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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Unless you've actually tested Vista I wish you wouldn't comment like that. I run Vista perfectly with a 2.53Ghz processor/ 512MB RAM/ and Intel Extreme Graphics on my test computer. One of the good things of having some features taken from Vista is lowered required hardware. Is Vista the best OS ever? No. Is a step forward? Yes. Vista does have several nice features. I'm looking forward it's official release.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That is not confirmation of a release date, only confirmation of the
point where they will be willing to admit missing their ship target. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7good job abx0r, you retard.
no good features ? ok moron.
drm ? hardly anything more and nothing to worry about.
1. Security – One can never have enough (unless it hampers usability, of course) especially in today’s world of Viruses, Worms, Trojans, Malware, Phishing and SPAM. In Vista, an extra-ordinary focus has been given to security. Improvements around reducing attack surfaces, threat modeling, User account protection (UAP, also known as LUA) – (and much more) have gone into making existing features a lot more secure. But there is a more – new firewall, Windows defender, low-rights IE, enhanced smartcard support for winlogon, Full volume encryption, improved EFS , support for stronger crypto algorithms, support for federated identities using Infocards, new authorization manager (AzMan).
2. User experience – Glass (it looks swell), desktop gadgets and sidebar (for the gadget freaks like me), WMP 11 with a very clean UI and amazing library support, support for auxiliary displays, Media Center (this has to be seen, words don’t do enough justice), etc.
3. Information organization and retrieval - Search (much faster and granular than what MSN and other DS offer), virtual folders, integrated RSS, improve file metadata, etc. Search is critical because it is not just a feature. It is ingrained in the whole Vista shell experience. So its there in the start menu, in control panel, in windows explorer, in IE.
4. Performance - improved network and audio stack. Support for USB device to increase virtual memory (this is a killer feature given the fact that USB 2.0 drives are so cheap)
5. New application platform - Winfx, Avalon, Indigo, Metro (and XPS) - PDC2005 for tons and tons of developer-related info
6. Games – 3D chess looks delicious but again it is the work in the gaming platform that’s more importantly. Xbox 360 will rock the console world (its launching on my birthday, so you guys know what i want as a gift :-) ) but Vista will have a lot in store for gaming on Windows
7. IE7 - if you have got your hands on the CTP builds, you will know how vastly different this is from IE6 – quick tabs, RSS, improved printing, standards support. Check out IE Blog for more.
there is an incredibly simple (and quickly written; author says 15 mins) 'seven reasons why to switch' - not written by myself.
here is another quick list of new things (not detailed):
- new networking stack for performance.
- new audio stack.
- new fonts and readability technology.
- completely new kernel with massive changes.
- new print technology.
- new installer and deployment technology.
- new crypto technology.
- new rss support.
i'm still not covering everything.
go watch the videos on channel9.msdn.com too.
so, if you say there is nothing new, or no reason to buy this, you're an idiot. - Zivko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I guessed August 31st 2007, because that's as far as it would let me go.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Err, most of those security features aren't being ported to XP, only anti- spyware/phishing/malware and onecare is available. It's alot more then 'features' too, they have a completely new approach to how they develop it, code it and the user experience."
OneCare IS most of the security features that are being added to Windows. Windows still will have: a filesystem where executability is determined by an extension instead of an execute flag. Windows will still have ActiveX. Windows will still lack kernel definition for a 'priority task' and a 'userspace task'. These so called "security enhancements" are blue smoke.
"clone everything gui wise ? okay, point out something which is a clone except for the spotlight icon, transparency (is in xp, morons) and flip3d, please do, everyone who says it's ui is a clone has never responded to me when i have said this."
Let's see: "Flip3d" is a direct clone of Apple's elegant Expose, and even more directly a clone of Project Looking Glass, something Sun started years before Apple even got Expose out the door. As for "Glass", it's a clone of earlier concepts already present in Linux. As for 3d compositing workspaces, again, a direct clone of Quartz Extreme.
"where is your proof it requires more power then quartz ?"
Quartz is a 2D graphics compositing engine. Cards older than a decade old support the capabilities required to run Quartz, and runs just fine on Intel Accelerated Graphics as made evident by the OSX86 project.
However, Vista's GUI will require a DirectX 9 capable card, with DirectX 10 being the real number. Vista's UI uses Pixel Shaders. These two things ALONE are the proof you need that Vista requires a much more powerful graphics workhorse.
"vista is scalable, requirements mean nothing."
Requirements mean EVERYTHING. Vista hasn't proven itself to be scalable, and I won't believe it until I see a quad-way or greater configuration of Vista and have benchmarks in hand. Thus, this is FUD.
"it's not a clone, it uses real metadata and is integrated differently. it's not going to be an 'addon.'"
Spotlight uses real metadata (What the hell is Fake metadata anywho?). Microsoft has said themselves that this system already is an add-on, and it is being backported to Windows XP.
"the ipv6 'compliance' is a SMALL PART of the improvement of the network stack, ipv6 doesn't even matter yet and won't for awhile, go watch the c9 video about it. who is calling it an innovation ? those os' don't have an /equivalent/ of superfect and you are are simplifying it incorrectly."
IPv6 will matter soon enough. With every toaster on the planet on the Internet, the IPv4 pool will be too small as to support traffic. NAT is a good way of helping that problem, but is in no way a cure. And I am am not overlooking a technology that they don't even have a single demonstration of yet. Call me back when I have something tangable to look at.
"no, that's incorrect, things like the ui api's will support win xp and previous apps."
No, you are incorrect. Windows Vista has three UI engines. Don't believe it? Go look at the development builds. It's much like Linux in this right. The first would be the CAPI/Win32 which is kept around for compliance. The next is MFC, which is still under heavy use by a ***** of programs. Lastly, WinFX will add a third way to program GUI apps. The three technologies share a widget renderer, but program interfaces are completely incompatible between them. Try programming a Windows app for a change.
"wait, you're suprised dx 10 will be released on xp ? lol."
No I'm not surprised at all. But it does mean that DirectX 10 is a no-sale issue with Vista, as everything else I've said so far has been.
"no advantage ? you miss out on parental controls and protected mode, which will more or less eliminate any mal/spy-ware problem."
FUD. While the kernel's application permissions plugins are a help, they're not a cure to a problem that's already pandemic on windows. Fixing these problems would cause practically every older program that modifies the file system to break, and thus Microsoft cannot afford to do that as of yet. Once an application is running, you will see the added effect, but getting it running will be just as easy as it was in the past, through one of the gaping security holes introduced in all of this code entropy.
"as said before, you're wrong and you should stop focusing on ipv6."
As I said before, you should peak your head on the Internet for a minute and realize how big a change IPv6 actually is.
"oh boy, you deserve this next insult: you're a freaking retard. it's not nt, it's not a new version with new internal changes. the kernel is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to nt, go watch the c9 video."
I'm assuming you have the Vista beta. Take a look at its internals. You'll realize that more than 80% of the DLLs maintain the same name, with nothing more than a version bump. Take a look at the internal APIs with a code profiler/disassembler/any other debugging tool you've got on hand. It's nothing more than the next version of Windows XP with a shiny new UI. I suggest you stop watching Microsoft C9 FUD and start getting your hands dirty with the actual operating system before you tell someone who works with operating systems for a living on what does what.
"no, new things with unattended setups and so on, please do some research, i'm not here to tell you everything and it won't/can't be backported to xp, and compatability isn't an issue, why the hell would installing vista and installing xp cause compatability problems ?"
Sounds like a script to me. Oh wait, I've been writing those for years. Microsoft FUD. And um, installing Vista would cause compatability problems because Vista isn't XP, as you've so graciously tried to explain using high-school freshman logic.
"ok, let's see you manage a piece of software which is used world wide by millions of corporations. also, what's so great (or where is it) about apple/linux's rss support ? application and os support are different."
Ok. Come to work with me for a day. You'll see that even the most mundane tasks of writing printer drivers becomes a serious intra-platform deal, and can affect millions of different computers in different companies in different countries. What's so great about Apple/Linux RSS support? The fact that they have it now and are using it? The fact that Apple has built an infrastructure around RSS for delivering Photos, Video and Audio seemlessly, something that's integrated into other applications quickly because of the use of standards instead of proprietary formats?
Seriously, grow up. There are good things Microsoft is releasing in their operating system (you hardly even mention the fact that Microsoft IS supporting some of the standards that Apple is stepping forward with now, and fail to grasp the specifics on how Microsoft's security mechanisms work). But, for the steep price they're offering it at, with the amount of change that will be neccesary, and since it's still buggier that a novice GTK app, I'd say they've still got a long way to go. And their competitors just upped the bar.
Fanboys seriously erk me. - ricodued, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5tufraist: Oh, come off it. I've run several beta builds, and all of them run perfect on my 2.8Ghz P4 and Radeon 9600 XT.
Most diggers have an equal-ish or better system and will run it no problem.
soulcages01: Halo 2, up until the announced release date, was scheduled to be done, and I quote, "when its done." It's not like Microsoft has released Vista betas or anything...
Theres a product out there, the builds are progressing. That, by definition, is not vaporware. So they missed their release date, big ***** whoop. Things take time, and had it been rushed out the way it was, it would be sixty ***** times worse. - KayMan2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"my opinion is that any software as massive as an OS or a game that comes out on time, was rushed out the door"
The product is already several years late. If Vista is shipped later this year, the product will have been delayed numerous times and many (on the order of tens) features have been removed. - ncdave101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> "Have any of you seen the memory usage of vista. It uses lots. You'll need more."
> You're right. I forgot about that. I think usage was around 544mb. Not
> sure if that was before or after installing needed drivers.
I'm not involved in the previews/betas, but I'm willing to bet that they have plenty of debugging enabled which will naturally consume more memory and cpu time. - e3mw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Can we expect mass shortages in the US and Europe?
Damn I better go reserve my copy... - saysaknow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Remember. All versions will be included. Merry Hacking.
- drawkbox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3my opinion is that any software as massive as an OS or a game that comes out on time, was rushed out the door. Setting a date 11 months in the future is a bad sign. Usually if its a few months then its a real doable tiemframe. Anything over 6 months is an incorrect assumption.
- Lewie, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I installed the latest build (5270) last night. I reinstalled XP about an hour later. There is no way Vista will be done this year. I can't believe it took them however many years to get this broken piece of software this far. Vista is extremely buggy. The OS will not remember configured options (such as the "view" option in windows), and many things just don't work. The most noticable seems to be an issue with AMD64. Vista crippled my 939 3000+@2.16Ghz (6800gt, 1gb ram) to the point where dragging windows was clunky.
Upon XP reinstallation, I found Vista must have lowered my processor multiplier from 9x to 5x. This might have been why it was so slow, but an OS should not be touching my BIOS!!
Besides the plethora of bugs, Vista's menu system is very cluttered. While many things appear to be the same as XP, the changes seem to make things more difficult.
In short, don't even bother. XP is as good as it gets with Microsoft. Hopefully OSX 10.4.4 will be cracked soon. - s1lentslayer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5They've also announced the first virus will be available December 2nd.
- stickyboot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My birthday! Woopty doo!
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41. Security – One can never have enough (unless it hampers usability, of course) especially in today’s world of Viruses, Worms, Trojans, Malware, Phishing and SPAM. In Vista, an extra-ordinary focus has been given to security. Improvements around reducing attack surfaces, threat modeling, User account protection (UAP, also known as LUA) – (and much more) have gone into making existing features a lot more secure. But there is a more – new firewall, Windows defender, low-rights IE, enhanced smartcard support for winlogon, Full volume encryption, improved EFS , support for stronger crypto algorithms, support for federated identities using Infocards, new authorization manager (AzMan).
Yay, improvements that are also backported to Windows XP are going to be found in Vista.
Also, don't you think they should have been doing this, oh, 7 years ago, when Windows 2000 was about to ship? Yeah, so do I.
2. User experience – Glass (it looks swell), desktop gadgets and sidebar (for the gadget freaks like me), WMP 11 with a very clean UI and amazing library support, support for auxiliary displays, Media Center (this has to be seen, words don’t do enough justice), etc.
Hmm, "let's clone everything GUI-wise that went into OS X over the past 5 years and put it in our operating system". Also, because Aero requires a lot more graphical horsepower than Apple's Quartz, it just simply won't run for a great percentage of the computing nation (Don't believe me? Go over to Dell's and Gateway's websites and see what their base shipping machine is: Intel Integrated Graphics.) No, Aero just seems like a way to sell video cards, which I'm sure ATi and Nvidia will love, but it will increase the price of computers over the next few years, and all the sudden people will realize, "Hey, Macs aren't more expensive, they just come with everything that my PC needed in the first place".
3. Information organization and retrieval - Search (much faster and granular than what MSN and other DS offer), virtual folders, integrated RSS, improve file metadata, etc. Search is critical because it is not just a feature. It is ingrained in the whole Vista shell experience. So its there in the start menu, in control panel, in windows explorer, in IE.
"Let's clone Spotlight. Oh, and our Database File System, we're going to remove that from Windows Vista, and make it an addon for Windows 2000 and forward".
4. Performance - improved network and audio stack. Support for USB device to increase virtual memory (this is a killer feature given the fact that USB 2.0 drives are so cheap)
The only thing "improved" about the network stack is full IPv6 compliance. Industry insiders say it was coded completely in-house, but I'm still waiting for the big "gotcha" when they find out NetBSD's IPv6 stack was copied and pasted in. Oh, and this "innovation", years and years old. Apple's had IPv6 since OS X. Linux has had it for ages before that even. The audio stack has been genuinely improved, I do give you that, but you've gotta realize its ABOUT DAMNED TIME. Windows has had more or less the same audio stack since Win2k, 6 years. Linux has gone through roughly 3 (if you count two major versions of ALSA, which I do because damn, rewriting drivers that many times really sucks). Meanwhile OS X has had the joy of application indepentent mixing since.. OS X. Support for USB Virtual Memory? Give me a break, it's simply mounting the USB drive as a hard drive, both Linux and OS X have had that years and years ago, and Windows has had it, but couldn't move its pagefile to a removable device thanks to some programmer's/manager's whim decision.
5. New application platform - Winfx, Avalon, Indigo, Metro (and XPS) - PDC2005 for tons and tons of developer-related info
This can go either way. In one, you now HAVE to migrate your codebase to .Net or you'll simply be left behind. Lots and lots of programmers are resistant to this because they dislike managed code for any number of reasons, and/or it's simply going to be too expensive to do. Of course, they've also left behind the Win32 APIs, which is a good thing, but unlike Carbon (Apple's legacy API), Win32 apps will not see any of the benefits of the new APIs; Microsoft implemented their new technologies in a way that it's either Migrate for the new stuff, or continue using the old. Good for programming jobs, BAD for companies who've had the same code-base since antiquity. Migrating that amount of code could easily take decades..
6. Games – 3D chess looks delicious but again it is the work in the gaming platform that’s more importantly. Xbox 360 will rock the console world (its launching on my birthday, so you guys know what i want as a gift :-) ) but Vista will have a lot in store for gaming on Windows
You mean DirectX 10 will have a lot in store for gaming. By the way, DX10 is slated to be released for Windows XP as well, and I'm betting with a bit of shoehorning, will work just fine on Windows 2000.
7. IE7 - if you have got your hands on the CTP builds, you will know how vastly different this is from IE6 – quick tabs, RSS, improved printing, standards support. Check out IE Blog for more.
IE7's beta already is available for WindowsXP. Microsoft has said time and again it would be available for Windows XP. No advantage to upgrade here.
here is another quick list of new things (not detailed):
- new networking stack for performance./ Dead wrong; it was improved for IPv6 support. "performance" would be "performance over the old IPv4 to IPv6 conversion layer we had in place before hand."
- new audio stack. - given.
- new fonts and readability technology. - eh.. you'll only see improvements in certain places, Microsoft's ClearType is still very good in Windows XP. So I'll say 1/2. (New fonts can be downloaded off the internet already, so that's not really any point)
- completely new kernel with massive changes. - Dead wrong, the Kernel is still NT, just a new version with a lot of internal changes. If they ground-up a Kernel they'd have the same migration problems they had between Windows 9X and Windows NT5. More or less we're seeing changes that are less than the changes that took place between Linux 2.4 and Linux 2.6.
- new print technology. - A clone of DisplayPDF that uses Microsoft's proprietary format, which means no applications will be compatible on launch, which means that there really isn't an advantage here, yet. If they went with NeXT-style DisplayPS/DisplayPDF, every existing application would benefit with minimal code change.
- new installer and deployment technology. - Uhh okay? They increment the version of Installishield and that's an improvement worthy of buying? No sir. Also this technology is going to be backported to Windows XP for compatibility.
- new crypto technology. - *yawn* more portable libraries.. We'll see these go all the way back to Windows NT4 if anyone's still using it.
- new rss support. - praise the day, Microsoft's catching up. Too bad everyone on the planet has already got it and has been abusing it thoroughly.
No, there really won't be any "go out and buy" reason to upgrade, and doing so immediately after release will likely leave you very upset. If you upgrade at all, it'll likely be when you buy a new computer, seeing as the odds are excellent that your current desktop and/or laptop simply won't meet the specifications for it. On top of that, the added technologies Windows does add are more performance intensive than ever before, which means more time for Windows to be working, and less time for you to be working.
The real reason to upgrade will be Microsoft cutting off support for Windows XP, at which point a lot more companies out there will start to seriously consider jumping ship from Microsoft altogether, seeing as it would require a massive replacement in technology to use the next version of Windows, and would likely touch every aspect of their business. This severely hurts bottom lines, and it will be reflected in a lot of industries. Microsoft's "Better Late Than Never" is more likely to be a boon to home users, and the bane of professionals, and let me ask you, where is Windows used more?
I rest my case. - kramit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Debian overpowering windows?! excuse me while i stich my sides back up - lol
- GrahamStw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows Vista: the toy that all the kiddies will want this Christmas?
- andrewdevlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1JONTHELUTHERAN ->
OH NO! Not the same release date as the new Debian distro!! Hmmm, Windows vs. Debian. I wonder who will win THAT contest...
Get real, buddy. Vista will sell like crazy and you know it. All you people have been chanting "Linux Linux" for too long. Normal people won't use Linux.
Prove me wrong...I dare you. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4trusted computing ? people have been ranting about that for 6 years, before xp was even out.
Why can't they start from scratch once in a while like Apple?
well, if they did it might actually affect some people, when/if apple does it doesn't really affect anyone, lol.
web 2.0 has nothing to do with an os and isn't a good reason to delay vista, hell, there would be NOTHING to add for 'web 2.0.'
also, ms doesn't care what some geek posts on /. or digg, because as soul destroying as this is going to be, /you/ [-r opinion] don't [doesn't] really matter.
shiftless i guess you either didn't read my post, or when you said 'pathetic!' you were referring to yourself. how is an os 'whiny' ? idiot. also, transparency is in win xp, without third-party programs. go die in a fire lemming.
digitol, if your bank gets hacked you could lose all that data and worse, why is it 'bad bad bad' with passport ? clueless kid.
Bellyache5, people will disagree with you, microsoft is on a 'huge comeback' and you would know what i was talking about if you could get your bigot mind out of the lemming gutter it is in.
gosh, why are most people on digg so freaking clueless ? - garg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It says November 15th is late for me.
- jaxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1one other bit of complete BS estvir also mentioned is:
5. New application platform - Winfx, Avalon, Indigo, Metro (and XPS) - PDC2005 for tons and tons of developer-related info
Dude, go check the announcements, the only two cool things about Vista: Avalon and WinFS were scrapped from the main Vista release as Avalon was going to allow too many security holes (sounds like a pretty lame excuse to me, I can't remember the last time a Unix developer blamed security flaws on the shell...), and WinFS was going to take too long. Looks like we'll be stuck with NTSF for a while yet.
How friggin hard is it implement a proper FS??!?!?!?! I mean *****, we've had proper journaling filesystems like ext3 and reiserFS for donkeys years how friggin hard can it be!!!
ahem, I'm calm now... - mdweaver7485, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've seen quite a bit of talk about the sys requirements of Vista. Ive got a Vmware machine running Beta 1 on my laptop. No it isnt perfect or the fastest but heres my observation.
When Ive got the laptop running at 1.4 Ghz (its a 1.73 with clock throttling features) and 512 MB of ram, I can use the Host Environment WinXP and the Guest OS - Vista with very little detrimental lag for either environment doing basic tasks. Word Processing, IM, Music, Browsing. Vista runs fine on 274 MB of RAM which is what I allocated through VMware. The thing I notice about Vista that does deserve the negative bloat ware commentary is its disk space requirments, 4.75 GB just for a basic install with office. Its excess and I imagine it will be leaned up quite a bit. - CarbideTipped, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1After installing ubuntu and running the automatix script I don't think I will ever go back to windows.
- kalphegor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You should not forget DirectX 10 with Shader Model 4
- ogrerocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They're just trying to find out how long they have until everyone gets fed up with them delaying it more.
- leobaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"i'm still not covering everything."
You're right, there really is more to vista than just a few simple eye candy features. Isn't there also some sort of locator service that connects you to other users around the net? - sulestis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm sure at least a near final version will be leaked way before then and everyone will already be using it. (just like xp, got it like 3 months prior to release)
- GliTCH82, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Two words: Trusted Computing™
- bob12321, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i digg this because olny december 1st is my birthday
- chiklit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Maybe they're just going to try and release it on November 31st, then realizing that it's not an actual day they can push it back even farther. In anycase I'm looking forward to Vista. All the stuff about it being bloated and graphics intensive I could care less about with 650GB of space on my computer and a nice GeForce card with 256mb of memory. Personally, I'm glad they're stealing stuff that's been in OS X since forever it's about time that they got caught up with the rest of the world.
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"will vista work with all windows xp programs? Or does everything have to be remade to work well?"
It will work fine with XP programs, I'm sure. And that's one of the reasons why there's so many security holes in Windows. They always try to support the older stuff. Why can't they start from scratch once in a while like Apple? - Tweekster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now for a business idea: start a bookmaking website for whether that will happen
- milhouse007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0All these people saying they're never going to upgrade to Vista probably said they're never upgrading the XP when it came out.. now what are they running.. XP and they'll be running Vista by 2008.
I'm not a diehard windows fan or anything, I've got a XP machine, a whitebox PC running OS X, and a Ubuntu linux machine. each OS has its good points - pillfred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The product is already several years late"
no doubt i heard of longhorn like '01. Still it's a no show. - Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I totally agree with you, deut. I actually went back to Windows 2000 because XP was so frickin' bloated. And now it sounds like Vista will be even more bloated. I'm very tempted to get a Mac the next time I need a new computer.
- yoelnino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yeah the reason they want you to guess is because they don't even know themselves when this is going to be ready to launch
- TheJenks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I find the people posting about how they will upgrade everything they can possibly find to Vista quite strange, I wonder who is really posting it because Vista has no real feature that makes it worth upgrading unless you are really dumb and need the security. As for Microsoft asking us to guess the release date, are they going to offer a lucky dip on whats included in the final version too?
I think Im going to stick with XP for a while and not run blindly into this like some questionable people on the net seem to. - rmdl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I like how most people are hyping this, but realize that it probably uses MORE RAM than XP, which already uses way too much.
It's an OS. It should *not* suck up hundreds of megs of RAM. It's unnecessary.
If MS wants to wow anyone, they would use better programming and rendering techniques that will allow their OS to run just as good, if not better, than XP does on current systems. Instead, it's just sloppy coding techniques masked behind the "eh, RAM is cheap, they can upgrade" crutch. - Irfit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nice!
im really waiting for vista, XP rules but i bet that vista is better
and for those virus noobs, a virus in xp is noob, linux is not the answer to avoid viruses, common sense is (i mean, if you find a 40kb file wich is supposed to be nero or something, ITS A VIRUS SMARTASS)
If you like linux, ok, but stop complaining about "ohh windows has viruses". Windows users with viruses are noobs. - SmilinJoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn, I would love to see those two "OS Britannicas" go at it in a locked room.. Where can I lay my bets?
- digitalbuzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0contest for the Vista Service Pack 1? anyone?
- kylerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0will vista work with all windows xp programs? Or does everything have to be remade to work well?
- gmax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0December 1 of what year?
- frickindeal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@murrayfox
" "All the same things were said about XP: it's not stable, it breaks things, the virii will be all over it, the system specs are outrageous, etc. "
And look what happened, they were right."
And XP holds total dominance (79.9%*). I'm not saying you, or I, have to like it. It's just the truth. Vista will be everywhere. Bet on it.
*source: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2 - vernsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I want it just so I can mess with it, but so far Windows XP Pro is going to be my normal set OS to use. I've tweaked it just right to where it will not bug me with pop up bubbles and some silly little graphics. I also think that everytime a OS comes out we hate it at first then tend to like it and say we couldn't like anythign better. I first remember when XP came out. Hopefully this Vista isn't high def DRM'd.
- TheWorkz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damnit.. I chose Nov. 15th before reading this thread.. :)
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Um... I've been out of the loop for a while. What happened to "Longhorn" ?
- alestes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey why wait for a generic version of Mac OS X (aka windows vista) (what a Joke)? Hey wait i just got an idea get a macintosh (us mac users have had Mac os x (aka windows vista) for years only its the real thing not some buggy, generic, cheap, unstable piece of ***** copyed from a MasterPiece like "Mac OS X" Buy a mac now you wont have to wait for a better more advanced OS you'll have it already and it will be the real thing not a copy, every windows that was ever made is copy of Mac OS X. If you people don't get that then you're ignorant.
Heres A windows Vista (which Is Not Shipping Yet) Screenshot: http://crystalxp.zerackiel.net/_resources/vista1b.jpg
Heres a Mac Os X 10.1 (shipping since 2002) screenshot: http://istpub.berkeley.edu:4201/bcc/Winter2002/feat.macosx.html
After You've Looked at both links reconsider your thoughts about getting a copy (aka windows vista) or buying the real thing "Mac OS X" 10.4 (yeah thats right 10.4) its available now Mac OS X 10.5 releases arond the same time vista is set to release only with Mac OS X It will be right the first time as with previous versions of the Mac Os. You Hear this windows users no waiting 6 months for a service to make windows vista work a little better but never right. think about it do you want to use your computer or do you want to download updates that barely or dont work at all. Just Save some time downloading updates and get a Mac ready and running perfect right out the box. The Answer Is Simple - JorgeGT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0alestes that's all you think about? ***** GRAPHICS? EYE CANDY? what about COMPATIBILITY or PROGRAMS or GAMES or HARDWARE? *outraged by fanboys*
- alestes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey why wait for a generic version of Mac OS X (aka windows vista) (what a Joke)? Hey wait i just got an idea get a macintosh (us mac users have had Mac os x (aka windows vista) for years only its the real thing not some buggy, generic, cheap, unstable piece of ***** copyed from a MasterPiece like "Mac OS X" Buy a mac now you wont have to wait for a better more advanced OS you'll have it already and it will be the real thing not a copy, every windows that was ever made is copy of Mac OS X. If you people don't get that then you're ignorant.
Heres A windows Vista (which Is Not Shipping Yet) Screenshot: http://crystalxp.zerackiel.net/_resources/vista1b.jpg
Heres a Mac Os X 10.1 (shipping since 2002) screenshot: http://istpub.berkeley.edu:4201/bcc/Winter2002/feat.macosx.html
After You've Looked at both links reconsider your thoughts about getting a copy (aka windows vista) or buying the real thing "Mac OS X" 10.4 (yeah thats right 10.4) its available now Mac OS X 10.5 releases arond the same time vista is set to release only with Mac OS X It will be right the first time as with previous versions of the Mac Os. You Hear this, windows users no waiting 6 months for a service pack to make windows vista work a little better but never right. think about it do you want to use your computer or do you want to download updates that barely or dont work at all. Just Save some time downloading updates and get a Mac, ready and running perfect right out the box. The Answer Is Simple -
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