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- dtrinh, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38Heh, tricky tricky. Another very sad example of "digg whoring"
Let's examine this story. First off, it was submitted by a new user named "IntelMac". The description of the story seems third person when, in fact, its just shameless blog promotion.
How did I notice this? Because I remembered the favicon on the page from the user "designr" 's blog (he was deleted for continually submitting his blog posts from paulstamatiou.com)
Layman's: paulstamatiou.com and "limeprint.com" share the exact same favicon. Furthermore, a visit to paulstamatiou.com returns a page identical to limeprint.com's (Error establishing a database connection).
The final conclusive proof is in the whois. http://www.whois.net/search.cgi2?str=limeprint.com. Limeprint is owned by Paul Stamatiou!
So basically, he got deleted for submitting his own stories. Took up a fake username acting like a third peson, and created a new domain that tunneled to his site.
Lame.
I guess diggwhores (like Paul) just keep coming back - maybe for the bandwidth spikes?
EDIT:
Guess what? Not only was Designr one of his old usernames. But so was "Pstamatiou". Wierdly enough, he also seems to have a few connections betweent he usernames "gomeler", "inju", and "spyd3rr". Maybe even more. A vist to their profile reveals a circle of digging between accounts.
Also - looking at this very own story - all of those usernames were in the top 20 to digg :X
Lame. Very lame. - nanos, on 10/12/2007, -7/+37The article is heavily biased against Microsoft. The guy had already decided to bash the chat client before he even entered the tent.
He bashes the client for having VoIP and file sharing, because "Most IM clients do that and more already." Wow, great reason to shoot it down. They're actually introducing useful features.
Oh, and what a conclusion. It turns out it doesn't run on a Mac. Really? I wouldn't have suspected, especially not with the word "Windows" in the name! - Opelious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yeah, I barely get through reading half the article, and he's either talking about options or features that would never affect the crowd they're going for. The mainstream, NOT the hardcore.
When it comes to ads, the main ads only appear in the main window, and a small text blip in the messanger window. Made that out to be a bigger deal than it was, as well as thing's like VOiP and Shared Folders. IIRC, Messanger has had voice for quite a long time, since Windows 2000. If there is one thing I don't like about MSN's VOiP (currently, anyways) is that it only allows one person at a time, but it's crystal clear none-the-less.
As for Shared Folders, while I haven't played with it much, seems like ICQ's old shared folder system. Really, I don't see what's wrong with that. It looks like he was looking for a reason to bash that feature by mentioning torrents and uploading them to a site. Whoopy.
And I know no one who uses AIM, let alone the protocol. Maybe I'm not cool.
Added: Oh, after looking at all the comments, it looks like Canadians use it more than Americans. Weird. I just follow what my friends use. - Sturmur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I find that an extremely strange occurance. Also strange that US customers seem to flock to AOL IM even though AOL is crap.
w/e, back to Trillian. - dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6How many ***** wordpress links have to go down before people stop digging them. They never last 5 minutes on the homepage. How about get a real webhost you dumb bloggers.
- Jyuu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If you don't like the ads, there's a patcher to remove them at mess.be.
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6He was talking about the favicon, knob.
And it's "you're an idiot," not "your an idiot." Oh, the irony... - williamw, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8that went down quick
- stutteringstan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6WLM is an advertisement sponsored service. The ads can include pictures,movie clips, or trailers with sound. Some people might find this annoying. Windows Live Messenger is basically MSN Messenger 8, you can still use Gaim if you prefer. Good article w/ Informative comments at the end.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't know if others are having trouble with loading the page thanks to wordpress errors so I made a PDF when I finally connected.
http://rapidshare.de/files/17232054/Why_Microsoft_s_Windows_Live_Messenger_Won_t_Succeed.pdf.html - CanadianAviator, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Noted due to university and OSX talk in the article:
Just an observation, here at my university, most of my friends intend to get Macs for their next computer purchase.
Interesting, because when I first came here almost 2 years ago, I didn't even know anyone at the school who even owned a Mac. - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you're going to note OS X, you should also note that despite this guy's mad ravings, Messenger runs on OS X:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/default.aspx?pid=msnmessenger
It's a native app.
Of course, there's always MSN Web Messenger:
http://webmessenger.msn.com/
It runs fine under Firefox, and while it says Windows only, I'm betting it runs fine under OS X too (since it doesn't seem to install any plugins or components). - bakatrinh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"It was none other than the TechKnowOverload tour, featuring several companies trying to reach college students, including Microsoft, Nvidia and Asus..."
Next time you quote something, please don't cut out a bunch of lines and make it look completely different from the original sentence. - tennman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3IntelMac...in the conservatory...with a candlestick.
Well done, Inspector dtrinh. - Mischa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I didn't know no one uses it in the states. Everyone who's online all the time is on messenger here in the Van and in Ottawa. It's how the east keeps in touch with the west.
- hausome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Kaput. Next time, link Google cached WordPress pages.
- jamelt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm sorry there is no way people are switching from AIM. I hate it but people seem to think online messenging = AIM. It really sucks because yahoo messenger, google talk, and windows messenger are 10 times better. They run smooth, they features that work and people can use. It's more user friendly. And AOL makes this Trition that has movie trailers popping up while on my other computer for "Slither"--movie looks like it will suck. Triton runs slow, takes up all your memory--just because computers are faster doesn't mean you make memory bloating programs. I send Google Talk to people and they say it doens't even have icons. When was the last time you wouldn't chat with someone because they had no icon. Enough with my ranting. AIM sucks anything is better.
- ceralor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Try Miranda IM. It's small enough to even fit on a freaking floppy if you don't run a lot of plugins! I run it off my thumbdrive. VERY fast and lightweight, low RAM footprint, even smaller than Gaim!
Not avail for linux, sadly, without using WINE or rewriting/compiling it and every plugin for it. - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What? gtalk is perfectly usable, unless you can't actually communicate with words and have to use emoticons everywhere.
- sangsara, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2as far as wishlists go, it could be open-protocol at least. apple's ichat supports Jabber for compatibility, and AOL/AIM for mainstream functionality.
- DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2just curious have you tried 'portable gaim'? its very lean imo.
- aplusplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, many people in rural areas of the United States seem to use MSN. Weird, I never quite got why.
- sangsara, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What concerns me here is the possibility that Windows Live Messenger uses a different protocol from MSN Messenger 7 (which has been reverse-engineered and works in clients like Trillian/GAIM), and that it will not be available to OSX/Linux users. This might mean that if a friend of mine starts using WLM, I will be unable to chat with him/her from my Mac. This might cause a new divide in the IM world, if they decide to make this new protocol 'unbreakable'.
- lonegeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hmm Everyone of my friends uses msn...I know one person in my school who uses aim.. ALot of people have yahoo..but dont use it..
This is in northwest Indiana..... - dtrinh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I was saying that only to illustrate how they were both down at the exact same time - to tie him to limeprint.com
- jknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Um Whah? No one uses MSN? I know lots of people who. I can't imagine those 2 peripheral market's being the ultimate keys to Microsoft's success.
- mikev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah im greek...get on topic
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2reported as lame
- stou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yea its weird, MSN messenger is big in South America, europe and at least Korea
- jamelt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No it went down
- drewjoh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I thought he was showing how both sites are down at the same time? (both on same server, from the same person, using wordpress, accessing the same database?)
- 500freestyle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I can't see it either.
- bchang, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4No one uses MSN messsenger in America but its really big in Canada and Australia which is why it will succeed.
- dtrinh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just to clarify: the user "inju" isn't Paul Stamatiou - inju apparently appears to be another one of Paul's type. http://digg.com/users/inju/submitted
Every story comes from his (inju) blog http://theory.isthereason.com/ - Axim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This guy is the biggest douche in the world how did this get dug? Completely biased and the guy is right arrogant. Reminds me of the kind of nerds drunk on their own expansive technical knowledge so they have to flaunt it to the world.
Of course it's not open source, is Apple's IM client open source? Is AOL, or Yahoo? You can't expect a company just to develop products out of the goodness of their heart you retard. And yes there are ways of getting rid of the ads its called stuffplug.. again this guy was asking all these completely retarded questions and basically just blogging because he enjoys hearing the sound of his own voice.
WLM is by no means a great client but its definitely on par with the other bloated options out there. Gaim is ugly as hell AOL has ridiculous ads and ICQ hasn't changed since the early 90s. They all have problems so stop being a dick buddy.. - weesee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i use Yahoo and AIM no need for more
- zmigliozzi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why doesn't microsofty work on their new but really old vista/longhorn before anything else.
- Splizxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1MSN messenger has become lamer since every new installation they make. Hell I still use v4.7 because it doesn't have ad's, winks, or nudges. It does what it is intended to do, message people.
Also supports voice/video chat, transfering files, all with a < 2mb memory footprint when idle (depending on how many friends you have, Im fairly loserish D:). - wideawakewesley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Quote: "If Microsoft just made its messenger email independent, as in I can sign in with a gmail or yahoo account instead of a hotmail email address, this would simplify the process greatly."
This d*ckwad's comment shows he doesn't even know anything about MSN/Live Messenger. You can create a Microsoft Passport that links to any e-mail address domain (not just hotmail). I have friends who log into MSN using GMail accounts. - halc5s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought trolls only existed on IRC. Fanboy crap, no digg.
- atonix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I think it's somewhat ironic that you label Microsoft as "M$", while trying to complement them.retty good company, eh?
- dtrinh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think MySQL is the problem here
- mikev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Take Microsoft out of the name and it will succeed until people find out.
- adamS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed. It's really irritating to stand by while someone (cleary a know-it-all) is retorting everything with "oh yeah, well application xx already does that! nyah!" So go use those apps!
This trend of bashing Microsoft at every opportunity is really becoming tiresome. Sure, maybe MS is making it too easy, but seeing Mac fanboys and other bandwagon jumpers constantly pushing on everyone open-source this, plugins that is just exhausting.
There's no requirement that you HAVE to use MSN, just as there is no requirement that forces MS to make their apps open source and make them customizable. Get over it! - Elsan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Here in Quebec, it's all about MSN Messenger. All about. I only saw 2 people use Yahoo! because MSN didn't support webcams at the time, I wouldn't able to talk to anyone about Yahoo!, AIM or Jabber, in fact, I only have american internet contacts with those. Skype is used by gamers mostly. That's in the people I know at least.
It seems to be really big in Europe, South America and Canada.
And it's associated services are, surprisingly(at least for me), used a lot. When I ask friends to give me photos they say "Go to my MSN Space" and I'm like "Awww not that ****ty thing again!". It's all about locking the users into their products with email, blog and such. - JesusGeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"everyone uses AIM" - Maybe in the States, but in Canada its all about MSN Messenger.
- coldradio, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The author of this piece really was misguided in his approach to the tech fair.
First off, if there was a Mac messenger, of course it wouldn't run on Windows, and none of us "Microsoft fanboys" would complain, because it says MAC MESSENGER.
MSN is used much more in the professional world than AIM or Yahoo! is. AIM is so successful because of the same reason that Titanic was the largest box office gross ever: 13-15 year olds.
How many people have more than one MSN account? Not that many. How many people have at least two AIM screen names they have seperate or linked? Exactly, AIM doesn't track unique users, they just track registered screen names.
The MSN tangent was a digression, but its clear as well that this Apple fanboy/MS hater couldn't tell the difference.
Windows Live will be used among Wndows XP and Windows Vista users, because its a standard messenging app that is built in.
Next rant from this guy:
"And OMG did you hear that Vista won't run iMovie? How stupid is that. Crappy MS....." - jamelt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The reason while AIM is so popular is because of the whole America Online effect. In large cities many people had America Online, so young kids used it. Then as people started switching from AOL to (X) for broadband, they still needed to talk to their friends so they download AIM, now everyone is using AIM, and no one cares about the quality of the product. Thats what happens when they are people that barely know how to print a web page.
- wideawakewesley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1MSN Messenger has the largest market share in the UK by a long long way, AIM is the least used.
- dextroz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2google hurry the fu*ck up with gtalk! i am tired of using bloatware yahoo and msn - even trillian is very memory hungry although it have the most kick-ass features and is waaaay ahead of it's time with time-shifting and voice recording built-in.
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