due to the lower air pressure? Also I couldn't help but notice that they said they needed 100Kw for life support and to synthesize fuel for the return trip. Um, what if they cut out the return trip? I thought the prevailing thought now is that the first Mars trip is going to be one way.
- hooah212002, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Stupid earthian, those problems would'nt exist on Mars.
- Killeroid, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3Most probably McDonalds.
- Aroundtheworls, on 11/18/2008, -0/+3I wonder how much the power demands would be reduced if there was no return trip. I'm sure there are a lot of folks out there who would volunteer to be the first human colonists on Mars.
Give me an Internet connection and I'd be set. Latency would be a bitch, though.... - hoshinokoe, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2your comment convinced me to walk to in-n-out. 2 blocks away ftw!
- casey3353, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2"Well, here we are"
- biergutlol, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2from what i've heard, mars doesn't have a habitable atmosphere, so there's nothing to ***** up really
- Peekman, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3So you're saying people can't change??... that's a sad thought :(
- statuescrumble, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3That'll be the dayayay.... that I die.
- wizzroom, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2i cant wait to live on mars
- RunawayElf, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2i'm sure you're being dugg down for your cynicism yet I lol'd. I'll go against the popular vote and digg you up. We really need to be careful here. If we mess mars up too bad we really don't have a foreseeable backup.
- bmystry, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2No problem we'll send Bruce Willis he's the best.
- ryananger, on 11/18/2008, -1/+3Umm, eventually humans are going to be forced into space-faring ways. Overpopulation and lack of necessary resources are going to force us to colonize other planets. It's best to get a head start so we can be ready for when we have no other choice.
- SawButter, on 11/18/2008, -0/+2Because even with lightspeed propulsion travels, it would take hundreds of years to reach naturally other habitable planets.
They would have to build a bigass spaceship to move to others galaxies. - CTabuga, on 11/18/2008, -1/+2so were going to be livin in ***** mars??
- eimlauqons, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1With all the problems we have on earth,they want to spend untold billions on that. Please a 2nd grader could tell them what is more important, getting things straightened out here, or go look for dead bugs. That is if there were any dead bugs there at all?
- ryananger, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1I'm sure they would figure out a way around it, for communication purposes. Perhaps have relay satellites in between Earth and Mars.
- Paranormalized, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1I see it as an issue of redundancy. If you're serious about not losing your data, you don't keep it all on one server, you make off-site backups.
- rogue780, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Stop it with that logic and whatnot
- Mockylock, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1They still have yet to figure out how to stop prolonged radiation exposure on a planet (not space-station) with gravity. So, I wouldn't hold your breath. Heh heh.
- ScooterAK022, on 11/19/2008, -0/+1I wish we could overcome the vocal aversion to nuclear power. It is simply the best solution for powering deep space missions these days and the risk to Earth is infinitesimal. Among the educated on the matter, there are probably more supporters than opponents, but all you hear from are the activists and NASA is, therefore held back.
Please don't leave our first Martian outpost dependent on heavy and inconsistent solar power. - barfooz, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1That's true, I wonder how far you would have to drill down to get "bedrock". There's probably a lot of dust on the planet.
- nikki2300dk, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1doesn't seem like a silly question. i wonder if all the sand/dust storms have something to do with it. maybe there would be too much maintenance involved in keeping everything working smoothly. just speculating.
- zenuflect, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1Our species is young and it's adaptation to having a technological society is just not catching up with the rate that the technology advances. .
With those elements (and others) in mind I believe we are never going to create a utopia here on earth or probably anywhere else for the matter, while the possibility of self or externally caused near extinction or extinction events is quite real. Self evolution/modification is unlikely imo to reach the point where we can safely modify our consciousness fundamentally for a very long time (though much of everything else is fair game) which is the only way (and a very disturbing one) we could make a serious run at utopian life.
That said, our social structures have been developed based on the environmental pressures we've experienced on this planet which we evolved on, so in the best of all naturally occurring environments for us, this is the best we've come up with to this point. Think about that for a second.
In a fundamentally different and (relatively) hostile environment we will come up with new social structures to some degree or other because the forces acting on those societies will be largely different to what we get here.
Those might be "better" or worse than anything we've got going on here and now, but it will change us and it will spread us out. For a species that seems to thrive on populating and making life more enjoyable for itself, not having anywhere to spread out to is, I think, an obviously bad thing.
If we create colonies they will be different types of humans than us. The species will fracture eventually. Good evolutionarily, maybe good overall. Probably necessary.
So, go space colonization. - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1That's what we said before coming from Venus to Earth ;)
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1entire Asia is covered with deadly haze and we are talking about sunlight on mars??
lets first fix the earth problem. - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1I've seen interviews of scientists and spoke to a couple of them and they assume that terraforming Mars is a viable option...which is just retarded.
And really.... Do you think that the problem with humanity is just genetics?
Wow you don't know anything. - degol, on 11/18/2008, -7/+8about time we get to ***** up another planet.
- noahtron, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1depends what you think '***** up' means.
by going there we change it. there could be people that don't want us to do even that.
imho, if we warmed the planet the way we're warming earth right now, we'd be doing all right!
sorry, i'm re-reading 'red mars'... :) - inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+1That's the thing...we haven't changed, with all the technology and scientific achievements we have we still behave like cavemen...men still rape, kill, lie, fight, torture and start wars...
What makes you think that is going to change? - GorfTron, on 11/18/2008, -1/+1Red Burrito
- zenuflect, on 11/18/2008, -0/+0not as much an issue of lost signal as lightspeed delay. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Astronomy-1360/Travelli ... short answer is that average time light would take to travel between earth and mars is about 12.5 minutes (one way).
- barfooz, on 11/18/2008, -1/+1In-N-Out
- ronincowboy, on 11/18/2008, -0/+0Well, I didn't say it was going to be easy. I was just asking why not?
- cschmitz, on 11/18/2008, -0/+0Yep, that's pretty much what Tonydelkisgood said. Good job polly.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+0I don't see it that way.
- inactive, on 11/18/2008, -0/+0good point... but some claim that Mars is a viable option based on the fact that planet Earth is "dying"...so whatever we don't finish here on earth we would end up doing it in Mars.
- zenuflect, on 11/20/2008, -0/+0I'll bite. So ... how is it that you see it then ?
You're in favor of shooting for utopia here ? - evilcaptain, on 11/18/2008, -1/+1I agree.. what is there on Mars that Humans need, apart from fame :(
The Moon is an Eden in comparison :) -
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