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- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -9/+67"search is pathetic."
Was he talking about trying to use the search function on XP? - millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -7/+51"If I ask for something, I should get it, not a list of things to click on..."
Try the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button - Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -21/+62> You gotta admin, Gates always has had vision.
Vision? How much vision does it take to say: "Um, you know this thing we have now? Well in the future it will be way, way better!"?
Reported as Stating the Bleedin' Obvious. - Poddo, on 10/12/2007, -21/+59"If I ask for something, I should get it"
It's called Google Firefox. I type Digg into the address bar, I go to digg.com. I type Casino Royale Trailer, It takes me right there. The future is now, Billy Boy.... - dasil003, on 10/12/2007, -19/+50You gotta admin, Gates always has had vision. The problem is that he doesn't have the management skills to make it happen. I mean, how the hell is MS gonna outdo Google if they can't even get WinFS to work? No, all the technology Bill Gates predicts will come true, it just won't be Microsoft that creates it.
- xanthin, on 10/12/2007, -10/+41Interesting, but for now, google and search are in the lead.
- Saintlink, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32Microsoft has been talking tough for a few months now about how they are going to take back search, but their actual product offerings are lacking. It just sounds like hype to get investors back on track for justifying the billions they are spending to keep up (or to try and catch) Google.
Bill: Nice spin effort, please try again. - jarcoal, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33i'm always blown away at how accurate google is, can't imagine it getting much better. i wouldn't even want something other than a list, choice is good.
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31He said the same thing about the iPod, when asking a bunch a kids in a classroom if they had an iPod, and when the put up their hands he turned the thing around to trivialise it. He made it sound like any other mp3 player, like Microsoft had a better idea. iPod/mp3 > apple, search > google. They are the best at what they do. Give up and come up with your own original ideas Bill, if you have any. And leave the other things that companies have already found great solutions to alone. The trouble with living in the future is you never live in the present, you never see that people are actually happy with Google. You had your time to rule the world now pass on the baton ;)
- Kolar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25"I agree, but Microsoft has the resources."
Resources mean nothing, they've failed to produce anything while google and others continue to come up with good and USEFUL (not to mention sometimes free) applications, google calendar is a good example. They're dealing with piracy like the RIAA and MPAA by employing tactics that hurt and sometimes criminalize the end consumer and small businesses. They have made big off of the consumers nativity and through monopolies to create the biggest software company in the world, the most used operating system but fail to input the time/money into making it secure enough and leave those pirates out in the cold to be scooped up by bot networks (without buying some other 500$ piece of *****, even then..).
Microsoft is empowered and fueled by stupidity, both internal and external. I think they should stick to attempting to make new operating systems and stop trying to compet... sorry "keep google honest". - deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -14/+28"You gotta admin, Gates always has had vision."
Too bad it's been wrong most of the time. - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18"You gotta admin, Gates always has had vision."
Except for that whole "the Internet is just a nerd playground and always will be" thing. Oh, and thinking Bob was a good idea. - jbus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Microsoft's new search technology... You get just one search result, but don't worry that one result is verified and approved by Microsoft, so all is well ;)
- jakeweston, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15"can't imagine it getting much better": Luckily innovation is left to people less content with current technology.
Google is amazing, but I could easily imagine it being a lot better... - honging, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Digg me down, I don't care, but the ignorance level in the comments is astounding. Forget for a second who said that quote and put aside your anti-Microsoft sentiments, cause what Gates is saying is profound. What he's basically saying is that search, as it stands, is not as good of a tool anymore and that this not the final iteration of search on the web.
I'm willing to bet that most of you are locked in to the same type of sites - you'll automatically go to Wikipedia for references, Songmeanings for lyrics, Digg for interesting articles; most of us have gravitated away from simply seaching Google whenever we need something because we build trusted sources for specific information.
Gates is simply talking about the next iteration of search on the web which will use trusted sources to "push" things up instead of the anonymous way we're doing it now.
What do you think Digg is? Digg personifies this idea more than anything - for Digg, we trust the user base at Digg to push interesting items top the top. It's the same concept with delicious. Yahoo!'s started investing a lot into "social searches," and this is precisely what Gates is talking about. - Ziferius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I think Microsoft should try and get their "search" on the MSDN and Technet halfway descent before they move on to the intarweb. Holy crap.. it's so much easier to go to google to find work arounds and fixes for bugs and patches than to go to Microsoft.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23are you freaking kidding me??
Jobs is only "nicer" than Gates b/c he's at the bottom of the totem pole. Jobs would be just as horrible if not more so. Jobs is on board with the TCPA, Jobs loves DRM, Jobs loves stealing from Open Source and giving nothing back in return (you see.. it's stealing when you use it, profit, and don't help out in kind IMO).
Jobs is an idiot. I love my Mac. I do, and i love OS X with a passion, but gimme a break. You're looking at a man who thinks he can "sell culture" b/c he took acid one time.
You're not your ***** iPod. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13and if you use firefox you can just type a term into the address bar and it will take you to the most likely website according to google. (i couldn't live without this)
of course, you can't do that with IE. - jarcoal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10i don't like the idea of google taking content away from the web or originating pages. if you type "who is in the 'last supper' painting?" i would rather have google hand over some links than give me the content right there. otherwise we might as well stop building new sites with new content and just wait for the entire web to be google.
it's definitely a good idea to be adding utilities (like the stock quote or calc app in the search), but leave the real content creation/addition to the people. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16If you can't imagine google being much better, you have a severe creative deficit.
- Nanobe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9How about improving the Google Q&A feature? If I type, "who is in the 'last supper' painting?", it should give me a list of names. How about an inline translation tool, so I can type "castle in spanish" and it gives me the translation? There are plenty of ways Google could be improved. Luckily, the company is set up in such a way that it is relatively easy for these kinds of innovations to come about. Microsoft is still rather big and clumsy (although it seems that they are working very hard to change that now).
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"I agree, but microsoft has the resources."
All the money in the world isn't going to help a company that's clueless. Google is popular because it just *works*, and the ads are unobtrusive. All Microsoft or anyone else needs to do is get a focus group together and ask them why they prefer Google. Hell, they probably have done this, but apparently they aren't listening. - thedevilyouknow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Bill just wants the info we read to come from his company. Looking for anything, he'll make sure you can find it. But you won't be able to find anything else.
I wonder why the huge hate on for Google lately... Is it because they're the best? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Trusted Sources he says?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UtU_AiE-nu0
http://www.againsttcpa.com/
That's what i have to say about that. - jarcoal, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11ok i can imagine it getting better, but i will say that 99.9% of the time it finds EXACTLY what i want, hard to ask for much more than that.
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The only thing this tells me is that Billy Bob doesn't understand how searching works. Most of the time when I search, having multiple results is a good thing, not a bad thing. How is anyone ever going to be able to figure out an algorythm to give me exactly what I want every single time? It's not possible and unless it was absolutely perfect it wouldn't be worth it. Even if I got a perfect hit 99% of the time I'd be really annoyed at that 1% if I didn't have other listings to choose from.
- cesclaveria, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7do you realize the quote you are referring to is under "Wrongly Attributed"?
- ConceptJunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Gates lost whatever vision he had years ago (which was mostly a business vision, not a technology vision), and these days he has no concept of reality (if he ever did) and has become a caricature of himself, spouting imperial decrees that say (and mean) absolutely nothing. Has he said _anything_ relevant or meaningful in the last 5 years? He keeps making vague promises about all the incredible things MS will do, like recommit themselves to security (6 years ago), eliminate spam in 2 years (>2 years ago), and now he's making vague meaningless promises about beating Google at searching. There are never any details, and by time these pronouncements should come true, most people have forgotten them.
Face it, his company can't even get the new version of its operating system out in 5 years even after taking out everything that makes it even remotely interesting. Microsoft has been riding momentum for about 5 years ago, and momentum only lasts for so long. They have nothing new to offer, no real innovations, only incremental improvements (if that). I personally think the company is starting to implode. They can't finish anything and almost no one cares if they do. Unless they can get some real innovation (even if it means buying it, as usual) they will continue to erode. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm on INTERNET 4, but I'm an early adopter.
- wmbattsjr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Just another item in a growing list of predictions made by Mr. Gates that will never see fruition (if he really said it).
- sirplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5that's just deep.
- Raznog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5HAHAAHAHA oh yes if i want an upgrade i go to google and type it in not to microsoft =D hehehe so true
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Yeah, its called the "Get lucky" option in google. You ask for something, you get it. The internet is not any more capable of producing High quality answers for your questions, there's a few billion "shady" websites that people succumb too. Gate's is looking wayyyy to far into the future. WAYYYYYYYYY to far.
- mntpng, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Trusted sources? You mean like if I type "Linux", Microsoft will simply take me to their knowlege base page on how to uninstall it? What if I type "antitrust lawsuit"? What are the chances that Microsoft is trustworthy enough to take me to Microsoft's antitrust case as it should? In case you're wondering, Google's top three results are about Microsoft.
It's bizarre how Microsofties including Bill and Steve tends to throw around words like innovation and trust but when you look at their past, neither of them really comes to my mind. Not even close. Bill should look up the definition of those two words and get in sync with the rest of the world on what those words actually mean and use them accordingly. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Two failures dont make a success.
- faulkner, on 10/12/2007, -19/+24he must have accidentally bought the Sour edition of M$ Grapes.
- thegsa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The Idea of Internet2 Is Begining to Sound Like 1984, IMO.
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6i dunno about you guys, but i dont want "trusted sites". Why the hell would you want MS/google/yahoo to send you to "trusted sites"? Trusted sites will be no different than what we have now, companies paying the search engines to list their sites on the top of the list. Except now you wont even have a list anymore, you just get sent straight to a big corps website whenever you search for anything.
And dont accuse me of being a google fanboy. I certainly dont think current search engines are perfect, but i dont think gates has the right idea either. - thegsa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"It’s great for where it is, but it will get so much better. Right now, there’s no way to qualify results by authority, by trusted sources. Sources I trust, that is."
Well...I Don't Trust Microsoft. - samdu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Search will never be perfect. There's simply no way to enter anything into a search engine and have the server know exactly which piece of content that contains your search criteria you want. If there is more than one result, then a good search engine will return both of those results. If you know what you're looking for to such an exact degree that a search engine would be able to determine that, you probably don't need the search engine in the middle. Gates' "dream" of being able to input "Pizza" into a search engine and getting the pizza parlor around the corner instead of pizza recipes and hits regarding the history of pizza, etc... is a fantasy that'll never be realized. He should know that in order to get good data back, you need to put good data in. You wouldn't expect to be able to put a string of numbers into Excel and have the program know that you want to multiply them automatically. You have to tell the program what you want to do with the numbers. Same with search.
As it stands, if you know how to search, you usually get decent results from Google. - rowanjl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I would hardly call Google "small and tiny"...
- drewhamlin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The keyboard is dumb. Computers should just read your mind.
........ - ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Also, to expand my last comment further, read the following quote carefully.
"Right now, there’s no way to qualify results by authority, by trusted sources. Sources I trust, that is."
In the second sentence, the "I" refers to the user, of course. Gates is not saying that the search engine is the trusted source should tell everyone where to go. Users will have their own trusted sources which will help sort relevant information to the top of the search results.
From there, it is not a far stretch to bring up the topic of social searching. Taking all this into account, you see why your last comment is not relevant to this particular message thread (or the entire comment page, really). - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'll tell you what, you go out and tag all the web pages and we'll see how that works out.
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If anybody gave a crap about MSN Search, all of the sudden I'm sure search would be quite important to him.
- Amplix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You know what's pathetic? Walking, who needs things to step on? I want to go somewhere I should just appear there, you know, driving is pathetic too...
- ElJefeGrande, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You've never heard of indexing, have you. I am so tired of people hating Microsoft just to hate Microsoft (or liking Apple just to like Apple). This article was about searching the Internet, and some how people are starting to talk about how XP can't search a hard drive (which it can do well...if you turn on indexing (also, not a hard thing to do)) and then end their comments with crap like "Windows XP just plain sucks". I don't recall this article being about XP.
> "I search for a file on my Mac and, in about 3 seconds, I have it."
No one brought up the fact that Apple in all its wisdom and glory, doesn't have an app that can search the Internet in 3 seconds (like it can search your hard drive) and find just what you want. But nooo, don't wrap on the mighty Apple. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3totally un related, have you even tried to use "msn.com" you cant read an article without " lower my bills" flashing in the middle of it, trying to give me epelisy style seziure. When i see that, it shows me that msn is going down hill
- ianTits, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3uh, that's how the web used to work. you'd put tags in the meta data and Altavista etc would search on it. Left it open to mass abuse, that's why Google overtook them.
- ardellin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Great thoughts drizek, but "social searching" has nothing to do with what you are complaining about. It implies searching based on your friends/peers, and not just going where Google/MS wants you to go.
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