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- Wilson, on 10/12/2007, -20/+137Are they Xerox photocopiers?
Gedit? 'Cause Apple copied their first GUI from... aw nevermind :P - Phantom76, on 10/12/2007, -35/+149@andrebrown.
Ya you are right. Apple in fact did a very good photocopy of Konfabulator. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+56It's honestly 5x less buggy than the original vista beta public release. They also added many new features, one of my favorite is the snipping tool, which allows you to take screenshots on a selected area without copying to paint. Aside from that I haven't ran into any problems so far, gaming is fine, driver support is excellent, the new sidebar looks great, and I think the startup/shutdown screens have also changed for the better.
- RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -6/+41I'm honestly not at all worried about it. A long time ago, when piracy wasn't seen as a moral right or the basis of political movements, geeks found ways to circumvent obstacles and did whatever they wanted with their computers. Today it is no different except pseudogeeks with blogs parade these issues around as if they were as important as life and death. I wouldn't waste a second worrying about DRM. Making your computer do what you want and not the other way around is one of the fringe benefits of being a geek.
- twatwaffle, on 10/12/2007, -13/+42@ Wilson
Apple didnt illegally copy xerox at all. In fact it was a working agreement between the two companies. Xerox gave Apple 3 days of unrestricted access to all their stuff in exchange for Apple stock. Apple improved the interface Xerox was working on, and used it for themselves, which was in the agreement. Of course xerox was pissed apple was more successful at it than them but thats what a free market does to ya!
You should research your facts more often. - Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -7/+31what does this have to do with apple, or Linux, why don't you comment on the pictures and stop being a lame ass fan-boy.
- apotropaic, on 10/12/2007, -16/+39Am i the only one not interested in Vista because of the DRM, one copy per computer and other stuff that is going to be added to control what I can listen to and watch? I'm just not interested in somethin like that.
Unfortunetly I'm in the IT industry... so I might have to cave :( or quit :) and go linux. - cosmotron, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Snipping tool was in the first public beta...
- EasY_TargeT, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29Lalalalala, follow this link for a vista treat http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/prerc1/en/download.html
- AhronZombi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21yeah turn it off, just give everyone root acess. that sound smart. NOT
- danielgary, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Wow. Someone needs to take their pills and go to bed. Mommy and daddy might catch you up on your computer after bedtime.
- danielgary, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24Umm...its a chess game. I guess they should have shown it from the under side of the board?
Just about every chess game in history has either used that perspective or a top down one.
Quit being a whiny apple fanboy. - deepspaceant, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19@rw112358
Yes, most people don't understand something about operating systems development.
There is a lot of things going on behind the scenes that makes the operating system work at all, and none of it can be "felt" or "seen" by a user. Usually this is what is worked on first and the hard part - and the part any software development company is given no credit for. The last few months are just fixing bugs and adding user interface enhancements that look like big changes but are actually pretty trivial. - alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23"I don't want it to look like Windows 2000. I want it to be better."
Okay, fine. Let's start at Vista's Aero. What exactly would you change? - kronarq, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20I hate it when I read about Vista forcing DRM on people. It isn't Vista and Microsoft that is forcing this on us it is the content providers for their prospective mediums. Now don't get me wrong I am pro linux, all my computers besides my gaming box run linux, but you won't be able to do anything on linux when it comes to next-gen dvd or anything like that at least not legally. All Vista is doing is saying whether or not there is a secure connection it is up to the software and the content providers to determine whether or not it can be played not Vista. As far as pirating and windows activation and WGA I used to hate it till I grew up and got a job... now it only cost me like $130 to get a copy of xp pro sp2. The only thing I agree with is that there should be more affordable volume license keys for multi-pc families, but the simple fact of the matter is that most families both single-pc and multi-pc buy from prefabs and get the OS preinstalled.
- IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19"yea with a mac thats called apple+shift+4+spacebar"
Do I need to use my toes for that? - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18#twatwaffle
And Apple gave MS legal rights to [most] of it's GUI [at the time], but when Windows took off and so on, they freaked out and it seems there was a slight 'misunderstanding' with the contract.
So, Apple takes them to court, the judge decides that MS isn't in the wrong and MS continues [using and improving] the gui from Apple (Like with Xerox) and we all live happily ever after.
Let's all take into account that Microsoft software sales at the time where keeping Apple alive and it wasn't the first time they saved Apple - remember how they pumped 100m or so into Apple a few years back ? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24Which runs more games? That's what I care about
- McMultiverse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20You know, I like a lot of things Vista is doing under the hood - the new audio and networking stacks are great and the permission system change (however painful the transition will be) is a big move in the right direction.
All that being said, Aero Glass is an ugly mish-mash of design elements that should not be shipping with a flagship product from a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft. I've seen amateur, homemade work on Neowin and other sites that BLOW Aero Glass away in terms of design. I think we all have. Glowing buttons, transparency everywhere, candybar icons that clash with standard Windows icons, the gimmicky 3D alt-TAB (what's the point of rendering all those windows when you only see one at a time) and on and on. With OS X and Linux GUI projects striving for uniformity and a pleasant minimalism, it's just stunning how gaudy Microsoft went with Vista. Blech. And once you consider how much frickin' power Aero Glass needs, the deal is completely soured. Classic mode for me when I boot to Vista, thank you very much.
Though, to give credit where credit is due, the new fonts and the quick preview of minimized windows are wonderful. Keep the guys who did those on and fire EVERYONE else on that design team. Especially the font guys. They did an AMAZING job. - AhronZombi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16spoken just like a 12 year old on the internet
- alx1507, on 10/12/2007, -15/+27...os x has had snipping.... if you mean take a screen shot of a selected area of the screen opposed to the wholes screen.
- Porchman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Come on guys. Different strokes for different folks. Some people feel Vista looks and feels smooth. @standsolid - I think that XP theme is ass ugly and that Aero is much less crowded. In the windowblinds theme, all the curves conflict with each other, in Vista it's simply rounded corners, bevels and transparency, that's it. Much simpler. And IE7 and WMP11 fit into the flow of Vista much better than they do in XP. This will end up on millions of public computers in cafes and libraries around the world anyway so get used to it.
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18They have made it look better. Maybe not in your eyes, but you're always free to use thing like a patched uxtheme.dll file, Windowsblinds, styleXP, etc. if you're not satisfied with Luna, Classic Windows or Aero. You could even download an entirely new shell.
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -15/+25"I find the visual design of this OS to be ugly, cluttered, and distracting."
Well, I disagree, but since you don't you can always just use the windows classic theme and make it look like windows 2000. - inkhead, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20ANYBODY who says Dashboard Widgets are a copy of Konfabulator, is FULL of *****.
The "creator" of Konfabulator was an employee of Apple for almost twenty years. The real first computer "widgets" were Apple's "desktop Accessories" or DA apps that lived in the file menu under the first macintosh OS release.
You don't find it strange that v1.0 of Konfabulator included only "widgets" that were exactly what Apple released 20 years ago? A puzzle, alarm clock, and so on.
Not only that the creator of Konfabulator worked on the Copland team a OS by Apple that was never released, and turned parts into OS 8. Konfabulator was inspired by work done in teams at Apple computer for small applets as they were called. The reason Konfabulator loves to whine and complain is because there product is barely used because of dashboard widgets. A natural evolution of previous work Apple has done.
All Apple has to do is say "prior art" and "former employee" who didn't work on desk accessories, but had access to them and Konfabulator would lose it's shirt in court.
It's a simple idea, many people have had, it's not original. It's obvious that MS has copied quite a bit from Apple, but can you blame them? Apple has a knack for coming up with cool stuff. If you can't beat them, well make sure as hell to copy them.
To bad that Vista mimics Tiger (a 1 1/2 year old OS) and not the one that leopard that Apple will be unleashing in the same time frame....
Once again Apple will have the upper hand OS wise, and now with the CEO of Google joining up with Apple, you're mind will be blow with what's coming down the road.
I've seen development version of leopard (and not the wimpy stuff they gave out to developers at WWDC) that shows some of the "top secret" features, and they are going to leave microsoft in tears.
Vista finally plays catch-up to Apple's overall OS rendering structure Aqua, with the VERY original name "Aero" (geeze, nobody will get those confused)... Only Apple is going to release 10.5 and leave Aqua behind. Microsoft is making a big deal about Aero and how developers will be able to do cool "effects" in their apps easily... What until you see the coreanimation library and what apple's about to do to their "finder" (the same as windows explorer).
Apple is going to take computing to a whole new leave.
And don't even get me started on all the 20 version of vista there has to be, and the serial numbers, and authentication. Apple is releasing ONE OS, on 1 DVD that works seemlessly on PowerPC, and X86, and will work for 64bit or 32bit seamlessly.
MS on the other hand will keep everything separate. Special Apps for special version, and all this complicated crap.
Apple's solution just works, no thinking about the hardware, it disappears. It's all about the OS and what your machine can do. No more thinking about hardware. - BadDonkey, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18@rw112358
It makes perfect sense. 6 years have gone by and now the developers are in the "holy *****, were 6 months away from final" phase..
happens a lot to me :P - Phantom76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1499% of Windows users dont need a compiler. That is why it is not included. The Windows SDK and the recent "Express editions" of Visual studio are all free downloads from MS website.
On the other hand, if Windows came with development tools, the trolls will call it "bloated". - IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13http://www.atarimagazines.com/v6n2/chessmaster.JPG
ChessMaster on the Atari. Please see how its the same perspective.
So now please take off that tinfoil. - weneedsound, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Is it me or is the glass effect over used.. First thing I am going to do is turn down the opacity..
yuck. - LaughingMan11, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18NeoTechni... Mac OS has saved screenshots to file for at least a decade...
- bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Finally Windows tries to match the security of Linux,BSD and OSX out of the box and what's the first thing users try to do? Turn it off.
Jesus ***** Christ. I'm not even going to blame Microsoft on this one. You're the kind of person who deserves to pay all of their anti-virus/malware subscriptions, and have a beast of a computer run like it's five years old. - twatwaffle, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20yea with a mac thats called apple+shift+4+spacebar
... old - McMultiverse, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14All future Windows and OSX related comment sections should be locked with this as the only comment. It's a truly representative post.
- IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13And how many times have I seen the XGL flips?
- kronarq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12First off if you haven't used the build don't comment on it. UAC has gotten alot better. Ever use linux? Back in the day you had to log into root to do alot nowadays you have a system prompt and gotta type in the root password. I would prefer that over simply clicking accept personally.
- IronKurton, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11What other perspective is there other than top-down and tilted? It's like saying Apple copied the perspective of Solitaire or Nibbles.
Grow up. - Giever, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I think that many people keep saying that vista is visally appealing because that's they're opinion. You know, the whole, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," thing?
- Sagags, on 10/12/2007, -19/+26with OS X you can do a timed capture, selected area, whole screen, and even take pictures of just windows, its no something that jobs brags about
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11"Last time I tried Vista the sound wasn't nearly as good as XP."
Augh. (I know you didn't, but) don't blame Vista for that, that is Creative's fault for making crappy drivers. - adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10XP SP2 includes the .NET framework 1.1
The .NET framework does includes a compiler.
Enjoy! :-) - idntunknwn, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10>in fact, its declined every year since steve jobs has returned.
Where did you get that information? I've seen statements that it's gone up and statements that it's gone down. A little bit of substantiation would be nice.
A point to think about: Lamborghinis have less than 1% marketshare, but they seem to be doing pretty well as a company. I don't really understand the point of the whole marketshare argument.
And what's this got to do with anything? - IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Want a screenshot? :)
You have no clue how cheap PC makers sell their desktops for. - alexpigment, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8when is someone going to take some screenshots with a different color scheme / theme. i seem to be the only one who hates the transparent black start menu and clear windows. anyway, if someone can either upload some screenshots or give me a link to some, let me know.
- danielgary, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13If you have to say "I'm not trying to be an Apple fanboy..." then you are one.
- idntunknwn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13I would agree that Ubuntu support is excellent. Ubuntu has a great community. It's not perfect, but it's very close.
I can't say if Apple has poor support or not, I've never had a need for it.
However, there is a great deal more to an OS than just support. - dr3d, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Microsoft Express Edition compilers cost nothing / easily downloaded.
- jaytv, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Much faster, not nearly as many user account restrictions hassles, and very smooth so far...
- kbeeveer46, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Has anyone tried this build with Creative sound card drivers? Last time I tried Vista the sound wasn't nearly as good as XP. Has there been much improvement in this department?
- idntunknwn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@AhronZombi
> OS X is just as bad now that apple is completely not open source anymore
If you're referring to the whole debacle concerning Apple's delay in releasing kernel code, then you ought to know that during WWDC, it was announced that the Darwin kernel source code is now available.
http://lists.apple.com/archives/Darwin-dev/2006/Aug/msg00067.html - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9What does this have to do with Vista screenshots?
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