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- taotehue, on 10/12/2007, -31/+134He should buy a mac anyway, maybe it would inspire him to make better stuff.
- theone3, on 11/08/2007, -13/+83I don't get why people buy the 24 inch iMac - it's such a waste of a good screen. A 24 inch screen could last you almost 10 years if it weren't tied to hardware that would be obselete in 3. You may as well buy the Mac Pro and a seperate 24" screen.
- TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+54he is retiring when Vista launches
- DCMacHead, on 11/08/2007, -3/+51Is he still the Windows Development Chief?
- sishgupta, on 11/08/2007, -7/+54You KNOW you've made a mistake as a software development company when the developers hate the software. This guy is the head dev no less.
- AmishRefugee, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39"the software vendor had 'lost sight' of customers' needs"
ya think? - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31Its not embarrassing, its bold.
What sort of office environment are you allowed to praise the products of the competition and keep your job and position? Only in an open and progressive one. - navvvv, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3924inch imac, loaded with ram + parallels = the perfect solution.
heck you could even add an external monitor and have that dedicated for windows and the main imac screen for osx. - oOLiquidNightOo, on 11/08/2007, -21/+47"lemme know when a gaming platform comparable to that of XP comes out. Thanks."
let me know when you need to do something more than play games on your pc. you know, when you grows up and becomes a big boy. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37I disagree with the above poster, Microsoft has been known for radical changes, Windows 98 -> Windows 2000 was a dramatic shift. XP was a big change too. Office 2007 is light-years beyond Office 2003 and in many ways a far more solid product than its competitors.
Microsoft is just proving what we've known all along, for years the company started getting lazy and stagnant, now that the competition is heating up, its starting to get aggressive as well.
Lets be honest here, Vista isn't half bad and is honestly pretty, and Office 2007 is marvelous. Their new Office Accounting may give Quicken a run for its money, and OneNote is fantastic. XBOX 360 is doing great in the USA and European markets, when many thought Microsoft wouldn't even be a competitor by 2004. - saska, on 11/08/2007, -3/+28And years later, the priorities he listed were worked into the processes for developing Vista. God forbid the man have an opinion, state it in private e-mail to his fellow officers, and then champion change.
After all, if Microsoft changes, who will you bash? - TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26you're correct, Vista hasn't changed in the 3 years since he wrote that private email...
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25Work for mac? Who's mac?
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26No, you are wrong. ~90 percent of Windows owners own Windows because it came on there Dell, NOT because they like it. I was reminded this today when I was at the library with a girl today and I rebooted my MacBook into Windows and she said "Ew. I have Windows and it's boring, go back to Mac!" I interpreted that as she would gladly install OS X on her computer, but too bad Apple doesn't want to sell it other companies per say Dell or VAIO.
- rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23"let me know when you need to do something more than play games on your pc. you know, when you grows up and becomes a big boy."
Any thing I need to do on OSX, I can do in Linux or Windows. The one thing I can't do as well with OSX or Unbuntu is gaming. Its the ace in the hole that keeps Windows around. I know I would of ditched XP long ago for unbuntu or debian if it weren't for the gaming. - greatblackowl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Not publicly -- privately, in an email sent to Ballmer and Gates
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26I may be in the minority on this (as it seems thru comments) but I personally HATE Office 2007. Its the same thing as 2003 with the Ribbon added, which I also hate, it is too confusing and I find myself spending five minutes at a time looking for a function. It is all for looks, it seems like they took 2003, made it a floating window...thing and then just jumbled the features around and said "Look! We made a brand new one! now pay me 200 dollars for our hard work!" I have yet to see another person who agrees with me :(
The same applies to VIsta too, just copy and paste that paragraph and replace "Office 2007" with VIsta and 2003 as...well...Windows 2003 or XP lol - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Everything in a Mac is standard components. Except for the motherboard, and in some cases the power supply. But Dell is the exact same way. Dell's ship with non standard motherboards, and sometimes non standard power supplies.
The GPU's, CPU's, RAM, hard drives, cabling... it's all standard. In fact, someone's already thrown the new Intel quad core chips into a Mac Pro. Worked perfectly, and certainly not Apple condoned. - pierrefilms, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19The email may have been sent in Jan of 2004, but the article by ComputerWorld was written Today...Dec 11th 2006.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22@LyoLoco
"Because games are for just for kids? Riiight. I encode video, I download music, I do school work for my college classes. I use my PC for lots of things, but at the end of the day, sometimes you just wanna blow off some steam. But then if gaming is just for kids, well, I guess Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony all are about to have a really bad Christmas season this year."
Hahah, you're a kid yourself and not even aware of it. - astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14You're a ***** idiot.
- pixelperfect, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@Gottschalk
"Choose Windows"? I don't think so!
I don't know ANYONE that chose Windows to be installed - it is just what was on box when they bought it - they don't even know that there is a choice!
'Choosing' requires at least a 2nd option PC's sold these days do not have one. - chrishavel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"Microsoft has been known for radical changes, Windows 98 -> Windows 2000"
Er, wasn't Windows 2000 basically built out of Windows NT (which dates back to 1993)? Moving from Windows 98 --> Windows 2000 as the consumer product was just smart thinking (putting a consumer face on a decent, stable, legacy OS (NT)), rather than anything radical. For my money, Windows 2000 is the most usable thing Microsoft has done lately, and it's what I prefer when I need to do something my Mac doesn't. - joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -19/+31theone3 - Apple hardware isn't obsolete in 3 years. Hell, I was just recording some music with a 5 year old PowerMac and it holds up great.
- astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -17/+27LycoLoco, you're exactly right. Windows sucks, but people stick with it only because of its market share.
- laxmaniac3773, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20if macs weren't as proprietary they wouldn't be that bad. with a PC you don't have to spend tons of money to upgrade and their much easier to take apart. as pretty as the interface of OS X is, it has many flaws. windows has a gazillion times more but at least with Windows you can fix it without shooting yourself in the face. oh and IE7 sucks don't even mess with it! Firefox or Opera
- davidburns, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10J. Allard leads a division that has absolutely nothing to do with direct competition with Apple at an operating system level. Growing balls isn't the issue.
- sathias, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The guys that are digging down people making comments about XP being a good gaming platform are missing the point I think. MS know the value in having a strong gaming platform, it is a very good way to lock in a customer base. There is not much you can do on a Mac or Linux that you can't do in Windows, even if you do prefer the environment. But you can't play the latest games unless they make a specific port to that platform, and with DirectX 10 around the corner that will happen less and less. MS have locked in a lot of their base by spending so much money on advancing game development, and from some of the reports I have read, providing good tools to do so.
Just as Apple were smart to go to an Intel chip and give people the ability to dual boot with Windows. Which really, makes the whole point of this 3-year old email irrelevant. - oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"arguing with mac fanboys on digg about microsoft is like walking into a megachurch yelling god does not exist."
the question is neo, wtf are you arguing with us about? the fact that we like os x and you don't?
i'm sorry that you were touched inappropriately by a clergy member of whatever but this kinda thing is not as uncommon as it once was. just go public and ask for help, now more than ever there's people willing to talk to you about it, i'm just not one of them. - thasmadawg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Ok well do you think he uses a zune on his mac?
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8""lemme know when a gaming platform comparable to that of XP comes out. Thanks.""
yea becasuse we all know you need a Dell with XP on it to play games these days, what an ignorant statement. OSX supports many popular games on to top that off Bootcamp + XP on a mac works just as fine as any other regular PC. Here soon with the advent of Parallels and you can skip the whole XP operating system completely and run your Oblivions and Second Life's right inside of OSX - hdenton, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11No but your average consumer is going to buy what they think everyone else has.
- joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If MS really cared about their customers they wouldn't spend so much time on WPA and WGA. There are a lot of computers out there that are not connected to the internet. What the hell are customers to do - call MS every 6 months? Stop treating your paying customers like thieves.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9IE7 would not be so bad if it had a better skin. It at least has tabbed browsing and pop up blocker, but sadly no extensions like adblock. Oh well, firefox it is then.
At least it will not be as painful when I do tech support on relative's computers with tabbed browsing. - pixelperfect, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Hello CanceledCzech (I am speaking to YOU),
Got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? - lazydrumhead, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13@lyco
i hope the sun rises soon, so you'lll be turned into stone, you troll. - YamahaBrez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Its gotten out of control.
To be honest, I too once hated Microsoft.... but I've come around... I've gone to being a Windows user, to Linux, to dual boot, and finally to my first mac (powerbook g4).
I am completely happy and love my Mac. Its great for compiling programs, I can run all the Linux applications my heart could desire, it's very light, and handy.... Lately I have found myself missing XP/Windows a little because I crave a HL2 fix (I'm not much of a gamer, but HL2 is great and I feel like its time for a reunion....).
It's really stupid to argue... Apple has some bad corners company wise; apparently Jobs is a heartless man--his company doesn't take care of the environment (bad electronic recycling program --ranked real low) and he I hear he is a hell beast to his employees (not sure, but I've heard mean things about the man, also not sure about his company/personal charity giving).
Please people give it a rest. I like my pretty BSD laptop. If I get another laptop I will probably look around for a PC next time (cheaper price), the big thing that holds me back is the damn size and bulkiness of a min 15 inch widescreen pc laptop.
BY THE WAY.... That thing about yelling god doesn't exist in a church I really agree with.... People need to try not to be so one-sided, can't stand people who always have to be right and can't even fathom something different. - Neiby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"No but your average consumer is going to buy what they think everyone else has."
No, your average user is going to buy the only thing they realize exists. I doubt that most home users even realize that a Mac is an option, despite all the Apple commercials on TV. When they go down to the local Circuit City, Best Buy, CompUSA or Radio Shack and all they see is PCs, they're going to assume that Mac sucks or more places would have them. Then they're going to buy a PC because it's available, it's cheap, and it does what they want it to do. - Marthinus, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@LycoLyco
"Because games are for just for kids? Riiight. I encode video, I download music, I do school work for my college classes. I use my PC for lots of things, but at the end of the day, sometimes you just wanna blow off some steam. But then if gaming is just for kids, well, I guess Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony all are about to have a really bad Christmas season this year."
Case in point, you are still just a kid. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7He's right of course... Microsoft's #1 priority is to please business customers these days.
- Dracos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6So, ultimately you're saying that BSD (or any other UNIX variant/derivative) is just as badly architected and implemented as Windows?
I think not. - Gerolsteiner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I WILL ***** KILL ALLCHIN.
-Steven Balmer. - a0me, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Bought a 24 inch iMac and I'm very happy with it. It does everything I need without taking more room than a 24 inch screen.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Call 90% of users too ignorant to know what they want: +10
Suggest some people choose Windows for valid reasons: -3
If you want to know why people think Mac users are pretentious, look no further than this thread. I've got a Mac on my desk at home and at work and I think they're great, but some Mac fans are an embarrassment. That shouldn't be a surprise (there are idiots in every group) but they shouldn't be encouraged. - TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Apple hardware isn't obsolete in 3 years. Hell, I was just recording some music with a 5 year old PowerMac and it holds up great."
Yeah seriously there are some g4's out there that are running apps like final cut, logic pro, and photoshop just fine. Hardly an obsolete peice of technology. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -30/+34No I really do not. There have done a pretty good job at delivering what the average customer wants: easy to use, affordable and software that just works.
No, I am not mac bashing. No, I am not linux bashing. You have to admit Microsoft does a fantastic job at what they do. - KrazyKoala, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I'm really getting tired of every little piece of pro such and such company, down with other such and such making it to the front page, let alone being dugg at all. I highly doubt your posts are going to be the tipping point to convince someone to go mac or pc or LINUX (for goodness sakes, stop making out with linux, people). The other notable issues lately have been too many pro Wii posts. I keep getting images in my head of little Wii fans crying tears of joy everytime they see one more positive post about their purchased product...who cares, go play your Wii.
On the flipside...too many negative posts about PS3, how many posts have to say the same thing? Give it up, you don't have the power to determine who wins the Operating system war or the console war. (I don't even like PS3, but still)... - Quix, on 10/12/2007, -24/+28"You have to admit Microsoft does a fantastic job at what they do."
Making crappy, unimaginative software that's lapped up by the ignorant masses? Yeah, I do have to admit they do a fantastic job of that... - JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Shimp hit the nail on the head. When Microsoft is provoked they are a force to be reckoned with. Look at what they did with the Xbox for example. When Apple heated up in the 90s Microsoft beat them almost to extinction. They do good things under pressure. They just haven't had the drive for years and years.
- Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Yup. I'm slowly beginning to think that the huge consumer name brands like MS and Sony are secretly thrilled that the open source movement is picking up such steam. When they can wash their hands of the ultimately needy consumer market they can turn their attention to the big cash markets (businesses).
I'd wager that the bulk of Diggers never call tech support (think I've called D-Link once) - but some people do. I had to do some (business) tech support for some time and you quickly see that 99% of your users either don't have problems or don't call because they can work around it.. But that 1% will make your life a living hell and waste 90% of your time.
Consumer market? Margins are low (admittedly MS can set any price they want without fear of competition nailing them), support demands are high (in direct tech support, user documentation, etc), and since it's the company's public face, any problems are immediately widespread and public - even if, from a code perspective, they're incredibly minor and easily fixed. -
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