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- illepic, on 11/02/2009, -9/+81Sigh.. what will I use to build my Republican clients' websites now that they know whitehouse.gov runs on Drupal? They will automatically hate Drupal because Obama seems to like it :(
- jer2eydevil88, on 11/02/2009, -4/+62Drupal is secure and fast, the Obama team did a good job selecting it. I hope this means the Drupal team gets more funding and spends some time inmproving the admin area UI.
- mattclare, on 11/02/2009, -0/+24I think Slate's Chris Wilson just Googled "Drupal bad" and made a 700 word piece out of it.
- jer2eydevil88, on 11/02/2009, -3/+21What database driven site is fast under load without caching? If you fail to set it up correctly that shouldn't be the fault of the product but the fault of the end user.
- MrDoug, on 11/02/2009, -1/+16OSS + Obama + Mad/Under-Educated blogger = digg perfect storm for lengthy comments and arguments.
- Zoplax, on 11/02/2009, -2/+14[ tinfoilhat ]
Have the Drupal developers passed rigorous Homeland Security background checks?
Are there API calls buried in the code to disable the SAM launchers on the White House roof using a secret, SSL-encrypted key?
Will unsuspecting Republicans end up being redirected to a lemon party when searching for holes in Obama's master plan?
[ /tinfoilhat ] - FormerBabby, on 11/02/2009, -0/+12Politics tend to make people retarded like that.
- theberlindoctor, on 11/02/2009, -2/+12Good choice.
- pintomp3, on 11/02/2009, -5/+15Of course the socialist administration would use open source commie software!
- swazo, on 11/02/2009, -2/+11The problem with your argument is that you don't have the slightest clue regarding what you are talking about.
How is OSS any less safe than closed source? Look at OpenBSD vs Windows and tell me what has more holes. Drupal is a smart choice and because of it, I hope some source gets contributed back to the community. - Truedirt, on 11/02/2009, -2/+11I am no software specialist but from what I have heard, the decision by the White House to adopt Drupal open source software to built its official Web site was in line with the new administration proactive approach regarding new technologies. And the fact that the White House foray into the open source arena is spearheaded by its newly appointed chief technology officer who knows a thing or two about the subject, leads to believe that the pros for using Drupal far more outweighs the cons.
- eanbowman, on 11/02/2009, -1/+9So you're saying that nobody will ever find obscure security vulnerabilities?
Have you paid attention to the entire history of computer science? I would think the mountains of anecdotal evidence to the contrary would convince you otherwise.
This is why anybody with a shred of computer science knowledge knows that security through obscurity _just doesn't work_. - TitsMageee, on 11/02/2009, -1/+9I really wouldn't call those two sentences a rant. Your post however...
- larsonc, on 11/02/2009, -0/+8Ok, was anyone else super annoyed with the constant flipping between 11px Verdana and12px Arial in that article? Maybe InformationWeek should switch to Drupal and get their design straightened out.
- Sansui, on 11/02/2009, -0/+8I use Drupal every day for site development. Core Drupal is strong and versatile, and many of the community modules are excellent as well. Unfortunately, there are a lot of modules that function fantastically but suffer from poor performance under load.
The good news is that most medium to large size sites can function just fine with even a few efforts at basic optimization, including the default caching, memcache, and setting up blocks appropriately. Many sites could benefit just from proper theme optimization to reduce http requests before getting into the DB stuff
Drupal has been a breath of fresh air for me every since I started using it exclusively for site development two years ago. We don't really do sites that do enough volume to need every last drop of performance, but its not difficult to hire drupal experts that can help you optimize your particular module set and server settings. - Mateo2, on 11/02/2009, -0/+8Calm down dude. He was making a joke about how in partisan politics, people will automatically dislike anything their opponents likes/uses. It's sad, but that's the way things are.
- nullity, on 11/02/2009, -2/+10"Before Obama: Drupal Sucks"
WTF are you talking about? Drupal has ruled since version 5. I challenge you to find even one negative article about Drupal on Digg.
I'm a libertarian web developer. I disagree with most of Obama's policies. But Drupal was absolutely the right choice for a project this size. It is hands-down the most versatile CMS out there, period. Politics has nothing to do with it. - RaiD, on 11/02/2009, -6/+13What makes you think he actually knows what Drupal is? I STRONGLY doubt he has a effin' clue, let alone had any part in making the decision to start using it...that's what staff is for.
- ProfessorSYM, on 11/02/2009, -3/+10Unfortunately GeoCities is now out of the equation, so I don't know what to tell you...just give 'em a Blogger account and be done with it.
- ProfessorSYM, on 11/02/2009, -2/+8This is my favorite quote from the article:
"Wilson says 'the new software represents the triumph of hope over experience.'
But you have to look at what experience we're talking about. In this case, the bulk of our experience since the advent of Web 2.0 (from 2003 to 2008) has meant a governing policy that assumed that less government is best, which turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophesy. Because the Bush Administration believed that government generally sucks, it staffed agencies with incompetents like Michael Brown, who made government look as bad as movement conservatives argued it was."
And this precisely sums up modern day Republicans and conservatives.
Note: I enjoy the actual discussion of the merits of Drupal versus other CMS, but it is also a political article so please forgive me for the conservative freakout that will likely commence below this post. - phogasmic, on 11/02/2009, -1/+7I'm not a big fan of Drupal, I prefer Expression Engine. However, I think it is awesome that the White House is using a common off the shelf CMS instead of wasting time and money building a custom one. Whoever is in charge of technology there is very smart.
- Zuggy, on 11/02/2009, -2/+7If a security hole is so gaping that you can easily see it in the source code, someone smarter then you probably has seen and fixed it. The methods of attacking closed source software are more efficient then looking at thousands of lines of code to see if you spot anything.
- fandyllic, on 11/02/2009, -0/+5I'm not a huge fan of Drupal, but for mostly one-way presentation of nicely skinned information it is a good way to go. Also, the Drupal community is self-critical, see: http://dc2009.drupalcon.org/session/why-i-hate-dru ...
If Slate's Chris Wilson had actually made reasoned points rather than snarky and stupid comments alot of what he said could be agreed to be partially true. For collaborative end-users, Drupal isn't so great and administration is definitely not intuitive. However, with the right set of Drupal knowledgeable (not-free) consultants, Drupal can deliver enterprise quality. If you try to roll-your-own Drupal by just browsing the many disorganized modules, it will be a pain and may produce something not so great.
Like much of the open software community, there is money to be made, but they make it in consulting and value-add, not with software. What would really surprise me would be if Drupal got intuitive and easy enough to use that alot of consultants would be out of jobs. That is the insidious part of Drupal that the community doesn't want to talk about. Free yes, but free without needing help to setup... no. - Black6x, on 11/02/2009, -2/+6A huge difference between OSS and closed source is that, even though potential attackers can see what holes exist, so can you. This means that you can be a bit pickier. People who look for holes in closed-source apps do so relentlessly. It's their hobby/trade/craft. Some are businesses that deal in security, and some are "hackers". Regular people generally do not have the time or resources to look for zero-day exploits when they can't see teh code easily. OSS at least gives you the option to see what you are getting into.
- seanmc303, on 11/02/2009, -7/+11I certainly would not call it fast. If you enable full page caching with memcached, or use a proxy cache server such as Varnish or Squid then the end result is fast, but Drupal is not fast alone. Tracing a standard Drupal request's code execution path can quite tedious, and you will find that it is not optimized for speed. Drupal core may be secure, but I can not speak for the security of all of the community modules.
- Charlotte_Web, on 11/02/2009, -0/+4Drupal is a great CMS. It's unfortunate that the author of the article had to put a silly political spin on it, as if Republicans are somehow anti-Drupal.
Of all of the ignorant political statements I've seen lately, his is quite staggering. - IKORKYI, on 11/02/2009, -0/+4Silverlight
- jjustin01, on 11/02/2009, -0/+4Because, as Microsoft has proved time and time again, they are really quick at releasing updates for security patches.
As a more serious example, we have a website that was put to bid by an outside firm so we let them build it and host it. The site is built using their proprietary code and updates are made through their proprietary CMS. Within a year's time the site was hacked 6 times and either brought down completely or defaced. These attacks all happened within the first year it was online.
Another website I maintain here at work is built using a Mambo admin as the CMS (I wrote my own code for the front-end). It's only been hacked once and that's because I was lazy and didn't update a known security hole in the admin. This website has been on Mambo since 2003.
See, the nice thing about open source is that the security is up to me. If I find out there's a hole somewhere and there is a patch, I apply it whenever I feel like it or I patch it myself. When it's closed source, I get to sit around and hope to God that the owner of the code will patch it before someone else finds it. The bad part is that the hole is typically not found by the originator of the source. It is found by someone outside so the exploit is already known to the public and now we have to rely on a handful of developers. Open source typically has a larger developer base working to find and patch holes and at a much faster pace. - eanbowman, on 11/02/2009, -0/+3magamiako: With computers, you're often not just locking your house. You're locking up people's personal details, preventing loss of life due to compromised control systems, etc.
So you should be able to give away the blueprints and have the thieves still scratching their heads.
As well, someone can get the blueprints to your house from town hall for a small fee in most places AFAIK. In most municipalities here they're a matter of public record. ;) - Zuggy, on 11/02/2009, -1/+4Bush != Libertarian
- nyxerebos, on 11/02/2009, -0/+3"Will unsuspecting Republicans end up being redirected to a lemon party when searching for holes in Obama's master plan?" Yes. List of holes is here by the way: http://tinyurl.com/v6wj
- EskNerd, on 11/02/2009, -0/+3I just got a mental sound clip of Frankenstein's monster saying "GRAAAGH, DRUPAL BAAAAAD." Thanks for that! :D
- nmanguy, on 11/02/2009, -0/+3I think he was talking about the community/shared aspects of the software. Nothing to do with the donations you could give.
- publiclurker, on 11/02/2009, -1/+3if "It looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck."
then you'd call it motorcycle. - rabidjester, on 11/02/2009, -2/+4I'm outraged! I wonder if he ran it by his Mustard Tsar first!
/s - Elranzer, on 11/02/2009, -1/+3If George W Bush could be considered a libertarian, I'm handing in my Libertarian Party card.
Oh wait, he couldn't possibly, because Libertarians are socially-progressive, which is the opposite of Bush. - publiclurker, on 11/02/2009, -1/+3Without a single dead foreigner to show for it.
- fandyllic, on 11/02/2009, -1/+3Sorry, Drupal is not fast. It is PHP which will never be as fast as a server built on a compiled language.
However, Drupal is flexible which most servers built to spec are not. - publiclurker, on 11/02/2009, -0/+2That's what static testing tools are for, and they work a whole lot better when you have access to the source.
- MonkeyOverlord, on 11/02/2009, -4/+5The problem with your argument is that the federal government is notorious for not putting O&M (operations and maintenance) into its contracts. The people coming back to fix security problems are often not the same people who wrote the software because the government let their contract expire after they finished the final release.
- fxu1989, on 11/02/2009, -3/+4Dupeal.
They won't know the difference ;) - Balanced, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1I made the mistake of doing a site in Joomla and am planning to move it to Drupal. The main reason I went with Joomla is a couple modules worked better out of the box and theming was a bit easier, but in the long run Drupal does a lot of things better.
- magus_melchior, on 11/02/2009, -0/+1I'm sorry, is this the five-minute argument, or a full half-hour?
- nmanguy, on 11/02/2009, -2/+3Yes, Republicans own the locally-oriented NBC, ABC, CBS and FOX broadcasting stations, in addition to the CNN, MSNBC, HN, and CNBC cable news channels.
- Laminarcissus, on 11/02/2009, -1/+2Who has put down Drupal in the past?
Right now you seem like a partisan who is trying to use this issue to paint Obama supporters as blind followers and hypocrites. It would be helpful if you pointed us to these people who have "put down Drupal in the past" and are now appearing to support it because of Obama. - fcukthisgame, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1They're politicians. They don't know how to turn the internet, much less what drupal is.
- ItWasOnlyAJoke, on 11/03/2009, -0/+1This is pitiful. Drupal is awesome, easy, and safe. I see no reason why any group or corporation should not use it. It can cut a LOT of costs while still maintaining a quick an efficient search engine and CMS. Now that's not to say it's perfect; no CMS is. However, I feel proud that any government body would use an open-source, community driven project as the foundation of their website. It saves OUR tax dollars and allows them to go to places that really need them.
- JessterKing, on 11/04/2009, -0/+1Wtf republicans burying my comment like its no ones business, who the hell taught you all to use computers? Democrats come on digg me to at least above 0.
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