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- willdelaney, on 06/22/2008, -13/+227In Soviet Russia Apollo returns you.
sorry i had to. - wonderchemist, on 06/22/2008, -7/+158FTA: "In early 1970, UK-based naval units were training in recovery of an Apollo boilerplate capsule (BP-1227) as part of their assigned mission of rescuing Apollo spacecraft in the case of an emergency abort or return to earth. The capsule disappeared at sea..."
Wait a minute, the capsule was lost in 1970 and was found in 1969? I'm pretty sure no Apollo capsule achieved the velocity needed for this to occur. - Regbooker, on 06/22/2008, -23/+13488 mph ?
- inactive, on 06/22/2008, -23/+113"obscure and unknown for 32 years" = Red Scare information chokehold during the cold war
They wanted everybody to believe that the commies were ANIMALS and shouldn't be trusted, look where it got us... the world of Disney/ABC, Mc Donalds/Coca Cola, War/Oil. - Flashman, on 06/22/2008, -2/+70That's OK, you did it right.
- Samas11, on 06/22/2008, -8/+7309-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
- HairyFotr, on 06/22/2008, -0/+46http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=sl&geocode=&q=5 ...
- inactive, on 06/22/2008, -2/+4550°48'49.25"N 2°28'28.98"W
- kopaka649, on 06/22/2008, -1/+39Buried to keep you at 88 diggs.
- OC73, on 06/22/2008, -26/+55So communists should be trusted? I take it you actually never lived in the Soviet Union. In fact, I bet you're like many leftists in the west---still romanticizing over communism. (Cue typical leftist response about how the Soviet Union wasn't "real" communism.)
And for the record, I'll take Disney and Coca Cola any day over gulags and food shortages. - Owwmykneecap, on 06/22/2008, -10/+37It wasn't communism.
My reply is neutral due to that being a fact. - Mikidogo, on 06/22/2008, -2/+28They had flux capacitors in the capsules?
- kajoob, on 06/22/2008, -1/+23Yeah, they were conceptualized on November 5, 1955, so it wouldn't be hard to think they'd be in service by the late 1960's.
- HappyScrappy, on 06/22/2008, -0/+19How can this guy say he "broke the news that the Soviets recovered an Apollo capsule" when this info was etched into a plaque on the side of the capsule sitting in Grand Rapids, Michigan since 1976? That makes it not much of a secret.
- OC73, on 06/22/2008, -6/+24You do realize the difference between detaining suicidal mass murders and citizens who simply don't fall in line with the state, right?
And as for your "no healthcare" claim, let me tell you something--when father was dying of cancer years ago, one of the things he stressed most was how fortunate he was to have the best doctors in the world.
Had he remained in Russia, he would've died a horrible, painful death.
Indeed, God bless this wonderful nation and all the goodness it has afforded my family and millions of others. - trendygamer, on 06/22/2008, -0/+17What makes this story slightly less remarkable is that the Apollo capsule the Soviets returned was basically a mockup used for recovery training - barely any intelligence could be gathered from its study, although you're crazy if you think the Soviets didn't examine every last bolt regardless...we'd have (and SHOULD have) done the same.
- BobbyMC, on 07/21/2008, -2/+17The capsule didn't need to be moving in the first place, assuming the island it landed on moved for it.
- perogi21, on 06/22/2008, -2/+17It is a wonderful nation. That doesn't mean that we cannot improve it...
- bimtott, on 06/22/2008, -2/+17If OC73 actually fled communism, then that will certainly change the tone of his argument.
As my Russian grandmother-in-law said: "I did not flee Communist Russia to be a bleedy-hearted liberal"
(her English not so good) - jerbaker, on 06/22/2008, -16/+31"Another" 100 million? Who were the first 100 million?
I'm sure you're aware that communism and socialism are economic systems and not political systems. You can have a democracy and communism, or you can have a dictatorship and communism. Just like you can have democracy and corporate capitalism, or a dictatorship and corporate capitalism. - OC73, on 06/22/2008, -6/+20Yes, I have. Thanks for asking.
- eeeeeeeeen, on 06/22/2008, -5/+18Not your common digg, but utterly fascinating, with great period photography.
- iamondigghaha, on 06/22/2008, -2/+13Dugg for ***** cute polar bear.
- Fizban140, on 06/22/2008, -9/+20I have healthcare, have no threat of being sent to gitmo or any prison. Weird, because I live in the country that in connected with all of those.
- andrew1193, on 06/22/2008, -14/+25"And please, don't talk about the "millions murdered by communism", if you don't want to also list the billions dead from the "progress" of capitalism."
You're mentally ill. - copypastry, on 06/22/2008, -0/+10We CANNOT afford a KINDNESS GAP!
- MasterGrief, on 06/22/2008, -2/+12See if those BASTARDS can do ninety!
- inactive, on 06/22/2008, -6/+16At least they worked on their own space program. The nazis were working for yours. Plus they beat you to space. America got beat even with the help of germans and their rocket factories, which were all located in west germany.
- inactive, on 06/22/2008, -4/+14Just part and parcel of a confusing and poorly presented article. This things swerved back and forth more than Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail.
- dopplerdog, on 06/22/2008, -0/+10Of course it was beneficial for both sides... at least SOME on both sides. The Soviet power cliques used it for propaganda purposes, to fuel their arms industry and remain in power.... and the US power cliques used it for propaganda purposes, to fuel their arms industry and remain in power.
The Cold War was a war waged by power cliques on both sides, not against each other, but against their own people. - sonnybobiche, on 06/22/2008, -0/+9It seems to me that whether communism is a system of government or merely a system of economy, it necessarily goes hand in hand with totalitarianism, as people who actually HAVE stuff are generally unwilling to let others take it from them.
Do, by all means, give me an example of a communist economy in a practicing democracy. I will give you my left testicle. - Gunsotsu, on 06/22/2008, -0/+9 You better check your history there, hoss. The Soviets had their own Germans and they helped catapult to Soviet space program. Their Germans weren't better than ours, it's just that their Germans didn't have to jump through the bureaucratic and political nonsense to get anything done that ours did. Werner von Braun and company constantly expressed annoyance and displeasure at the measures that it took to get anything done in the US. Those few that are still alive today still express that same annoyance and displeasure towards NASA and everything they (don't) do.
- jerbaker, on 06/22/2008, -8/+17"So communists should be trusted?"
I'm not sure of the connection between somebody's economic system and their general trustworthiness. As you can see by our current administration, liars and criminals come in all flavors. - airmann90, on 06/22/2008, -2/+10I don't believe you, you could be a communist!
- OC73, on 06/22/2008, -4/+12"I'd trust the word of a communist over that of a capitalist, politican, union boss or religious leader any day."
Because you've never lived in a communist country. Live in one even for a month, then get back to me.
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"If you define communism as a state-capitalist bureaucracy run by a one-party dictatorship, then the Soviet Union sure as hell was communist, but that's not the definition set forth by Marx and Engels, nor the meaning of communism to millions upon millions of communists today."
Yes, I'm aware that communism means two different things to those who actually lived in it and those in free societies still romanticizing over it.
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"As a matter of fact, the vast, vast majority of communists today despise the Soviet Union. Many even did so back when the Soviet Union was at the height of it's power (such as Trotskyists, Luxemburgists, anarcho-communists and council communists)."
I disagree. The vast majority of communists despise America and wish the Soviet Union never collapsed. - Flashman, on 06/22/2008, -2/+10It had to be Superman.
- Kyan, on 06/22/2008, -0/+71876 - Centennial
1976 - bicentennial
2076 - tricentennial - jerbaker, on 06/22/2008, -16/+23"And for the record, I'll take Disney and Coca Cola any day over gulags and food shortages."
Is that a typo, or did you mean you'll take Guantanamo, secret CIA prisons, and no healthcare over the gulag, secret KGB prisons, and food shortages? - miken32, on 06/22/2008, -0/+7Also, the fact that the capsule is sitting in a museum in Michigan with a plaque telling the story makes it even less remarkable. I think when the author wrote it was an "obscure and unknown" story, he was probably overstating it with the second adjective.
- haterrade, on 06/22/2008, -1/+8Interesting that the US and the USSR would play nice somewhat frequently throughout the cold war era, i've read a few things stating how the Cold War for all intents and purposes was beneficial for both sides...of course, when the alternative is nuclear war, I can see why
- AngryIrishMan12, on 06/22/2008, -0/+7But how did they get the necessary 1.21 gigawatts?
- Pixelante, on 06/22/2008, -0/+6There was nothing to reverse-engineer. The boilerplate capsules were meant to test the shape and heatshield, they didn't have the guidance systems including the strategically relevant AGC (Apollo Guidance Computer). The only instruments were sensors and telemetry equipment which was unimportant technology, the USSR would have had equivalent instrumentation.
- jecruzs, on 06/22/2008, -0/+6have
- Elephant789, on 06/22/2008, -2/+8And where is your star from?
- geekofweek, on 06/22/2008, -0/+6An Apollo boilerplate capsule is not the same as a space worthy Apollo Capsule filled with the computers and instrumentation. It would have been of little use to the Soviets, unless the really wanted to know the dimensions of an Apollo capsule.
- solid12345, on 06/22/2008, -0/+5How about we talk about the history of Stalin and Hitler making a pact to carve up Poland together?
- christhechris, on 06/22/2008, -1/+6Maybe they actually found it a tropical island with polar bears and smoke monsters.
- gasoline, on 06/22/2008, -1/+6"The atrocities of American-brand capitalism is far worse than those of the Soviet Union."
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Pull your head out of your ass and visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_ ... - jerbaker, on 06/22/2008, -3/+8"Communism is the movement that abolishes the ideologies, political parties and social classes."
And how does it achieve that, through .... uh .... I'm thinking .... economics? - judicar, on 06/22/2008, -0/+5Well, Kruschev screaming "We will bury you!" during a speech likely didn't help much either.
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