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- Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+48FUD. Those 'old viruses' exploit programs, not Vista.
Microsoft cannot be held responsible for the mistakes of other programmers. - aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -5/+45Apple doesn't put serials on their OS because they are only technically allowed to be installed on Macs, and when you buy a Mac, you buy the OS. So they really have no reason for serials.
Or wait...Apple is better because they only allow their software to be used on their hardware. Right. Much less restrictive. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44As he posts from a MS product.......
- kingace, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29What the hell do you mean, "started?"
- Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30I'd love to...if only a fraction of the apps I need every day (and all the games I play) didn't need the Windows platform. And if I had no plans of linking with my 360. Frankly there's nothing wrong enough with Windows to force me to change everything without obvious gains.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28heck, i'm not even going to pirate this. XP works fine for me.
- kodek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26This isn't old news. This isn't the RTM to RC1 patch that has been out for a while. This is an illegal KMS server that has been set up and is giving out Vista activations. RTFA please.
- archer75, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33OSX has just as much DRM as windows.
Like you said, they lock the OS to thier hardware. It's called DRM.
And then there's ituens.... - petknep, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Read the comments of the slashdot article. Even they agree that the article is just FUD. Have a nice day trolling though.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20What a load of crap. You can slipstream a virus into an XP install a hell of a lot more easily than you can into a Vista install. With Vista, you have to deflate the WIM file, and then infect the system, then package it all back up. With XP, you can just take any old .ex_ file present in the i386 folder, decompress it, infect it, and recompress it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Re: ohgr
Linux compositing window managers are buggy as *****, still. They're not an alternative. - atomicbomb, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Vista can bite my shiny metal ass
- gildude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Maybe if you had RTFA you'd realize that it isn't old news - this is the first reported actual KMS activation server placed on the internet.
- podgey22, on 10/12/2007, -18/+28Regardless, this is old news.
From the desc: "The business launch of Windows Vista is only a few days behind us and already the attempts to pirate Windows Vista are underway."
No... This happened a couple of days after Vista was marked RTM. Weeks ago. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I pay for anything i use to make money and everything else i deny.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Pirate KMS servers ? Nope, RTFA.
- gildude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@aaronm67 - sorry to burst your bubble right back but RTFA. It is talking about the first KMS activation server for VL media on the internet. KMS or Key Management Server is Microsoft's new way to manage activating volume license editions of Vista without the machines having to activate with servers that MS owns. Having KMS available on the internet means that people can activate the VL editions and get 180 days usage before it has to talk to another KMS (which will probably pop up again and again with MS getting them shut down after some time each time one pops up). The question is how did these folks get a valid key to activate KMS since those are guarded pretty darn well generally.
- contentpig, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I'm a techie, work in I.T. and have the typical techie's love / hate feelings towards Microsoft. Thing is, I'd buy a license for my personal use if it wasn't for all the Genuine Advantage & activation stuff. But I love my gadgets and PCs and am CONSTANTLY upgrading, modding etc. I WILL NOT be calling the MS hotline every couple weeks or so to re-activate. Also I don't think that they allow you to install across more than 1 PC per copy. If they sold an affordable license that installs on 5 to 10 pcs per user-license like other software products I'd buy it. I'd encourage friends and family who I am constantly helping with free tech support to buy it, and I would install it and support it for them. As it stands now though... I believe its better to switch to another OS than use Vista / XP as intended by MS. I also believe its better to switch to another OS than to participate in the constant cat & mouse game of utilizing illegal cracks, hacks, or leaked keys followed by MS patches to close those holes. To boil it down: if the user isn't much of a techie (Grandmas) I tell them to get a Mac. If they ARE the type that likes to tinker I point them in the direction of Linspire, Ubuntu, or Fedora or one of the other fine Linux distros... Its a shame because Vista looks pretty good otherwise..
- Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -16/+24I'm going to buy Vista because I'm tired of playing hide and seek with Microsoft.
I'm done. MS wins. ~~FATALITY~~. - Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10>>bet your in your 20's. Once you hit the working world, have money and really would like to stay out of real trouble, thats when you start buying software. You have more to loose and little to gain from committing piracy. I destroyed my big stash 2 years ago and when legit. A lot off my mind.
You got one thing right: I'm in my 20s... but I don't have anything to *lose* besides aggravation. No cop is going to bust down your door because you pirate an OS and your girlfriend won't pack up and leave, don't worry. I'll continue to pirate anything that's not a pain in the ass (which I hardly bother with at all anymore thanks to great open source alternatives). Destroying your "stash" was a bit paranoid, dontcha think?
My point was that I'm tired of having to research, then hack around inside windows to install stuff like WMP11, IE7, Windows Defender and windows updates. MS' strategy worked on me. I don't have the time or patience anymore. - shredswithpiks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9but for now there are still thousands and thousands of poor college students who simply can't afford to shell out $500 for an operating system. Or don't want to. That's a lot of money.
If I wasn't in a Microsoft academic alliance certified college program, I'd probably resort to pirating it, too. It's just too much of a standard not to have, and most people would rather risk piracy than the pain trying to figure linux and all it's compatibilities out. - tomi, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Pfft, old news, I'm already running on a 'patched' Vista.
- tarmithius, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Authorized legitimate users do not need to worry about some seemingly hackers slipping a bit of malware to their official disc.
- moet, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14I thought this started weeks ago..... before it even shipped.
- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Microsoft Software has been some of the most popular pirated software for quite some time (right up there with Photoshop and Winrar). You may think digg is popular, but more popular then every single bittorrents site? Some stupid ass "OMG W!NBLOZE SOFTWARE P!R4T3 N0W" on the front page of digg isn't going to scare microsoft.
- contentpig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes I know its done via the net but we've all heard the stories of upgraders calling MS and getting them to re-activate their computer because user upgraded a Hard drive, motherboard or something. Co-workers have even told me they returned their new components and stuck with the old hardware because MS insisted if they upgraded a motherboard it was a new PC requiring new license. Even though they're not using their old license anymore... I don't understand why if its the same user and a replacement PC or component then why can't they continue using their license? MS is the only OS that does that.
- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@inkswamp
By "Lock the OS to their hardware" he means that OSX is only installable on Apple hardware. I wouldn't necessarily call this DRM as much as a proprietary operating system, but still. Arguing that Microsoft/Windows is too restrictive and then comparing it to OSX just doesn't work. OSX is far more restrictive, as you can't even install it on 95% of computers. - merkul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I'm really getting tired of people like yourself. You want pirated goods to be more private, yet I'm sure you get your stuff off of pubic torrent sites. Do you really think that you're elite because you use a public www accessed by millions the world round? Stop being pretentious, you're no better than the 80 year old grandpa who loads up Kazaa to get his "leet 0day axx".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@aaronm67:
"Microsoft Software has been some of the most popular pirated software for quite some time"
Bill gates on piracy
"people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
actually talking about china but fits here. I personally think he has always made his products too easy to pirate when there have always been some sort of protections out there he could have used to at least discourage it. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It's annoying as hell when you only run websites as a hobby, but still need to make them work in IE since that's what people use. I ended up buying Windows just for that, though I admit I did use a pirated copy for years. Yes I gave up and MS wins, but I don't feel even remotely bad for pirating XP. In my eyes MS owes me at least a free copy of Windows since it's because of their ***** browser that I even need the OS in the first place (don't tell me to use ie4linux, it's unstable). the only thing I run on Windows is IE, and it's only so that I can make my sites work in their broken-ass browser...
All I have to say is thank god for Parallels Desktop. I've been able to get rid of an old Win box I had around for IE. Now I've got my Gentoo box, a MacBook, and a Vista RC1 box in the closet (for now). Now I just have to try and get that Virtual PC WinXP image MS released working on Parallels (or VMWare, since they figured that out already) and I'll be able to start using IE7 ... I should probably be excited, but the thought of using IE is hardly entertaining.
@shredwithpiks: Are you sure getting around validation checks and getting regular updates is easier than learning to use linux? ... i use linux all the time but i never once found out how to update my pirated XP... hence the recent purchase (plus I wanted that VPC image they released...). - MrLobster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Inkubuk is right if he meant threat instead of treat. If the drm worked there wouldn't be piracy and there would no longer be the choice between free opensource software and free commercial applications that exists today. Obviously if people couldn't get the commercial apps for free then many of them would go to the free opensource software.
- merkul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Maybe I haven't had enough sleep, but what the hell are you ranting on about? Your analogy makes absolutely no sense.
Here's a good analogy for reference:
"The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn’t." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Especially on private trackers, and it is really getting confusing.
- eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Me too :) oh windows, how you think it's the year 2075...
- yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4corporations
- aaronm67, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Sorry to burst your bubble...it's been happening for quite a while already...
http://isohunt.com/torrents.php?ihq=windows+vista&ext=&op=and
http://www.torrentspy.com/search?query=windows+vista&submit.x=0&submit.y=0
http://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=windows+vista
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrents-search.php?search=windows+vista&cat=0&submit=TBox+Search
...pretty much any torrent site you go to has tons of vista releases. - TylerDurden0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*****, that's why you are commenting on this link.
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Copyright infringement is not piracy, buried as inaccurate.
- ziadoz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You wouldn't have Windows Genuine Advantage, serial keys or restriction on products you buy if people didn't pirate them, so blaming Microsoft is dumb. We're all to blame, its human nature to want something for nothing, even when we know its wrong.
- ziadoz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can't legally install OS X on a PC (though illegally it is very possible), therefore you are technically locked into to Apple's hardware. iTunes is the most restrictive media player about too. Why else do you think certain governments are trying to force them to open it up?
@inkswamp, you got dugg down because you didn't manage to refute a single point you took up. Deal with it. - kohoutec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@leoxnx - the 10 machine license is only for the release candidates AFAIK. Pretty sure MS wont let you install the final version on more than one machine at a time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Those silly smart Chinese are at it again...Come on! Who actually pays for anything Microsoft branded!
- sievo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3care to explain wtf that's supposed to mean. At first glance it would seem that more piracy = more lost sales for ms (or whoever) = more restrictive drm = more people moving to open source
What am I missing? - andreo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@baugles:
Unless your the unlucky S.O.B. that they decide to make a example of. And chances are if you have one piece of pirate software they fill find more. And maybe some music that you can't produce physical CDs for and perhaps a movie or two that you haven't gotten around to watching. But the only problem is that the movie has only been in theaters for 2 weeks.
So you have plenty to worry about.
I'm gonna use a upgrade voucher to get my copy of Vista. While I'm dieing to install it now (simply because I've become so accustomed to wiping my system and re-installing over the years) I will wait until January (or try). If it wasn't for the upgrade voucher, I would be playing in the cat and mouse game that played so many years with MS and XP. But I'm tired of playing the game. They have far to many eyes peeking into my router now that it makes is almost a daily skirmish and it will only get worse with Vista. So if I want all the toys that Vista is going to offer then I need a legit version. - valkyries, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3google....
- kylesellers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hmmm, Vista is out now? Didn't notice, and definitely don't care.
- davidsmero, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Born to pirate microsoft.
- ravisvf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Who wants Bulls**t(Vista) from Microsoft. I Love Open Source Softwares. Debian is a good release and works good for me. After all i am not a hardcore gamer to use Windows.
For me, Only Gamers has to worry about microsoft's Piracy wars.
If you are not gamer Then open source software is your destination for peace of mind.
- Optimus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2... I guess there's always the risk of a lawsuit, but that's what Usenet is for :P
- contentpig, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2leoxnx: "you need to get more info before you post. they will let you use the same lisence for 10 PCs"
How much does that license cost? For the Vista Premium? Just curious. sounds pretty good. Is that 10 separate PCs simultaneously? Or they just let you upgrade 10 times? -
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