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- 471776, on 06/14/2009, -0/+11While I totally agree about oxygen - since we had life in the absence of oxygen for hundreds of millions of years here on Earth - it's hard to think of life without water. Water is the basis of all life on earth, because of its unique chemical properties. It's a solvent, reactant, transport medium, temperature buffer - without it life as we know it could not exist. I can't imagine how life could work without water. Not saying it's impossible, but life without water would be fundamentally different from anything we've ever encountered.
- senfo, on 06/14/2009, -1/+11Does every story about science and space have to turn into a religious debate?
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -1/+9is that you "pwning" telegraph?
that's me making fun of your name, because it's *****. - Arseny89, on 06/14/2009, -1/+9How about you enlighten us all with your expansive library of knowledge on the subject of extraterrestrial biochemistry before you start acting like a condescending prick?
- Shaggy3, on 06/14/2009, -3/+11I can't wait for life to be found so this debate can start.
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -4/+12yes. next question.
- 471776, on 06/14/2009, -0/+7Yeah and drinking mercury doesn't make a lot of sense either but I think he was making a point rather than trying to give serious examples.
- suckaPU, on 06/14/2009, -15/+21wow so Jesus created other planets too?
- Choobie, on 06/14/2009, -5/+11I always cringe inside when I read stuff like "biologically important chemicals such as oxygen and water, which indicate the presence of life"
Who says that they won't breath nitrogen and drink mercury? Wouldn't life evolve do the conditions best suited to live on their planet? They should ammend it to say "presence of life as we know it." - AndreasTh, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6Sea lions are actually quite smart.
- TheInformer, on 06/14/2009, -0/+6Nitrogen is an inert gas. Inert means it doesn't react with other elements just like helium doesn't react with other elements. Therefore, it makes no sense that another life form would breathe nitrogen.
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -1/+6Is there intelligent life in this universe? i sure hope so because there is a definitive lack of it on earth.
- cuoops, on 06/14/2009, -1/+6source - http://www.iac.es/divulgacion.php?op1=16&id=58 ...
video simulation - http://www.iac.es/adjuntos/videos/video-eclipse.ht ... - Arseny89, on 06/14/2009, -0/+5I hate to undermine the hard work astronomers are putting into this field, but lines like "could soon lead astronomers to extra-terrestrial life." stopped exciting me a long time ago.
- shawnsonium, on 06/14/2009, -1/+5Metaphors are figures of speech; it's using one object or action in place of another to denote a similarity between two things. A valid metaphor is "A ship plows the seas." This is comparing the similarities between a ship and a plow. What do the "four corners of the Earth" and the "ends of the Earth" declare similarity to? A flat surface? The Earth isn't flat, though.
These aren't metaphors. A spherical Earth isn't even implied in the Bible. It might say that it's round (disk-like), but certainly no mention of it being like a ball. - shawnsonium, on 06/14/2009, -1/+4I should correct myself; they ARE valid metaphors...provided the Earth is flat.
- inactive, on 06/14/2009, -3/+6Bible-God says the Earth is Flat which means yesterday's Flat Earthers are today's Christians and in 100 years from now Christians will be just a small fringe group of lunatics, perverts, psychotics, derelicts, retards, criminals, pedophiles and insane people. Look in the mirror Christians. Today's Christian is really yesterday's Flat Earther.
Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)
Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)
Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)
Matthew 4:8
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV) - inactive, on 06/14/2009, -0/+3lol, maybe first try getting a real girl to like you.
- 471776, on 06/15/2009, -0/+3Well right off the bat nobody has a definition of life that requires oxygen. Likewise breathing is not a requirement of life - think about plants. They may perform gas exchange but it isn't anything like breathing. And life can exist without oxygen as well, so even gas exchange is not a requirement of life.
"Complex cellular systems" is also a fairly broad definition which could easily include things that aren't really alive. And as far as I know nobody defines life as being carbon-based. Just because life on Earth is carbon based doesn't mean all life has to be.
The most common definition of life is something that can reproduce to form similar offspring, and that have an active metabolism. But depending on who you ask you might get some variation in that definition.
Viruses are tricky. They can reproduce, but only within a host cell. They don't really metabolize themselves. They're usually regarded as alive, but just barely. Some people classify them as semi-alive. They aren't quite dead, but they cannot do anything without a host. The general consensus is that they are alive, but on the very edge of the definition. - lifeasariver, on 06/14/2009, -1/+4100 years from now? Maybe I'm too early but I consider them that today.
- shawnsonium, on 06/14/2009, -1/+4About Matthew 4:8 (Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;):
The tallest mountain we have is Mount Everest, and even from its peak you could only see about 336km due to the curvature of the Earth (not taking into account atmospheric refraction; source: http://staff.washington.edu/skykilo/SummitView/Sum ... ). Unless all the kingdoms of the world were gathered in a 336 km radius from Mount Everest, or an even smaller radius from any other mountain, this passage is problematic. Any religious apologetics trying to justify it somehow would have to invent information that simply isn't there. - the2989, on 06/16/2009, -0/+2subliminalurge:
No. Read the part about the 4th day.
"You should probably refrain from trying to pass yourself off as an expert on what the bible does or doesn't say, since you clearly haven't even read the FIRST FREAKIN' SENTENCE IN THE BOOK!"
Obviously you've never read past the first sentence. Are you sure you can say who is and isn't an expert? Please respond. - 64bitllama, on 06/15/2009, -0/+2Any evidence of life on another planet would be disregarded, just like evidence about the age of the universe, evolution, etc.
- bizchris, on 06/14/2009, -1/+3Oooh brother, despite your net positive score, you have got some people hatin' on you...
- 64bitllama, on 06/15/2009, -1/+3He probably means allegories. Which is all well and good if you see religious texts as forms of creative writing; However, using the bible to describe the way the world works is ridiculous, especially when 'facts' from it are contradicted by science.
- Sullivenom, on 06/14/2009, -0/+2Welcome to Digg!
Next time, check out the reply button! - djgreedo, on 06/15/2009, -0/+2Wow...that site is a great parody, but you should at least put a disclaimer on there in case some nutjob actually thinks you are serious.
- kd1s, on 06/14/2009, -0/+2Interesting article. My friend and I were discussing the improvements in planet detection and we mentioned the next jump is spotting life on those planets.
- caller9, on 06/14/2009, -1/+3So I guess time travel is impossible, or we're in the time line that it didn't happen. I'm pretty sure we will be a nuisance to the alien races. If they had time travel, the dinosaur killing meteor gets its trajectory changed.
Or maybe the future would-be intelligent lizard race was a much bigger pain in the ass and the meteor's course was altered, toward earth. Unprovable planetary destruction...unless they kept records or something foolish. - worbd, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1E.T... phone home...
- subliminalurge, on 06/17/2009, -0/+1@the2989
I'm not sure what your point is about the 4th day. That simply describes in more detail that God created the stars and everything that appears in the sky. It supports my point, it doesn't refute it.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with the ultra deep field pic. I'm guessing you're referring to some interpretations of the bible that lead people to claim that the Earth is only 6,000 years old? If so, then the explanation for that is simple: It's complete *****.
If you think I'm one of those nutjobs who reads a bible passage and takes every word of it as literal truth, then you couldn't possibly be more mistaken. I also make no claim about being a bible expert. I've never read the majority of it, despite being raised in a religious family. I just happen to remember bits and pieces.
The only point I was trying to make is that the bible DOES in fact claim that God created all of the stars (and, by inference, the planets that orbit them), despite mrbigglesworth claim to the contrary.
I also made no claim that this was literal truth. I simply pointed out that the bible does in fact state such a thing. - mikemehak, on 06/14/2009, -3/+4dugg because I'm not a religious zealot
- nismerf, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1All I can think of is they can't hide from us forever !!. We are like the annoying neighbors you try to avoid when you go to work or come home at night.
- TheLotusEater, on 06/14/2009, -0/+1One of the biggest problems I see is in how we classify life. Not an easy thing to do, and I believe there is much debate of the subject amongst the scientific community.
Self replicating?
Carbon based?
Complex cellular systems?
Some of those things (I didn't list them all obviously) like replication, I think most people can agree on being a requisite for life, but does all life have to be carbon-based? Does it all need to breath oxygen? Or breath at all?
Interesting stuff.
But what makes me nervous is that I can see this technique giving out a lot of false-positive readings... - dysfunction, on 06/14/2009, -0/+1I'd go with that which is capable of reproduction with heritable variation.
- djgreedo, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1I think sypern's suggestion is more plausible.
- inefekt, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1any person with even a passing interest in this kind of thing knew about spectral analysis of exoplanets and stars years ago.......get with the times Telegraph!!!
- FearlessFreep, on 06/15/2009, -1/+2Because the incredible discovery of the existence of life someplace else in this Universe pales in importance next the self-satisfaction of gloating over someone who believes differently
- the2989, on 06/16/2009, -0/+1Also, while you're at it (and because the edit time on my last post has expired), explain why we can see light from the other side of the Milky Way galaxy, which is 100,000 light-years away. According to the Bible, that should be impossible. The same principle applies to this picture. How would you explain the reality of what we see?
http://howtonotbedepressed.files.wordpress.com/200 ... - Choobie, on 06/15/2009, -0/+1So back to viruses... it has been a long time since I was in a biology class, are they considered alive these days? It was swinging back and forth from what I remember and provides a good example of something that doesn't really make the cut but isn't really "dead" either.
- Norlick, on 06/15/2009, -1/+1I thumbed you for overall message + Atheism woo, but still, chill the ***** out man, Christians are stupid but they ain't automatically psychopaths.
- Norlick, on 06/15/2009, -1/+1Space and Science pretty much make clowns of religion in every article, so yea.
- mrbigglesworthg, on 06/15/2009, -1/+1with all do respect jesus didnt make anything... so i guessing that a joke... n if god built other planets then why doesnt it say it in the bible... furthermore peeps if i was to come from a religious point of view then i wud say there wud be other gods for the planets. The word 'Universe' did not exist until the 100's A.D.
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -0/+0What about this? Prepare for future.Can you dig it too ? Thx.
http://digg.com/people/My_Extraterrestrial_Passpor ... - inactive, on 06/15/2009, -4/+4BOO-FVCKIN'-HOO!
Wow you Christians are so persecuted aren't you?
You're just the weak little kids cowering at the feet of the big bad Atheists from the way you talk.
I don't know if you just got back from your space trip, But you know what? Christians have taxless insane asylums on just about every corner of America preaching death and destruction to millions of people on as many corners as possible re-affirming their superstitious beliefs of disturbing stories of hell and damnation and devils and eternal suffering and ramming them down the throats of unsuspecting children.
Believe whatever you like, but if you want me to believe it then provide evidence or expect mockery and ridicule. Do not expect polite debate. Religion has been given too much liberty to murder and enslave humans while hidden in the garb of "Faith". It and whoever believes it does not deserve to pick the fecal matter from my ass. Politeness is out the door by far by now.
I don't give a damn what brand of ***** anyone believes until those beliefs begin to turn into laws and campaign platforms, you've overstepped the boundry separating church from state.
Thats what happening in this country. Don't expect politeness, Nutbars.
It is a chilling fact that most of the world's leaders believe in nonsensical fairytales about the nature of reality. They believe in Gods that do not exist, and religions that could not possibly be true. We are driven to war after war, violence on top of violence to appease madmen who believe in gory mythologies.These men are called Christians, Muslims and Jews. - inactive, on 06/14/2009, -0/+0You are confusing it with Daily Mail.
- sharingcurl, on 06/15/2009, -1/+0http://digg.com/environment/***** << Nuff said
- subliminalurge, on 06/16/2009, -2/+1"if god built other planets then why doesnt it say it in the bible"
It does.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Without taking one side or the other on the whole "Does God exist" debate, I think it's pretty clear that the bible says exactly that. "The heavens" refers to what we today call the "universe". That statement says that God created everything that exists anywhere.
You should probably refrain from trying to pass yourself off as an expert on what the bible does or doesn't say, since you clearly haven't even read the FIRST FREAKIN' SENTENCE IN THE BOOK! - SarcasticGenius, on 06/15/2009, -3/+2This isn't a religious article. Keep your Christian bashing out of it. Go to a religious forum to spew your hate.
- Leviathan433, on 06/16/2009, -2/+1I actually agree with SarcasticGenius - he has every right to express his indignation over the constant posting of religious bashers in science forums.
Just as much of a right as the bashers have to bash. This is an open forum.
I don't like the bashers - so I block them, just as he can. I also don't like SarcasticGenius - So I am blocking him too. -
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