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- Gryfft, on 10/12/2007, -9/+75Silly science. All the stars are less than 6,000 years old.
- Nerfdude, on 10/12/2007, -10/+75you got that right. jesus made the stars, but i'll tell you one thing he didn't make: the gays.
also abortion - smoothmedia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+56Who's to say that the beginning of the universe is the "dawn of time"? There was a completely other universe that existed before this one, and in that one I had a girlfriend.
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28meh, this one has a better title.
- harvinator24, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Ironically im procrastinating from study for my astronomy final right now.
- Lnomis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19He's not bashing religion, exactly, he's bashing people who oppose all scientific evidence because they're so inflexible in their beliefs.
- abanana, on 10/12/2007, -10/+25The Earth and therefore the universe was created in September of 4004 B.C.
Buried as inaccurate - howzitgoin88, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15Oldest Star Found: Joan Rivers. She looks good for 13.2 Billion...
- ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20Don't worry Lord, I know you are only testing my faith.
- Tankslap, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Bummers, she's pretty old now.
- heavymusic, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15This story cannot possibly be true 'cause George Bush said the other day that the oldest star was Bob Hope who died a couple of years ago at 102.
- chingy1788, on 10/12/2007, -5/+146000 years old on planet X
which takes about a million Earth years to orbit its star - codmate, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Most galaxies dance around each other in groups known as 'galactic clusters'.
In sped-up motion it would look rather like a swarm of bees.
There are also 'galactic super-clusters', which are groups of galactic clusters.
We are part of a small cluster known as the 'Local Group'.
It consists of The Galaxy (sometimes called the Milky Way), Andromeda, the Large Magellenic Cloud and several others.
It is generally clusters of galaxies that are seen to be moving away from each other, leading us to the idea that the universe is expanding.
The matter in an individual galaxy is said to be held in place by a combination of dark matter towards the edge of the galaxy, and a super-massive black hole towards the center of the galaxy. - mamluk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Thanks for pointing that out, I went and buried that story as a duplicate. :)
- obrysii, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8@Burkay
So Pope John Paul II followed neither the bible nor the Church? That's weird. He did, after all, agree that evolution is real. And he stated that Genesis was a metaphor, not literal. - Lnomis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I'm (nominally) a Christian, and I didn't feel like he was making fun of me. I believe "fundamentalist Christian" is the term you're looking for.
- makido, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6"If this is true then calculations show that it would greatly reduce the time it takes for starlight to reach Earth."
Reduce? It would increase the time. If I rolled a ball to you over a flat surface, and then rolled it to you over a depression or a hill, it would take longer for the ball going over the hill or into the depression. Astronomers take this into consideration, though. Gravitational lensing and other relativistic phenomena are pretty well-understood.
"On another note, isn't it interesting that the deeper in space we look, we still find stars and galaxies that are fully formed, which contradicts the Big Bang Theory?"
What does "fully-formed" mean? There are several different types of galaxies, including elliptical (which just look like big blobs of stars), spiral, barred spiral, and others. Somehow I don't think you know what you're talking about. - codmate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Spectroscopy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectroscopy - derkaas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@raid517
The typical explanation that I've heard from so-called young earth creationists is that the speed of light has changed, despite the fact that the bible itself clearly states that the laws of nature are fixed (see Jeremiah 33:25 for example). Disclaimer: I am a Christian, and it dumbfounds and saddens me that some continue to assent to positions that are both scientifically and biblically untenable. - CDRutledge, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@ TubaTechno,
I have no idea what you are talking about, but to clear it up they use geometry not carbon dating to measure the distance to a star. Really, just take a moment and think about this; The star in the article is 13.2 billion light years away, which would mean that has taken 13.2 billion years for that light to reach us, which would mean that star produced that light 13.2 billion years ago.
Science isn't magic, and it certainly isn't "best guesses." - x0nIMIn0x, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Galaxies do not necessarily hurl away from each other.
At the center of many galaxies is a super-massive black-hole. These insanely dense, singular points of mass are in complicated orbits around each other, and, it is theorized, sometimes they collide and collapse into each other to form even larger concentrations of mass.
It is possible that this mechanic is a suitable away to imagine the eventual future of our universe, ultimately inhabited by a sole point of nearly infinite density. Sound familiar? - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Actually I was just quoting something from south park, but understandably it doesn't carry over to written text too well...
However, the problems you have are
1) weak mindedness: being cast into belief systems without learning, only because there are sides to a debate and you are influenced easily by other opinons to join a particular side.
2) anti-social behavior: labeling all christians as evil people, if in real life you met some, you'd change that... that is IF you meet people
And don't be silly, my ipod is powered by all the souls that the evil Xenu's soul capturers didn't grab, duh. - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Galaxies are clumps of matter that clumped together due to gravity, they hurl away from eachother due to the big bang.
http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/IUP/Big_Bang_Primer.html - ubuwalker31, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@purpledrink (#6632309) said: "You think you know all the answers? Huh? Miiister Scientist."
I like to ask religious people, if you don't believe in science & the scientific method, how do you explain how your ipod works? - makido, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Light is made up of different wavelengths, which our eyes see as the different colors. From measurements on earth, we know that each element has a specific spectral pattern (i.e. specific wavelengths). We can test these spectral patterns by exciting atomic elements (so that they produce light), and then diffracting the light so that the different wavelengths separate out. We can then measure those wavelengths. That's how we figure out the composition of different stars, how hot they are, etcetera.
- Error601, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9Always one moron to make the exact same 6,000 year old post. The dumb ***** that make any science story on a web site like this lame.
- ultimate_ed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That's impressive that an active star can get that old.
You can just see the next trend, instead of botox, all the aging starlets are going to start having europium, osmium, and iridium injected under their skins. - obrysii, on 10/11/2007, -10/+12Seriously, why does every science-related article turn into a way for people to bash religion?
People: GET OVER IT! Most Christians believe in evolution! Most Christians believe the universe is 13.7 billion years old! - davidave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2how exactly can they analyze the spectrum of elements from the stars? how do they isolate light coming from the stars? i am very curious to find out.
- TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Kind of like how they found a really old tree and at that time thought it to be the oldest....then several years later found an older one.
We're discovering something new everyday so it wouldn't surprise me. - warriormonk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"Suck it, creationists!"
Wow, did you think of that all by yourself? This is why it's impossible to engage in an intelligent debate when your opponent argues like a 5-year-old. Why don't you join the debate team at school and learn some skills? - experimentalist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2
Facts? Pfft.. You can prove anything with "Facts". :) - GoatMonkey2112, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Ultimately everything came from somewhere. Where are the things that are infinity years old? Did we just not find them yet?
- Qliphah, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2In fact every thing is "infinitely" old. Atoms are eternal bits that only change their states as time passes. We are all comprised of star matter is a common known fact. Also just because someone says the universe is 13.7b years old doesn't make it fact. The "universe" is infinite as is time. As both are just human logic at work trying to describe something we currently have no way of understanding fully.
- 666dorado, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5those which are locked in constant rotation around stars are commonly referred to as GROUPIES.
- geronimo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It is based on the scientific method, using thousands of observations which agree with calculations and models. This is not 'faith' in science, your cheating on tests aside.
- obrysii, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3And these super clusters are currently orbiting what is known as the "Great Attractor"
- Firehed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Don't galaxies just rotate in place?
If you don't subscribe to the idea that the entire contents of the universe is falling at galactic terminal velocity into the ever-expanded bottom of nothingness all at the same rate so it appears that everything is floating... - abcdefghij, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1spaying and neutering your pets can slow-down the aging process..
- websitewill, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1That star had better be walking barefoot, uphill, in the snow, both ways, on its way to school or I'm gonna be really mad at my grandpa.
- TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"i've always believed there wasn't a start to the universe, it's just always been here and always will be and only life has a start and an end."
So matter has always existed and will forever exist? - MadMaxx426, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4I created the universe.
It's actually only about 3 Maxxian days old, which is about 14 billion years or so, give or take a few.
I'll be turning water into Hawaiian punch today at the 11am show, stick around! It's going to be faaaaaantastic! - Calann, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"Facts? Pfft.. You can prove anything with "Facts". :)"
Spoken like a true believer in fantasy. - Lnomis, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5...and the great attractor is in orbit around Rosie O'Donnell
- obrysii, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They can also do this for planets, too. They've successfully measured the elements of a supergiant planet.
- TubaTechno, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2"I like to ask religious people, if you don't believe in science & the scientific method, how do you explain how your ipod works?"
Thats a common misrepresentation of ALL religious people. This just shows your ignorant and blatant contempt against these people.
Religious people do not deny "the scientific method". You're talking about fundamentalist Christians. Way to overgeneralize. Do you need to take a logic class? - MrKite, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"Who's to say that the beginning of the universe is the "dawn of time"? There was a completely other universe that existed before this one, and in that one I had a girlfriend."
And that's not to mention all the other universes that exist in parallel. - burkay, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Glowing celebrities! Gotta love that.
- jm9206755, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1There is no such thing as an exact science. Read Hume. We just have to be content with our models becoming ever more precise. A true scientist will never say they "proved" anything.
- manbear, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Bob Barker is already doing that.
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