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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This isn't Bill Gates in that video.
There are a ton more videos of Vista in action, in much higher resolution, and highlighting a LOT more of the new features (and interviews with the people who made them) here:
http://channel9.msdn.com/tags/Windows+Vista - DewayneSmith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why do you guys fight Holy Wars over operating systems? Seriously, just hug and make up. It would make my time reading comments a more enjoyable experience if there wasn't people going, "MAC ROXORS!!!1!!ONE!!!", "M4C SUX0RS1111 WINDOZ RULEZ1!!!".
- epall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've always thought window management was gross on Windows until I switched to Linux. Then I played with a bunch of different ways on Linux. They were good, but not quite satisfying. Then I plugged my 7-button mouse into my expose-equipped iBook. This Vista thing pales in comparison.
- monofonik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What a great addition. Microsoft's finally caught up with the functionality in the dock, which has been available for 5 years, and expose, which debuted in OS 10.2 I think? Maybe 10.3.
- skymt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Microsoft seems to think that 3D user interfaces are the future. Everyone else in the industry got over that in the mid-90s. Anyone remember Apple's HotSauce (or Project X)? Of course not. That's the point. Now Microsoft is fighting back against Apple Expose with what's pretty much a 3D version of the same thing.
I agree with Jakob Nielsen on this. 3D user interfaces will never be successful until we have 3D input devices and 3D displays.
Warning about the video: the server is extremely slow. Download it anyway, it's interesting. - arzdb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Looks pretty cool. I like the small thumbnail previews in real-time. I wonder if that will be resource consuming though.
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What're all these features gonna do for us. I agree that it is eye candy, supposed to make it easier for newbies etc. But how many people are in that boat today ?
Almost everyone using windows is pretty comfortable with using Alt+Tab and getting to their window. I want tools that will improve my productivity.
Mac OS X already did that. Linux already did that. Microsoft is just catching up. What they need to do is focus on what we'd need in 2006. Not what was needed in 2003-2004 and give us that in 2006 - benhiler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ill digg just cuz it looks kinda cool dont get the point but i like the new alt+tab cuz i use that all the time and you really cant see the window
- soroush, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1c'mon guys, lets do a little bit of thinking instead of just jumping on the "lawl i h8 m$" bandwagon. first off, a lot of apples ideas were ripped off. coughdashboardcough. and yeah, its a different implementation, but it really is just the same as the konfabulator. why do you think apple started using a dock? because the taskbar was handy. cmd-tab was stolen straight from windows. granted, they added extra functionality, like the fact that you can use your mouse (GENIUS), but it was pretty much stolen. you cant hold os x and windows to double standards.
before we all bash microsoft, give them another chance (eh, or dont, its not like you have any say what a billion dollar company does anyway), because i honestly think were all in for a surprise. microsoft is under a lot of pressure, and theres no telling what theyre gonna do. - warsaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Technology does not necessarily equate directly to a quality product. It's easy to be superficially impressed with that video, but scratch beneath the surface and you realise that any software company with the right brains and enough quality programmers can make an interface does some amazingly clever-looking stuff. MS are just as equipped -- perhaps more so -- as apple build in 3d trickery and eye-candy into their UI. That's not the challenge. The challenge is making it useful.
Vista's "alt+tab" looks sexy; the 3D "stacking" of application windows looks like a resource-hungry duplicate of that feature (talk about confusing users -- want to add any more duplicate features, complete with a new hotkey to remember? Isn't the new Alt+Tab feature enough?) Both of these features are spiritually linked to -- inspired by -- OSX's Expose feature... but I'm willing to bet that Expose is more functional. Of course, I haven't used Vista to compare, but 1) Expose shows the relative position of the app -- you can watch the application window slide out from behind another, and then slide back once selected -- which shows that Apple have paid attention to usability, not just 3D for the sake of it; and 2) Apple have a history of innovation that works; whereas MS have a history of cheaply duplicating other designs and technologies, without fully understanding what appeal the parent technology had to its users.
Also interesting to note that the speaker makes reference to some of Vista's 3D trickery "really giving the 3d card a work out" (or words to that effect.) Personally, I find that Window XP's shell steals too many resources from my applications as is... hate to think what Vista is going to want from my computer just to sit quietly on an empty desktop... - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"With respect to graphical interfaces, so far, Vista is years ahead of OS X. Honestly."
I really have no idea how you could even type that. You are so ignorant. Amazing. Do you work for MS or something? - luke--, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1cool but not really breathtaking. it screams 'just like MAC' instead of 'usefull'
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm glad MS won't add a big ugly ass dock like the OSX one into vista.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm glad MS won't add big ugly ass security and stability like OSX.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0haha, good post math genius. OSX does suck with all it's prompting for passwords. That pisses me off when I'm trying to install my web browser toolbars.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"OSX does suck with all it's prompting for passwords."
these password are supposed to be for security, but hey, if the user is a moron, he'll just do whatever the hell the web page says and input the password. - Thor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Lets get back on topic. The performance seemed good. Of course I'm assuming all of those processes were running local and not via the net. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Having used Windows and OS X on a regular basis, I still can't see how Microsoft is copying Expose here. Expose doesn't do any of the 3D window scrolling, which looks very cool. Oh, you've also been able to tile and cascade all windows on command since Windows 3.x. Full rendered views of windows while Alt+Tab switching just makes sense.
If you are so worried about companies copying ideas, please stop using OS X immediately. The majority of the OS is someone else's code.
I haven't had a chance to test it yet, unfortunately. Hopefully this stuff will be in Vista Beta 2. - FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hmm, that alt-tab thing looks awfully familiar... oh wait, look what happens when I push apple-tab on my iMac! Maybe someone installed Vista when I wasn't looking... or maybe Macs have had this for many years and Vista is COPYING!
llama - dustPuppy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0^^^^^^Check it out. Has the audio of the vista video. But what's this? A Mac doing EVERYTHING he says?
- stodd21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hey whered this story go, its off the topstories and homepage
- Tunalover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It looks like the WinPLOSION-guys are giving away free licenses. I found a flashgame called cupgame on www.killsometime.com. Play and win the game and you will receive instantly a free serial for WinPLOSION. Checking the comments on killsometime.com I also found a direct link to an updated version of the cupgame: http://www.winplosion.com/cupgame/3cups.html
Have fun :) - Myxomatosis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well I can't say I like... or even would want to see a mac UI if I didn't have to. But for Ms to flaunt this ***** around like it's new and (ha!) innovative... damn they're behind. I like windows but this is NOT better than the xpose on the mac. "clarity"... that word is starting to lose its meaning gates.
- Twelve-60, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oh god, i am never reading comments again
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ex-po-se. Mac OS
- cal0001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the dock is nothing like the start bar. the dock was designed before windows was.
- Jasoco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OS X already has the previews in the Doc. And ours don't require hovering. And that 3D alt+tab thing was done by Sun already. Nothing at all here that wasn't done already. MS is only trying to play catch up because they're SO FAR BEHIND EVERYONE ELSE!
My God, epiphany! - stodd21, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0why would he do that?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0beause he can.
- Brutusfly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Exposé just kills that. In Exposé you go right to the window you want because they are all visible simultaneously. This Vista feature is no functional improvement over Alt-Tab which I no longer use on the Mac since Exposé. I guess that's okay since I don't dare run as many programs simultaneously on my AMD/XP machine.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0kevin rose deleted it.
- TheThing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"For example, draging and dropping a document/file onto a shortcut for a program on the desktop or startbar and the program will open it. (Instead of rightclick--open in)"
this can be done in xp i believe - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0p.s. in all fairness I do believe Konfab did it RIGHT first though =)
- da_bradler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't get how the 3d thing is usefull? just looks like it would suck up processer power, I like the alt tab thing though looks like the taskbar is turning into a dock though
- Paintbait, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not years ahead, that's too much of a statement. It's not even much better...YET. It has the potential to be, and if software developers start taking a simplier route, and instead of doing the sh!t they did with the new version of nero.
Make a product that does one thing well, for the PC, to rival the Mac's selling points (eg. Video editing, I would go out and buy a mac right now just for good video editing and it would probably be cheaper than buying Adobe Premiere/After affects) for cheap.
So Vista has potential, but M$ is now just stating the blatently obvious. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The truth of the matter is that these features are a nice step up from Windows XP.
Just because Macs and Linux PCs already have these features is no reason for Microsoft to just say "***** it" and not do them.
Shut up everyone who says that Microsoft is ripping off ideas. Having a mini preview of available Windows is not a revolutionarly (a word?) unique idea. How else can one do this without it looking similar to other window thumbnail systems available? - Paintbait, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is really old news. It's still beta, I've actually ran it and it's not yet refined enough to save physical memory.
In short: It chugs even on a top-end PC. - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0dbavaria, Project Looking Glass wasn't an OS, the guy who posted it is just a dumbass. The closest thing we have to a JavaOS is Solaris. Java is a run-time lanuguage, it's not processor level.
- BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Soroush click on my link..... the start bar and side bar that you love sooo much were already in Next OS
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0no Looking Glass was not an OS, just a desktop environment. However, It could be run on Linux more than 2 years ago. I never said it was an OS. But it did look and behave very much like this Vista Bunk.
Refer to my earlier post with the link, watch the demo and count the similarities.
Having billions of dollars only means you know how to make money. It has nothing to do with making a quality product. - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FlyingLlama, Windows has had Alt+Tab for a long, long time. :/
- dbavaria, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Anyone knotice how familair that looks...if youve seen the JavaOS demo video you'd know exactly what im talking about.
- katanna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0looks neat, but not useful... no digg
Matthew - tsupersonic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ah, the smell of stupid comments on digg. "Windows sucks, this is old, they copied x, blah, blah, blah."
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"The mac dock is a poor ripoff imitation of the start bar."
I thought this was the dumbest thing I read today. But then I read this.
"Vista is years ahead of OS X." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use macs and now use a win xp laptop. This does not look like a mac. It's kinda like it, but still windows. Whoever says Winxp sucks probably is just saying that cause its cool. What OS are you running? Windows?
- Chad-Sexington, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, I hope that was a video of Mac OSX86...casue thats a ripoff of Mac 10.2 - 10.3's features...
- SirBriggs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0...I thought vista was dead...?
- mp817, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0(re: the title)Well duh, they stole the who widgets thing and realize that Apple is selling more and doing better because of the easy, modern, and clean look. Microsoft is jumping on the bandwagon.
- cooldude127, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Personally, nothing that Microcrap produces will get me to switch from my beloved Mac OS X. However, I do hope that Vista doesn't totally suck, because eventually I will have to put up with it in my Windows infested house (3 PCs, 1 Mac).
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