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- howtogeek, on 10/11/2007, -20/+80How can a forum not have RSS support in 2007?
- inactive, on 10/24/2007, -15/+55Thing is, phpBB3 is just another PHP forum that doesn't address any of the horrendous problems with existing software. Usergroup and permission management is still insanely complicated and there are no really intuitive features that draw me to it at all. It's time for a free, reliable, easy to use forum software that has some cool Ajax features built in and doesn't overcomplicate things. Sadly phpBB still hasn't achieved that in my eyes. (Now this is the part where the fanboys digg me down, not because I don't have a valid point, just because they think I don't appreciate what the phpBB team are doing)
- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -2/+41Look. This attitude about free software absolutely stinks. People can't complain about security because it's free? People can't criticise it because it's free? With that attitude, free software won't get much further than it has.
- t1m1, on 10/11/2007, -47/+79@howtogeek:
RSS is overhyped in my opinion.
Or am I the only one who never actually used it? - martinnn, on 10/11/2007, -5/+25I don't consider myself to be a PHP expert - I spend most of my days coding (open source) C++ software so I may come out as ignorant now. But I've been using phpBB2 for a couple of years, and now I'm a bit sad when I see that the code quality in phpBB3 doesn't appear to be much improved since v2. Because of this, I'm pretty sure that it will turn out to be as buggy and exploitable as previous versions.
Take posting.php for exampe.
- This file is over 1400 lines long. It consists of 2 functions and the remaining code in global scope (not sure if that's the right name). The basic rule that functions should be kept short apparently isn't followed. Very hard to get an overview as a developer.
- Some of the if()-sections in the code is just ridiculously long. Posting.php contains one "if" which starts on line 550 and continues until line 972. That's over 440 lines. If you are writing code in the middle of such a scope, it's likely that you won't have a complete picture of what you're doing.
- In some parts of the code, there is nested "if"'s up to 6 levels. (bad coding practice to have more than 2-3 levels)
- Many lines in the source code contains over 200 characters. (hard to get overview since you probably need to scroll horizontally to be able to see what's going on)
- Most of the comments in the source code describes "what" the source code does instead of describing "why" it does it. (Ex: // Handle bump mode... if ($mode == 'bump')). This types of comments are often created when a developer feels that he should add comment, but doesn't have the time to do it properly.
Sure, these kinds of things doesn't automatically mean that the code is buggy. But it do most likely mean that it's hard to maintain, and code which is hard to maintain leads to bugs or long development time, unless the coders are godlike. Which few are. - blackjack75, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20"RSS is overhyped in my opinion.Or am I the only one who never actually used it?"
You might not like it but it's very useful. Especially if you want to watch for new answers on a forum without having to register your e-mail. That's especially true for a forum you only read once and don't frequent regularly. - Marshalrusty, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26Blu3b3rryYumYum: No thanks. I'll digg you down because you're an idiot.
- twister17e, on 10/11/2007, -3/+21Congrats to Acid and all the phpbb team members for finally getting this out the door.
- z00k, on 10/11/2007, -12/+27*Waits for remote command execution exploit to hit this version*
It will happen again, It has almost happened with every version of phpBB ever made =/ - iDiggIt42, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19@coasters2k (#6782733)
Lack of development?
http://area51.phpbb.com/statcvs/ looks like they're developing to me. - brianez21, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16Guys, block Homie22 he's a spammer
- tizz66, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15I'm particularly biased, but I think phpBB3 is way behind the times now.
- ArthurSucks, on 10/11/2007, -7/+17OUCH!
- AJRiddle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10"lack of design innovation"
phpBB2 had one of the most innovating designs ever for a forum script. Sure it might not look great now but at release it was, especially since it was widely copied by vB and IPB. How can you tell me that the new theme for phpBB3 is not innovating, especially when compared to vB and IPB. Check out the theme here http://area51.phpbb.com/phpBB/ - dd1079, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Was about time. :D
- Kanuck, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12I've never used it either. I've never found visiting the actual website to be all that inconvenient—I was always kind of under the impression that's why they existed. Besides, RSS is simple to implement with phpBB. Just create a template that spits out XML files to taste and you're done.
Congratulations to the team on finally moving this behemoth out the door. I was on the team back in 2002 when 2.0 was released, and I remember how great that felt—and that was only after, like, a year and a bit of development. Five years is a long time, and most projects might have sputtered and died going that long without a major release. Good job keeping it going, and best of luck! - CregDouglas, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12The team that wrote phpBB3 is not the same team that wrote phpBB2, I think security will be much better.
- acidhash, on 10/11/2007, -7/+15Good, now phpBB is only five years behind.
- DWRZ, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13It's...it's...beautiful.
- antoniuk, on 10/11/2007, -12/+19Lets see... arrogant developers, huge amount of security flaws, lack of design innovation... I would say that about sums my experience with running phpbb boards. Vbulletin or Invision Power Board are much better alternatives. I mean it is great that this is free and allows people to get their feet wet without an investment but you really get what you pay for here.
- Alegis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Whoa, was waiting long time for this. Even checked phpBB earlier today. Definitely giving it a swing tonight
- Psykus2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Yes, blocking will have the additional effect of reporting a spammer, if someone is blocked enough times, Digg admins take notice, and the ban hammer comes down, if they're actually spamming of course.
- DanaK, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10I've moved over to coldfusion so I don't get to php much anymore but I'm glad these guys finally got the 800lb gorilla out of the room after 3 yrs, and maybe they can start a regular development cycle again.
anyhow, what I was saying before was I don't get the hate. The product is free. Someone said how they would gladly shell out the $30 for VB....well..... its not like that money made it any more secure lol
VB vulnerabilities
http://secunia.com/advisories/16873/
Yabb has a ton but doesn't matter as much anymore.
PunBB has some of the most basic flaws you can have, simple SQL injection works.
http://secunia.com/search/?search=punbb
SMF has a fair sized list as well
again I /shrug - DanaK, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10name a bb and we can bring up a list of flaws, difference being these guys don't get paid for their time. The fanboys of all the other ones should chill. This release has been a long time coming and went through several developer changes. AJAX wasn't even a buzz word when they started developing it. If you don't like it, don't use it /shrug. 99% of you couldn't do on par, let alone better anyhow.
- FinalDragoon06, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6You make a very good point, DanaK.
They all have their security problems, and a good example of a release that fixes them properly (and just to show that it's possible in phpBB land as well!) is IPB. We all know they had their share, but since they released their 2.2.x series, there has only been one "possible" XSS exploit, and has been rock solid otherwise. Link: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?s=0bee39824755a657b0af1b465dded244&showtopic=234377
So, like I said, give phpBB 3 a chance, security wise, since it IS possible to come out with little to no issues - extratired, on 10/11/2007, -16/+21it's the internet explorer of forum scripts.
- dognose, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Dude, the story link is running phpbb. It sorta looks more like a blog now, but still, look at their site.
- EXreaction, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5phpBB3 does not natively support RSS because it really wasn't used at all before it was feature locked.
However; 3.2 will support RSS/ATOM IIRC. It should not take more than a year or so after 3.0 for them to get done with 3.2 (since it is not a complete re-write, they will just be adding features).
RSS Mod for phpBB3:
http://startrekguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=1350 - DanaK, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4phpbbv3 has the major spiders built into it and treats things differently when they browse it ...... to make it SEO friendly. Again its a matter of someone spouting off without even reading the docs or taking a look at it..... or did you think someone registered the nick googlebot and the user group that was associated with it. sheesh.
- jjb123, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6@t1m1
Every listen to diggnation or other podcast? There a lot of uses for RSS and XML that you never really notice because there is no direct involvement. - wshs, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7Let's look at qmail. It sucks, I know. However, it's widely used, free, kinda open source, and has zero known exploits in the past 5+ years, though some people's definition of exploit is extremely broad. So, obviously, free software can be exploit free. The cost of a product does not change the ineptness of its coders.
- hondaman, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Been waiting for v3 for a while, glad its finally about to see the light of day. After reading everyones comments, I found "x years behind" a common theme here.
Behind what?
What is phpbb3 missing that every single other forum software has? Because forum software "A" has a feature that phpbb3 doesnt have, makes it irrelevant or behind? Please help me understand, because quite frankly your "omg 5 years behind" is useless, weightless banter. - DanaK, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5@blakespot
yeah you are using movabletype and meebo, not like they have similar problems lol.
http://secunia.com/search/?search=movable+type - EXreaction, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3In some areas, yes, it has less bloat than other forum software. :D
But remember that it was feature locked about 5 years ago. ;)
But the permissions system is absolutely beautiful (though it still is missing a few items) compared to other BB software I have used. - theWaterboy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5very cool -- awesome, in fact!
- Ryosen, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6@Coasters2k
I seem to be having a little difficulty finding your name among the list of volunteers for phpBB's development. Did I miss it or were you just being an ungrateful whiny bitch?
Development of software takes time, especially when it's done on a volunteer basis. Either pitch in, donate, or STFU. - martinnn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2psylence,
I know that some of my comments was basic programming recommendations. But what I considered to be of interest to others was that these basic recommendations isn't followed in the phpBB source code. This may give an indication of the code maturity to people who doesn't know how to write code. (I'm assuming all people on digg aren't developers.)
And no, I'm not going to report a bug that the code isn't well written. The low code quality is not a bug, and it's not a problem which needs to be fixed only once. Code quality has to do with the mind of the involved developers. If the developers doesn't care about following programming 101, reporting a bug will make no difference in the long term. - FinalDragoon06, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3In no particular order:
-And not to be rude, but most if not all sites have the name of the forum/site in the page title (just look at the tittle in this page "Digg - phpBB3...") Viewtopic is useless, sure. that I can agree with.
- SEO is overrated*, honestly. I don't care if it's clean, I just care about what is on the page!
- well, again, overrated*, but I can agree with you on the H1 thing
*My opinion - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Is there any way to upgrade from the beta to RC1 while retaining posts and members? It says no, but I don't see why.
- yutt, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6I need a conversion script from SMF to PHPBB. :P
- DanaK, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@frobot - this is an RC1, which is one of the last critical times to find errors and bugs to patch them up before the gold is released and they move into the maintenance phase of the lifecycle.
@blackjack75 - yeah punBB isn't bad but it has some serious fundamental security problems atm =
@hondaman - The phpbb team takes a different approach, its hard to say. Take a calendar for instance, disagree or agree they do not want to integrate a calendar. They've always been of the thought process it should be as light-weight as possible for the general public then mod to your hearts content. I know the big lacking feature is Ajax, but as I said it wasn't the buzz word is it today when they started this project half a team and 3 or whatever years ago. I'd bet Ajax will be on the next point release, but given their time track record I dunno... I woulnd't like to guess on that date heh. - Gman1223, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Little late to reply now, but meh.
"5 years for this? But its open source so fix it yourself or STFU, huh? No thanks *****, I'll take option number 3: VBulletin."
5 Years for this? Yup, but it wasn't from laziness, read this quote:
"It would have been provided the phpBB teams didn't go through some pretty detrimental hardships. I won't go into detail and will leave it at that... Not to mention psoTFX leaving the team right in the middle of development, and several unexpected turns that needed to be made. For example, when phpBB 2.2 was renumbered 3.0, the decision was made for a variety of factors, namely because the sourcecode had become completely incompatible with 2.0.x. Because of this, the developers had the liberty to do several things with 3.0 which couldn't have been done before.
Basically, 3.0 right now is what 3.0 was promised to have been back when we thought 2.2 was coming out. It's literally gone through two development cycles.
- Adam"
VB isn't all its cracked up to be, sure its great if you want a site that dies when theres more then five users online, or you want 500 or so features that you will never use. phpBB3 was not made to have every feature including the kitchen sink in the main package, its classified as "light" forum software.
All the features that come with V3 were carefully chosen, to prevent bloating "unlike VB" if theres a feature that you need, you can almost certainly find it for free in their mod DB, as of may 23rd, there is 65 mods in dev for phpbb3.
"The small price is worth not having to deal with ***** like that."
What do you mean by dick heads? as in support? the only time I've ever seen the support people over at phpbb.com act like ***** is when someone does something really dumb, like not reading the forum rules.
"The new phpBB website is a complete ***** *****-show BTW. PhpBB3 in action I'm guessing."
You're guessing? As in you can't tell? So, that means you've never tried V3, yet you're judging it, why don't you go and try it first, and then tell people what you think of it. You might come off a little bit smarter then you sound now.
Gman1223. - Floris, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2vBulletin owned license is $160, not $125.
- HighwayofLife, on 10/11/2007, -7/+8Great job guys! ... the community has waited a long time for this moment.
- sketchthat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1http://duggmirror.com/software/phpBB3_Release_Candidate_1_RC1_released/
- Tarnum, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4There are some problems that will prevent ver. 3 adoption, at least in forseeable future:
1st, the phpBB2 templates can't be reused or converted, you have to code them again.
2nd, there is no template SDK or Photoshop file with the images? Do we have to decode the SubSilver template and GIFs again?
3rd, the language translations should start from scratch. Most of the messages are the same, but there is no way to use or convert the phpBB 2 translation files.
4 - Is it so hard to have some Zend compatibility please? - Atomic1fire, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1its free not because the coders needed something that was crappy cheap and easy to distribute
but apparently they more then likely love doing it
like making a fancy car on your spare time
and you made it awesome and were not payed for it - JSchwage, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Finally! I've been waiting a whole freakin' year for at least the RC to be released.
- psylence, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2So did the developers: http://area51.phpbb.com/phpBB/
- Hootyea, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Zend isn't open source.
Plus, have you looked at Zend's API? They need you to IonCube stuff, ridiculous. -
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