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Windows Vista - Deleting a shortcut is just a few clicks away....

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  • ani-pockdotnet, on 10/12/2007, -23/+100Man thats confusing!

    I'd just put everthing I wanted to throw away in a folder called "Trash" on the desktop.

    Cuz its inevitable that you'll have to wipe your drive cuz of a Windows error/security hole...
    • mlwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -150/+32Yes, this is confusing, but why is this news? If a beta OS has a flaw it is not news!!!!
    • rastan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+131@mlwarrior

      It's not news, it's just funny. The fact that you have to go through 7 dialog boxes just to delete a shortcut is humorous, and thus worthy of my digg.
    • TiMMY8765, on 10/12/2007, -23/+103The "It's beta" excuse doesn't apply here. That only works with complaints over memory leaks, crashes, bugs, etc. This looks like it was intentionally put in by the developers.
    • mlwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -97/+16I stand by my comment that this is a beta OS. Also, funny news "Digg is a technology news website"
    • mlwarrior, on 10/12/2007, -60/+19Why doesn't revising the gui count as beta tweaking, can you provide a logical reason for that? I think not....
    • Metabolife, on 10/12/2007, -52/+23Still easier than typing: rm /home/username/slink
    • carini812, on 10/12/2007, -41/+20can't...stop...laughing
    • snooo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34The solution to this would be...

      Click "Delete shortcut"... Dialog box politly notifies that the shortcut was owned by the system, and to be deleted will require authorisation in one go. Give authorisation. Done.

      But, as a Ubuntu user, one hopes they keep the merry go round...
    • heinousjay, on 10/12/2007, -26/+19"Still easier than typing: rm /home/username/slink"

      there's always rm ~/sl*tab* (or s, or sli, depending on what's in the home directory.)

      You could do it the long way, I suppose, if you're not into that whole brevity thing.
    • Metabolife, on 10/12/2007, -23/+11Don't get me start on su. =D
    • Shizlak, on 10/12/2007, -14/+84This build is a few months old as evidenced by the "Step 5" screenshot (In newer builds the screen around the conformation box is darkened, in the screenshot this isn't the case)

      Vista no longer acts like this. And even when it did, it wasn't mandatory. (the beta excuse is very relevant here. They are tuning the user interface and will do more tuning after beta 2 goes public and they get feedback.) In current builds shortcut deletion will work just like xp if you want it to.

      All the annoying message pop-ups are from User Account Protection. ***You can easily turn it off in the control panel.*** (just like you can turn off the recycling bin, the firewall, and almost anything else you find annoying)

      I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, just someone who has actually USED vista and is passing out some facts.
    • threepio, on 10/12/2007, -27/+149My Windows computer came with a Trash folder on the drive already

      C:Windows

      Hiyo!
    • gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -32/+12This is from the december CTP. It has long been fixed.

      Reported to digg team for immediate removal since no one else caught it.
    • brentcore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32Does anyone remember those old Amelia Bedelia books back in elementary school? Where Amelia would take advice from people and take it way overboard, totally misunderstanding the point of the advice? Sort of reminds me of Microsoft's response to the security community. sorry for the nostalgia.... :( to be young again....
    • CharlesDarwin, on 10/12/2007, -32/+8You're right mlwarrior, but what did you expect from the front page of digg? Diggers are ***** morons.
    • jayKayEss, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14You shouldn't have to confirm a thing like this more than once, period.
    • XxXoldsaltXxX, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6I think i speak for everyone when i say, mlwarrior, shut the hell up.
    • estvir, on 10/12/2007, -13/+15it's been fixed already, lamers.

      the "it's a beta" STILL flies because beta's aren't just unfinished products (as in, being coded & bug tested) but 'features' aren't completely finished.

      you compare one of the early versions of uac to the latest in beta2 and you will see MASSIVE improvements.

      you guys need to do some sort of 'research' before making comments.
    • timro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I just wish they would throw in one of the dialogs that goes against what you'd think.

      Like AOL used to do on its uninstallers. You'd be used to clicking a million 'No' dialogs and then they would say something like "Are you sure you want to remove AOL" and you would accidentally click 'No.'

      Then Microsoft would have you start over again.

      But one thing I wonder, as someone put, if you put them all in a folder then could you delete the folder with just one dialog?
    • toaste, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11estvir, where did you hear that it was fixed in beta 2? From what I've read, there are still issues with UAC making simple delete operations a pain.

      See this post on the msdn channel 9 forums: http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=197029#197029

      Clearly it's better, but not "fixed."
    • Kirti, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9What about shift+del?
    • djjoemex, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1mlwarrior are wrong, even that you have 81 diggs, this is dangerous.
      Are you saying that shortcuts in Vista are like the neo-genesis of computer hacks? I guess shortcuts in vista don't use binary data like Windows NT and XP does, if you try to open any shortcut you'll see that windows uses a propietary format to keep the hard disk sector, where the physical data is, safe from hacks
      Well, let me tell you something, Vista in two years will be capable of using a new File System where data will not be stored in physical sections of your hard disk units (like you do now in C: or D: ) because it will only be virtually in your computer, in the reality it could be stored in many places including other machines from your local network, a remote network, or your computer, but that will not be important, since you'll be using this file as a service. That is because the service oriented applications will be running in every corner of the world (for example the medicine applications where a patient using Vista, a doctor using Vista and a third party (like the financial assurance) will be collaborating in real time applications). I think it is important to fix this, but plz dont' make funny jokes about it ok.
    • OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5[quote]This looks like it was intentionally put in by the developers.[/quote]

      It was put in by idiots with no clue. AKA MS management. Do they even bother using this stuff before releasing it? How could anyone in their right mind consider this acceptable?! This isn't a beta 2, it's still an alpha.
    • OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9[quote]All the annoying message pop-ups are from User Account Protection. ***You can easily turn it off in the control panel.***[/quote]

      That's no solution, since it renders the whole security scheme useless. Why include it at all if no one except some kind of masochist freaks are going to want to use it?
    • Lorian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"the "it's a beta" STILL flies because beta's aren't just unfinished products (as in, being coded & bug tested) but 'features' aren't completely finished."

      beta = feature complete and is in testing, unless you're Google...
    • M4v3R, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The Unix/Linux way (Ubuntu in this case) is sooo much easier

      ~$ sudo rm teh_file
  • beejay, on 10/12/2007, -11/+56I only use Windows because school/work require me to. Vista makes me want to drop out/quit.
    • slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39For schoolwork, use OpenOffice.org. It is a very good of Microsoft Office alternative. It can also save your document files as Microsoft Office files. You can get OpenOffice.org for Linux and Mac, too. Go to http://www.openoffice.org for downloads. Of course, it's entirely free and open source.
    • wistar, on 10/12/2007, -19/+15If they keep trying, soon it'll be as bewildering as Linux.
    • invader, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16some schools assign work in programs other than word/excel/ppt.. when i was in college, we got 3 or more windows applications for audio-related tasks, windows 3d modeling software, m$ vi$io, and of course, a laptop with xp homeless pre-installed

      granted, you could get equal or better applications on other platforms, but for "hands-on" training, you're supposed to have the exact app that the teacher is certified with.... i've noticed a lot of college students stuck in the same situation, where the school is pwned my m$ and that's all they teach the kids.. it's kinda sad
    • slombard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Unfortunately, at this point OpenOffice is still a fair bit slower than MS Office. Also in a work environment many organizations are using Exchange Server. Therefore employees need Outlook installed to get their email.
  • tazamore, on 10/12/2007, -8/+151It's even easier if you use Microsoft Shortcut Remover Pro Enterprise Edition which includes a shortcut delete wizard, it's own scripting language, and 234 page user manual. The next version is rumored to also allow you to rename files!
    • hisjap2003, on 10/12/2007, -6/+80Did you guys hear about the Microsoft Shortcut Remover Pro Enterprise Edition Plus! ? You can skin your wizard along with adding plugins. Of course you need a DX10 video card to install :(
    • Takteek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+75Hah! You're still using that old thing? I have the new Microsoft Shortcut Remover Professional Team Edition with Plus XP Service Pack 9. It lets schedule shortcut deletion and has integration with Microsoft Outlook. Also, it lets you warn everyone else in your office 10 minutes in advance before you delete a shortcut in case anyone else is using it.
    • elpayo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+64But if you want a truly powerful shortcut remover try Microsoft Shortcut Remover Elite Enterprise Edition for Vista Service Pack A. It has a built-in spelling and grammar checker to confirm the dialog boxes are formatted correctly.
    • brentcore, on 10/12/2007, -6/+34My eyes are tearing up and I'm laughing my ass off at you guys! XD funniest comments in digg history! Gold star for each of you!
    • Pogue_Mahone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+32If you can wait until Q2 2007, Microsoft Shortcut Remover Elite Enterprise Media Center Edition for Vista Service Pack B1 (Beta), you'll be able to set up a wizard that will create an RSS feed for your blog of every shortcut you delete. WGA product activation will be required though.
    • dorkafork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39Unfortunately, Microsoft Shortcut Remover Elite Enterprise Media Center Commercial Special Edition for Vista Service Pack C3PO has a criticial vulnerability whereby a person can take full control of your computer by looking at it. This vulnerability, among other things, allows them to delete shortcuts immediately.
    • slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -13/+12I like how, with each reply, less people are digging. I mean come on guys, it was funny at the beginning, but...
    • stoanhart, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23best... comment thread... ever!
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Damn, you guys got the Windows Xperience nailed! Well done!
    • brentcore, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12no no i totally disagree, this is NOT old yet! keep em coming! i could read thousand of these... This is turning into one of those 'snaps' sessions from the eighties where people did variations on a theme for yo mamma jokes. Or an impromptu jazz flute battle. or maybe i'm giving these digg threads too much credit...
    • PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Have none of you tried OpenShortcut?

      Free, open source, and much more configurable than MSR.
    • Samurailink3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I haven't laughed that hard since Win98 crashed on Gates during its unveiling. Great job diggers!
  • TekeeTakShak, on 10/12/2007, -29/+26Guess I'll have to become a Mac user now...*slugs over to Mac side*
    • ilyag, on 10/12/2007, -38/+21People like you either already own a Mac, or use something like Linux. All you're trying to do is try to inflate numbers of "switchers", so that people think, "Hey, wow, another person is switching to Mac! It's really popular now!"

      I guess what I'm trying to say is: You're a filthy liar.
    • kimos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Anyone who says they're switching to mac is a liar?
      Guess I'm a liar too. I dropped windows, but wasn't ready to have a linux only household. I'm typing this from my brand new MacBook Pro! You should try it. Best computer decision I've ever made...
    • mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Well, I happen to be typing this on my spanking new MacBook. It's my first ever Apple computer. (I was a loyal Dos 4.0 through Win XP user until now)
    • palmer, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4Uh, yeah. Try highlighting stuff on your desktop and pressing Delete. What happens? NOTHING. So go ahead, put 8 miles a day on your mouse dragging stuff to the trash.

      Now try changing a filename extension with the Finder. Do you REALLY want to do that? Really? Now try it again. And again. Keep answering the same question, again and again.

      Try deleting a filename extension. Now go to the command line and take a look at the file. Hey, thanks, Finder! You just "hid" the extension, 'cause I must've accidentally activated in-place editing, selected the extension, and then pressed Delete! Now this file is shown wrong, even if I've said "show all filename extensions", and all other files' extensions are visible! Brilliant.

      So yeah, this MS procedure is totally unacceptable, but anyone who claims the Finder is better has never used it.
    • digga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@palmer

      You said: "Uh, yeah. Try highlighting stuff on your desktop and pressing Delete. What happens? NOTHING. So go ahead, put 8 miles a day on your mouse dragging stuff to the trash."

      Try hitting Command-Delete. What happens? Selected files/folders get moved to the trash. Simple!
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Palmer,

      I don't understand your rant about file extensions. I've never wanted to change one on my Mac. I just tried it for fun and it was easy. What do you do that requires changing extensions often? I think extensions are on their way out in OS X anyway (with the relatively new Uniform Type Identifiers). I will agree that Finder needs lots of attention though.
    • stoops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm pretty sure he was joking, I lol'd at it.
  • ZombieNixon, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25I guess this is what passes for 'secure' in Vista.

    Of course if people find it to annoying and turn it off Microsoft can turn around and say its not their fault the OS isn't secure.
    • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Remember, Windows 95 was more secure than 3.1 because it asked for a password. It must be secure!

      Anyways, people will get so sick of these things they'll just keep clicking OK until they go away. Yeah, that's a great way to build in security and safety for the user.

      /Mac user
      //Linux user
    • mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Sounds like in Vista, SECURE=NEEDLESSLY INCONVENIENT
    • Snarl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just as long as it's not the old axiom of SECURE = SORRY REINSTALL = NEEDLESSLY INCONVENIENT.
  • TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30It's because it's a system shortcut. If you have a shortcut for a game or text file on the desktop and try to delete it it works fine.
    • wistar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Yeah, there's a bit of bias wrapped into the article.

      Even so, it looks like it'd only be marginally more annoying--and much less frequent--than typing in CAPTCHA for every comment on this site.
    • DanielYH, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14but it's a "shortcut", it shouldnt be so hard.
    • trib4lmaniac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The captchas disappear after a while. At least, they have for me (:
  • jskier89, on 10/12/2007, -23/+20i'm switching to mac.
    • jordanrobbins, on 10/12/2007, -34/+15Mac as an operating system is like Canada in North America.

      Really nice people that no one really pays attention to, that always play second fiddle to the USA (pc).

    • greatclare, on 10/12/2007, -8/+38Yeah, and both Canada and Apples are better and more friendly than the US and PCs :)
    • Aamir, on 10/12/2007, -12/+9lol, agreed
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -15/+6That's it! I'm getting a PC.
    • startrek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I'll just never get used to not having a right-click button. Every time I walk into an Apple Store I make a fool out of myself because I keep using my middle finger to click something, the wonderfully shiny box will sometimes open up a porn site just to show how ignorant I must be of Mac's.
    • OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2No they're not. Apple cultists are vicious little beasties.

      (wrong thread, damned reply buttons)
  • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30Sounds like making yourself a full access administrator will be more popular than ever.
    • eosp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15No, you still have to go through the "are you sure?" boxes.
    • artanis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Because the default "administrator" in Vista doesn't have full administrator access...

      (Really!)
    • Barlo_Mung, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2run secpol.msc from the run line. Select the option to turn off the warning for admin.
      Done.
  • stinkpot, on 10/12/2007, -13/+12i wonder if the virii will also have to go through 7 steps to wipe your hd.
    • Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -25/+20Virii isn't a word you moron.
    • HackWithRamzi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15No, it gets the express route. It's windows, a virus first world.

      Microsoft enhanced haha.
    • SoAnIs, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2Virus is the nominative singular, but it's a group word, so it doesn't really have a plural.
      Virus is a possible plural, as is viruses. Vir%u016Bs would fit it as fourth declension masculine (proable.)
      Case Ending Declined Form English
      Singular
      Nominative %u016Bs virus (a, the) virus
      Genitive %u2013u-s viru%u016Bs of (a, the) virus/(a, the) virus's
      Dative %u2013ui%u012B virui%u012B to, for (a, the) virus
      Accusative %u2013um virum (a, the) virus
      Vocative %u2013us Virus! (The) Virus!
      Ablative %u2013%u016B vir%u016B by, with, from (a, the) virus
      Locative %u2013%u016B vir%u016B at (a, the) virus's
      Plural
      Nominative %u2013%u016Bs vir%u016Bs (the) virus
      Genitive %u2013uum viruum of (the) virus'/(the) virus'
      Dative %u2013ibus lacibus to, for (the) virus
      Accusative %u2013%u016Bs vir%u016Bs (the) virus
      Vocative %u2013%u016Bs Vir%u016Bs! (The) Virus!
      Ablative %u2013ibus viribus by, with, from (the) virus
      Locative %u2013ibus viribus at (the) virus'

      Edit: formatting got messed up... It's an umlatted u. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_declension has an example with lake.
  • MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8That's only because it's in the All Users folder, and not owned by the current user.

    But yes, UAC needs work.
  • Linkage155, on 10/12/2007, -16/+19"BETA"...
  • TheBrady, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13You guys need to remember this is BETA software and the reason for all the confirmations is the UAC control which has been changing quite a bit with every build. They are still nailing UAC down - This is bound to change before it ships.

    Remember they have said they expect another delay for the home versions of vista. I would like to give MS a pat on the back for this. They take so much heat from the press for pushing vista back, but I think this is proof that they don't intend on releasing a product that isn't ready for the public.
    • Machine, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18And the change will be...

      "Click this box if you want me to stop asking you if you're sure that you want to delete this shortcut."

      "Are you sure you want to click this box?"

      "Keep in mind that clicking this box will mean that I will stop asking you if you want to delete this shortcut."

      "Don't you WANT me to remind you? Don't you like me? You paid enough for this computer and now you don't want to hear from it. Honestly I should have gone off and been a toaster like my old man..."
  • tokyo, on 10/12/2007, -32/+13i smell mac fanboys



    it's a freaking BETA
  • matthall28, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19If it ships like this, then i will have no choice but to buy a mac
    • redneckblues, on 10/12/2007, -12/+9Or turn the feature off.
    • dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Don't you know? Turning the feature off just generates another set of warning dialogs informing you of how risky it is using the computer without the safety system of 1,001 dialogs.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6WHy is turning the feature off considered an okay solution. People are going to have to pay a load of money for this bloated crap only to throw out ove rhalf of it before they get to a useable OS. Keep throwing your cash away buddy, you sound like you must have plenty.

      Oh, I just heard, Microsoft is going to make a new laptop bttery that works by buring your cash.
    • omarqaz7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@redneckblues

      Feature???? When did this become a feature?
    • JamesWilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6or buy a PC without windows install linux?
    • n00854180t, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@Noahhoward:

      Calm down man. No one was ever actually planning on *buying* Vista anyway. People will either run a late beta version or end up downloading the release later on. Pshaw, pay money for Windows. Yeaah, right.
  • ProphetSix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32Microsoft - You're got questions, we've got dancing paperclips.
    • DtectiveGFriday, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14you're got questions? really?
  • sonoca, on 10/12/2007, -15/+11People have to understand its a beta!!!
    • HeaDiggrNCharge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17The beta get that ***** fixed!
  • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -31/+5This site should change the adress for www.mostuserareretardedtohell.com

    Stupid mac and linux fanboy. Fanboys are so retarded.
    • defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9With logic like that, you might want to leave your Windows Fanboyism in the car while here...
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yes godsun, yes, fanboys are retarded. And I am startign to notice the first fanboys to any article are Microsoft Fanboys. Someone rips you off hands you an operating system with so much crap it nearly implodes your machine and you just drop to your knees in front of their fly... good for you.
    • jotajota3, on 11/28/2007, -0/+3now that's some funny ***** you said there, noahhoward!
  • drwatson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8How about holding the shift key and hitting delete to bypass the recycle bin?
    • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14How about just deleting something when I hit delete? Sometimes simpler is actually better.
    • Nerfdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1i'm sure you'll be able to turn off the confirm dialogue, much like you can in xp.
  • joebloom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Hilarious.

    I've heard plenty on Microsoft being way too safety concious with whatever the user is trying to do, being it open web apps, or deleting things ~ like this.

    I'm not really sure this is a bug, more of a safety freak gone wild moment of some sort.
  • Azio, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19This issue was solved in build 5365. No digg.
    • zweben, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Then what is the process to delete a shortcut in the latest build? Drag to recycle bin + Empty recycle bin?

      Or is it not quite there yet?
    • Azio, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7If it's a system shortcut, it makes you enter an admin password. Subsequent deletes don't bug you at all.
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Technically, no. Beta 2 is build 5384. I tried this on my B2 system and had exactly the same behavior. It's 3 clicks in later builds.

      That said, I expected UAC in Beta 2 to be cumbersome. A big user base providing consistent feedback is the best way to force change.
  • Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -12/+4The reason Beta 2 was released is so that Microsoft could show everyone what the _finished product_ looks and acts like.
    • elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3No, that would be the release of the _Finished product_ There's a reason that this isn't the _finished product_ yet.
    • Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Hm, your blatant sarcasm filter is broken. Please take it out of the tray, clean it off, and determine if it needs replacing. If so, please call 1-800-SAR-CASM.
  • dixonr315, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Even though this is a BETA, why would they even go through the trouble of creating this many steps only to get rid of them? I think this sums up the overall development cycle of this OS, while it may turn out ok in the end, this shows there was really no direction or good project planning to complete such a massive overhaul.
  • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11The Windows family is terminally ill. XP was it's last healthy sibling. Conversely, the OSX family is doing very well, and the Linux family is about to give birth to a new Ubuntu. There are options people, use them or suffer this crap.
    • HackWithRamzi, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13The MacBook is very competitively priced. Go OSX.
    • jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8macs can run windows now. and it will only be a matter of time (if not already) before a GRUB-like deal is made for them so you can triple-boot.
  • jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8MS is taking cues from that prank site that pops up a billion javascript dialogs... how friggin' annoying!
  • Kupotek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8I think the point is, each delete dialog refers to a specific type of deletion. In the final product you won't get all 5 every time. Seems obvious to me. This is a beta so they have all of them enabled so they can be tested.
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6What seems obvious to you may not been for retards.
      And as we know, intelligence is not really given here.
  • tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6I think this is a pretty good indication that Microsoft is really serious about security now... OK, maybe a little too serious... like... really really serious.
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6They all want microsoft to work on security but when they does they all cry to remove it.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Creating a million popups is not patching major system holes. This security system is from the people who brought you IE 6 the most flawed piece of software ever from a security standpoint. Mac and Linux may not be impervious but they are a hell of a lot better than this ***** and it doesn't take an army of security tools.
  • C2H5OH, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I am curious how many dialogs there will be when the "windows defence" removes a warm/virus/malware
    • wistar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Huh?
    • CrimsonBlur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What the... haha, man, how do you click on and then comment in the completely wrong submission? Good thing people read before they post replies on this site...

      UPDATE: Haha, oops! Good save on the editing job C2H50H!

      I'm pretty sure all of these windows pop up though because the icon is basically a pre-installed file put there by the Admin account, which requires authentication, etc. While I agree it's a bit excessive, I doubt any normal user would run into this problem in the final release unless they were trying to delete protected system files.
    • liquidrums, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What the hell are you talking about?
    • DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Windows Defender"?
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17This is a great example of why an operating system must be developed with security as a main goal from day one. You cannot go back 15 years later and duct tape on some security wizards and dialog boxes and expect a high level of security OR usability.
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6Try to explain this to linux and mac fanboys.
    • noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5GODSUN.... what are you 12? How friggin stupid can you be? When did Mac and linux go back 15 years and slap on Security suites? Pull your head out of Bills ass and get some oxygen the methane is affecting your brain.
  • Embrace, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Well, at least no one can say they "Accidentally" deleted a shortcut...
  • klepto, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7Windows, Mac, Linux

    They all suck. I'm surprised people are content with the state of these operating systems.

    But just like any other bitcher, I use them all =)
  • cpmoser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21This vaguely reminds me of when, back around 1996 or so, Microsoft placed a shortcut for IE on the desktop named "The Internet". Putting the shortcut into the trash promptly brought up the dialog, "Are you sure you want to delete The Internet?"
  • mpancha, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15at the time of my post, 214 people dugg a bug in BETA software? How has mankind survived this long?

    Reported as lame for complaining to the internet about a bug in beta software, instead of to Microsoft.
    • Nerfdude, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10it seems the vast majority of users on here have fat apple boners. it's just something you have to deal with...

      personally, i've been using vista, and i've been loving it. can't wait for the final version :D
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Im not sure how they did. I think it proove good existence...
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7Sounds like you have a Microsoft boner then.
    • ZombieNixon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not a bug - it's a security 'feature'
  • panic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Yeah, I gotta admit, that's the only major complaint I have about Vista. I'm running it currently and I love it. The only annoyance is the fact that everything you do prompts you, sometimes several times. Everytime you run a progrma for the first time, you get prompted. Certain apps (like notepad.exe) will prompt you with a checkbox saying "Dont ask me again for thsi program". Other things, like control panel items, will prompt you every time and dont give you the option to not be prompted in the future.
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What? How are you getting prompted to run notepad.exe? Are you logged in as Guest?
    • panic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually it occurs when I do a View Source in IE7. I haven't tried notepad.exe by itself. Several other programs have caused me to get prompted though, as well. I'm logged in as a user with admin privileges *shrug*
    • saska, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hm. If you're viewing source from IE7 in protected mode, you're allowing IE7 to launch an application outside of its "sandbox". I suspect if you don't run in that sandbox mode, you won't get the prompt.
  • Roger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I hope they update all those old Windows 95/98 icons scattered all over.
  • rasbill, on 10/12/2007, -33/+4I THINK ITS SO FUNNY THAT LINUX PEOPLE BITCH ABOUT SECURITY AND ITS ADDED AND THEY BITCH ITS TOO INTRUSIVE, YA IVE USED LINUX, ABOUT EVERY COOL THING NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM COMMAND LINE OR FROM EDITING A TEXT FILE, AND U GET THE SAME KIND OF WARNINGS AND HAVE TO LOGIN AS ADMIN TO CHANGE MANY THINGS, AT LEAST IN WINDOWS U CAN CLICK THRU IT INSTEAD OF COMMAND LINE, ALSO AS FAR AS IT BEING EASIER FOR VIRUSES, I SAY IF U CANT TAKE A SECOND TO READ A WARNING WINDOW IN WINDOWS LINUX OR OSX, THEN ***** YA. ANYWAY THIS IS BETA SOFTWARE, ITS A SYSTEM SHORTCUT, AND IM SURE IF U LOGIN AS ADMIN U WONT HAVE THESE PROBLEMS, OH YEAH AND SO U ALL KNOW, THATS WHAT THE LINUX PEOPLE HAVE TO DO, LOGIN AS ADMIN TO DO HALF OF ANYTHING, SO TAKE THERE RANTS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT, OH AND OSX USERS ARE JUST ***** BECAUSE OSX ISNT GONNA BE THE ONLY "PRETTY" GUI ANYMORE BOO ***** HOO
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25HOW THE HELL DID YOU GET OUT OF YOUR CAGE? BACK YOU GO.
    • joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8*SHOCK THE MONKEY*. I do agree though. People will complain that it is too intrusive and I hope they dont' back down. We wouldn't need this if people didn't do stupid ***** all the time (plus you can disable it through msconfig if you want).
    • jordanrobbins, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Besides the emphatic type, I agree.
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5There is 2 kind of retards.
      Those you can't understand it,s a beta.
      And those you know it's a beta but just bash it because they are in love with mac or linux.
    • FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6FLEE DEMON FLEE!
    • barthosch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I'm not reading that crap. Summerize it in one word!
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7> I'm not reading that crap. Summerize it in one word!

      FELTCH.
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5> There is 2 kind of retards.

      I believe you just called yourself a retard. It's understandable considering the circumstances life placed you under.
    • Snarl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@GODSUN

      Actually, there's another reason to bash on it, even though it's Beta. It's that, after many, many years of designing operating systems and getting a feel for what users find "intrusively inconvenient", that Microsoft would get it that wrong when designing a Beta.

      I understand from an earlier comment that it's not even a current Beta, so they've probably tweaked the obnoxiousness down by now, but it's still boggling that MS would throw that out to testers in the first place. It implies that they didn't know what sort of response they'd get.
  • joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Put your fanboy flag down for a second and take a look at this.

    1. It is a "system" or "All Users" shortcut. It is warning you that deleting this is not a good idea. The point of this new system is to protect the users from themself and make them think a second about what they are doing. It will not ask this for a personalized shortcut located in your profile.

    2. There is a "bug" in how it is working. I am sure it will addressed since it is a rather obvious one.

    So far I am sorta impressed with Vista (the memory usage is a little steep, but for those who are not using 5 year old computers from a yard sale it is fine). If not, some of the technologies are coming to Windows XP (such as the indexer service) that will make your XP experience better. I hope Microsoft sticks to their guns on this and forces a user install and an admin login that you cannot actively login without doing some work. Even if they don't, hell it it stops a lot of the security issues they completed their primary goal that is moving more people away from their platform than anything else.

    --Josh
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5> 1. It is a "system" or "All Users" shortcut.

      So it's not a bug, but a design flaw that dates back to Windows NT 3.5? That's much better.

      Every release of Windows has included an major attempt to fix the problems with the Program Manager/Start Menu and each release has fallen short of the mark. I see Vista continues that tradition.
  • GhengisKhan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Heck, with a mac I can drag the whole app to the trash to get rid of it. Why the hell would I want to go back to this nonsense?
  • dolson, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Windows Vista For Dummies - not just a book title.
  • wonkavsn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5A little off topic, but in every pic I see of window rotations and whatnot.. why are the edges so full of jaggies?
    Is there an anti-aliasing option?
    • MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It's not finished. We'll probably see something nicer by the first RC.
  • SkyKid14, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I dunno about Microsoft designing their operating system from the ground up like this. Sounds too much like American Automakers starting from scratch everytime they remodel a car. The result is always disappointing. I'm crossing my fingers that Msoft gets Vista "right", but I won't be holding my breath.
  • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Apparently if you say no to any of those dialogs it puts a 1984 picture of Bill Gates smoking weed on your desktop and you can't remove it.
  • pidge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I love Windows Vista. It has so many annoyances that for the first time, I don't feel the urge to upgrade my system to the next latest and greatest operating system (I currently am running Windows MCE 2005). In the past, I've gone from Windows 3.1 -> 95 -> 98 -> 98SE -> Windows 2000 -> Windows Me (only reason for leaving 2000 was because ATI couldn't release a good Win2K Rage Furry Max driver and I got tired of waiting) -> WinXP -> WinMCE.
  • prameya, on 10/12/2007, -16/+7i love microsoft... i love windows vista, i love the new office, i love ie7... microsoft is the best~! and the steps,.... well, its a beta, and thats to protect me from doing anything wrong, if i am too good and sure of everything i do, i can easily turn the "need admin pass thing" off from the control panel, if you are unlazy enough to read the article, digg it, read the comment then i am sure if you are unbias and not "antimicrosoft" you can take a few minutes (seconds actually) to goto the control panel to change the setting.. i figured a way, i am sure you will, specially if you are a regular digg reader... and the person who created the screenshot sure knows how to figure it out.. and yeah... i am preety sure that the person who created the album "requested" for the vista beta.. he wasn't requested to run it... anyway.. microsoft is cool~! :)
    • jordanrobbins, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Easy on this guy!
      :-)
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3prameya is one of the few wich is not affected by jealousy.
      Most that hate Bill Gate are very jealous, it's a knonw fact.

      Everytimes someone does better than everybody else, he got bashed by a bunch of jealous monkey.
    • FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12people like you scare me
    • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2You are probaly scare of your own shadow if you wanna know.
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10> he got bashed by a bunch of jealous monkey
      > You are probaly scare of your own shadow if you wanna know.

      You might want to work on your grammar, you retarded albino gimp.
  • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14I've said it before and I'll say it again: NEXTSTEP's application and framework bundles are a far better way to abstract the file system than Windows' (and Gnome's and KDE's) Program Groups/Shortcuts/Start Menu scheme.

    Go back and read that first warning dialog again (it's present in Win2K and XP as well). It basically says "You've reached the point at which the Windows desktop abstraction completely breaks down. Sorry."

    Windows has always had its good points and its bad points, but it's a shame that even in 2006, Microsoft's latest and greatest (and long overdue) operating system is still plagued by 16 year-old design blunders. (That's not to say that everything that old is bad. NEXTSTEP is 17 years old, after all.)
    • palmer, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0How do they differ from the Mac's? Because those are pure genius. Especially the "Contents" directory, which does nothing but hold the "contents" of the parent directory.

      I wonder if whoever designed that carries a wallet inside an otherwise empty wallet. And a money clip inside that.
  • macjonesnz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5This is a bit like crying wolf too many times, hitting the "Yup I really do confirm that, OK!" button will become second nature and no user will read the fact that they just OK'd the sasser worm or worse to have a home on their system.

  • SpamMeMucho, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Good Ol' Bill at it again.
  • maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8I like how people use the "This is a beta!" excuse.

    Vista has been in development for years, and has been on beta for a very long time now.

    Why hasn't these problems (that we've been reading about since way back when the betas started) been fixed?

    Because they arent going to be.

    Sucks for Vista users.
    • joshwehatetech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Perhaps it is because they were in the development phase of the "BETA" and have been for awhile (rather a joke can be made if anything was developed is up to you). I am pretty sure the feature set is "set" and they will start to work on things such as this and dropping a few things or tweeking a few things here and there. I am sure if this happened in Linux we would call it a security improvement and file it under a new addition :-).
  • GODSUN, on 10/12/2007, -16/+4maiku00 is a retard, digg me if you are agree!
    • maiku00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6haha, dont kill the messenger. I feel bad for you!
    • zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4GODSUN, please pass some of that wicked herb around for the rest of us to enjoy.
  • avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5This is just a blatant copy of OS X.. oh wait you don't go through this crap to delete an icon.. you just drag it to the bin..

    ooooh minty.. will you ever learn!

    • palmer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Uh, it's way more of a copy than you make it out to be. In fact, this is the best support yet for anyone who says Vista is a Mac rip-off.

      Ridiculous confirmations (and disregard for admin privileges) are an OS X hallmark.
    • shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1disregard for admin? compared to ms? you must be nuts
  • av4rice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0So care-bear =(

    I'm sure there will be options to turn off excessive confirmations, though. Or at least some easy mods to make it happen. Sucks if Vista will be like that by default, but that doesn't mean it has to be like that forever.
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