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- Trepan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5the important story here is that MS has adopted a linux kernel style of development, not the title of the article which you probably didn't read
- moila, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Poor little MS engineers! They work so hard and on top of that they get wiped by the Monster Srivastava and go to "Bug Jail". Remember them working in there sweet shop like conditions and please, PLEASE forgive them if you run across a bug in windows Vista! It's not there fault, they are trying to change!
- TheBaumer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This definately gives me a little hope that vista will not turnout to be a complete piece of *****.
- Bluezdood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Great article. +digg
- compu73rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can't wait for Vista to be released so I can laugh when within the first week there's so huge ass IE hole that lets anyone hijack someone's computer and turn it into a huge porn zombie. I laugh in the face of Microsoft.
- squeakyg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have long agreed with my friends that Microsoft did as good as they probably will get with the NT technology with Windows XP. It would take a hellava difference like them switching over to a Linux kernel for me to even consider buying another OS from them.....
- ReyBrujo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1By late October, Mr. Srivastava's team was beginning to automate the testing that had historically been done by hand. If a feature had too many bugs, software "gates" rejected it from being used in Longhorn. If engineers had too many outstanding bugs they were tossed in "bug jail" and banned from writing new code. The goal, he says, was to get engineers to "do it right the first time."
Not bad, quite similar with most open source projects. It is good that they finally decided to adopt a different process. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1About time MS started from scratch and built something properly.
- stutterbug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The article cited here is from "SmartOffice" and is a respinning of the Wall Street Journal's article, "Microsoft Changes How It Builds Software" and has a completely different tone. Read the original here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112743680328349448,00.html?mod=most%5Fviewed%5Fday - hypnotoad1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, but if it put that as a title, who would look at the article?
- pussyWagon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"In 2001 Microsoft made a documentary film celebrating the creation of Windows XP"
Wow would I love to see that! - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I have long agreed with my friends that Microsoft did as good as they probably will get with the NT technology with Windows XP. It would take a hellava difference like them switching over to a Linux kernel for me to even consider buying another OS from them....."
Can you explain what is fundamentally flawed with the NT core? The problem is not the core OS, but the way security is being implemented by default (e.g. default Administrative users). Also there is a complete lack of effort to educate users about NT's security capabilities, or to provide any reasonable means for which the average user to take advantage of them. Even some more advanced users are still completely unaware of Windows' "RunAs" services and tools. - vikramkr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Before you say "old ;o", just because the title of the story has "Microsoft" in it, read the date. The story just came out...tommorow? lol.
Anyways, it was a good read. This may be the first real "big-step" Microsoft is taking to create better software. - siouxmoux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It about time, Windows been broke since windoze 3.11 for workgroups
- Raptor235, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ya this gives us some hope for ms in the end the more better software there is out there the better the world is :)
- xyritheon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"But the more Google and other software makers encroach on Microsoft's turf, the greater the chance that someday computer users will wake up and find Microsoft Windows superfluous."
someday???? what about today...... - Nullifidian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"he and Mr. Ballmer needed to make sure that the recommendations from Mr. Allchin's group were sound."
What a dolt. I swear Gates knows nothing about how to build a real OS based on tried and true methods handed down from Mainframes to Unix. He is such a computer dumbass that a small part of me wants their next OS to fail completely. - brucebeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Long 3 page article.. yet i find it very interesting. I honestly truly hope Vista will be a "revolution".
- anagami, on 07/02/2008, -0/+0When less is better, 65+ million lines of spaghetti code are simply meant to fell down in a really ugly and pathethic way. Windows users have a limit of tolerance for incompetence and mediocre quality (I hope).
- maxtor2002, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Read the part where alchin tell bill that windows is broken.
This was said in mid 2004, this news story is too old - samgab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would SO be into a Google OS. I like everything they do right now. I love Picasa 2. I think my Gmail account is great. Who'd have thought a free email account would have more than 2.6GB!! I use the google portal as a homepage. I could go on. Anyway, I'm excited to hear what this "secret" event is all about...
- shanmac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is a breath of fresh air. You don't hear good news about Microsoft too often. It will take a while to change the corporate culture there. The company is just too big. They should delay Vista until 2007 until they get everything right. I won't be buying a half-baked Vista in late 2006, especially without WinFS. Spend the time and do a good job. It in the meantime I'll use my Mac.
- JetTredmont, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"for Apple to make money selling the OS separately(enough to justify it hurting their hardware sales), they have to get MAJOR computer makers to offer it preinstalled"
Psst. Keep this quiet, just between us folks. But, I hear Apple already has some really solid agreements with a MAJOR computer maker to offer OS X preinstalled!
You heard it here first! - tehvsx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0linsux
- Soma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is when microsoft devs are glad that Bill Gates isn't Steve Jobs
- Karasuhebi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here's the Google cache for the page. Yay for Google:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:7NPf4UMzHLAJ:www.smartofficenews.com.au/Computing/Platforms_And_Applications%3Farticle%3D/Computing/Platforms%2520And%2520Applications/News/E5T7U6H8+&hl=en
-Karasuhebi - HMTKSteve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The article is now gone.
I got a 404 error... - Chasin_Fat_Kids, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I personally hope Vista is great even though I won't be giving up my Mac anytime soon; competition ya know. Oh, and OS X86 will never be supported officially on any PC. Apple is different in one aspect that it will always try to control the total user experience, i.e. the hardware and the OS. Something I prefer but not for everyone. And I believe Apple is going out of it's way to make sure it can't run on a PC, nothing is fool proof though.
- xerox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ill stick to debian and OSX.
- zenghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hmmm...i suspect a downfall..
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Has Microsoft finally woken the ***** up? What's it been 10 years since we've been screaming about dumping all the Windows code and starting from scratch?
- birdadderley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As far as servers go, major corporations will never give up Active Directory. The ideal is a comination of server operating systems. Certain functions will be on a *nix base (backend/database) while other functions will be on a Windows base (frontend). What you start to realize is that the leaders in big business don't care how it works, as long as it works (much like email).
- DrMerle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"1. They have to throw out all that hardware."
Not if they release OSX86 in a retail box..
"2. They have to learn to use an entirely different style of OS"
Um, if they could manage to deal with Windoze, OSX will be a ***** breeze..
3. Macs cost the $!
Dollar for dollar Mac's are a much higher quality machine than any Dell, Gateway, HP, etc... Take the Mac Mini for example, sure it's a toy, but it blows away any 500 dollar Dell...
4. What benefits do macs offer for businesses?
Um, how about stability for starters??? - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>>>> If they could manage to use Windoze...
Windows XP is not harder to use than OSX. It's different. That difference means a large amount of training. Non-computer illiterate people are capable of doing what they want to do _NOW_ with xp/2000, why remove the taskbar, start button, offer 3 circles instead of definite open/close buttons and generally move everything around? Productivity will be lower as people slowly learn the ins/outs of this OS.
>>>>What benefits does OSX offer?
>>>Um, how about stability for starters???
No, Stability is offered in Either OS. Windows 9x was never used as a server. It's always been NT, UNIX/Linux or DOS. All three are reliable, stable and tested. Mac's server offerings are not standard, not tested, and not proven to be reliable.
>>>>Dollar for dollar Mac's are a much higher quality machine than any Dell, Gateway, HP, etc... Take the Mac Mini for example, sure it's a toy, but it blows away any 500 dollar Dell...
The Mac Mini does not include the $150+ screen + $50 KB/Mouse, An HP/IBM equivalent will. Plus, the HP/IBM equivalent will be EXPANDABLE, customisable, and flexible. You are able to change OSes with it. I don't really consider Dell as a business solution. It's more consumery :P
>>>>Not if they release OSX86 in a retail box..
Ah. But they havent, have they? And even if they do, it's NEW. It'll be buggy as all getout. There will be massive amounts of driver problems. We're talking real world computing, not mac evangelism theories. On Mac's side, the OS wont be fully ready until at least the second version. Jobs has stated he's not creating new versions until a couple of years from now. Businesses will wait until v3, if for nothing else, because of habit. Then, there would have to be MASSIVE training for staff + IT. It will not happen instantly, and by the time it becomes feasable, it'll be easier & cheaper just to upgrade to windows vista. - Joe_rigby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yaaay
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0>>Then why have so many been switching, and also to Linux servers? Don't you think that most people would rather work with a GUI than deal with Linux?
No. No, large businesses. The kind with employees. Not 'switch' businesses, the ones that are part of Apple's marketing campaign. - DrMerle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Oh cmon. You can't be serious. No competent business will support OSx86!"
Then why have so many been switching, and also to Linux servers? Don't you think that most people would rather work with a GUI than deal with Linux? - Brady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Horrible title for the story - but great read.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Well, anyone who wants to flame Windows, go right ahead, but truth be told ... this is a move by Microsoft to improve their software instead of delivering a buggy piece of worthless compiled code to their customers. Yeah, "windows sucks" but if I company makes an effort (and wastes a TON of development time) just to make sure they release a quality product ... why get angry at them? Would you rather they release Vista right *now* and bitch about it for the next 5 years? Give 'em a chance please.
- SpookyMan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windblows has always been broken...so what the big news?
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry for double post.
Yes, companies have been switching to Linux. It's a smart move for many of them. But not mac. Why not?
1. They have to throw out all that hardware.
2. They have to learn to use an entirely different style of OS
3. Macs cost the $!
4. What benefits do macs offer for businesses? - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0#karhzee: Again, It is becoming almost comical how quickly people bash Microsoft. I have used Windows computers for years and have never had any real software related problems.
You have to turn it on. ;=) - GTAcrimelord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is just plain funny.
- qster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bring back dos
- nickstang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Has this restored your faith in purchasing the 'NEW' longhorn? They have 'rebuilt it from the ground up'.
The current fashionable trait is to get leaders to 'admit they were wrong'. How does this compare to the current domestic admitance of wrong doing from Bush in the handling of the '05 Katrina huricane response? ...The public seems to be eating this kind of thing up right now. FANTASTIC MARKETING PLOY. - DrMerle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"No. No, large businesses. The kind with employees. Not 'switch' businesses, the ones that are part of Apple's marketing campaign."
You sure about that?
http://lair.xent.com/pipermail/fork/Week-of-Mon-20050718/036001.html
"Nine percent of companies with 250 employees or more used Mac OS X Server, while 14 percent of companies with 10,000 employees or more used Apple's Server software."
It's funny but from what I can figure, 9-14% server market share is more than the 4.5% of consumer market share... That doesn't seem so bad to me... - pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"-but from this presentation that I viewed on-line, (some MS monkey boy) it showed the OS was buggy as Hell and sssllllloooowwww and even crashed when they tried to load up a game--Quake 2 or 3 some other ***** game"
Please, feel free to show me this supposed presentation of a "***** game" (btw, quake 2 & 3 are not *****, ty ..). I'd love to see your evidence of how buggy this was. I saw plenty of videos about Vista that showed the operating system running quite stably and with some pretty nifty 3D features. - krahzee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DrMerle:
1)As far as the learning curve, I was speaking of specific commands, functions etc in the OS. I don't claim that OSX is harder to use than Windows, what I meant is that if you've been using Windows 98 up until this point, it is easier to go to Xp than it would be to go to OSX and understand almost everything right away(the software dully installed, Not the process of adding it). Case in point, my father uses 98 at work and Xp at home and never has to ask for help. I had him try Knoppix once after I booted it up. Pretty ugly scene.
"Second, the fact that the average user just wants to surf the web, use e-mail, etc. proves my point even more, the main argument from anyone about why people shouldn't want to switch to OSX is that they wouldn't be able to run the programs that they need to run"
2) Or that they don't want to pay twice for the same features. If OSX costs $200, let's say, to buy, why would someone want to pay for it just to check their email, type a letter or browse the web? On a Dell they just bought with windows preinstalled?
They won't. It's the same reason alot of users still use WM Player over the third party players out there. Not that it's better, but it already does what they want it to do and it's already installed.
Make no mistake about it, for Apple to make money selling the OS separately(enough to justify it hurting their hardware sales), they have to get MAJOR computer makers to offer it preinstalled. Otherwise they lose all of the novice users out there who can't be bothered to install it themselves, but don't want to spend the money to buy an Apple.
- Karasuhebi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Same. Someone got a mirror?
-Karasuhebi -
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