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- claco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What kept me on Firefox through the great "Opera is now free" festival was the fact that it still didn't support NTLM, which means it won't work for anyone behing a MS proxy with NTML only auth, or on any sites that only support NTML windows authentication. Firefox, of course, supports it and works just fine.
- 0nslaught, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@ilyag
This is similar to the Nuke Anything extension:
"Kill Elements
The kill button is utterly invaluable. It basically can kill elements on a page. The selected element will be highlighted with a red square, if so this means left-clicking it will remove that element from a page."
http://operawiki.info/PowerButtons?show_comments=1#kill - TheDigger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I switched from Firefox to Opera 8.5 two months ago and never looked back. It has a much smaller memory footprint than FireFox, starts up instantaneously, is very very fast and provides a ton of features. I really don't miss all those extensions for Firefox - there's a ton of functionalities already built-in the browser, like email, newsgroups, IRC, RSS feeds...
So I really recommend it to anyone currently using Firefox... try it, you won't regret it! - jkearney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1k... so what about socks proxy support?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Opera is 1000% better than Firefox. It shows that a CLOSED SOURCE model has its advantages!
- stisev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera 9 is the best browser on the planet (beats FF easily), but it ***** SUCKS for rendering. It b0rks the rendering of many many sites.
- cesclaveria, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"why give up a better or even comperable open source browser for a closed source one?"
No one is telling you to give up your Browser, you ust have another option. A free browser, a faster browser with a lot of funtions included.
I dont see anyone saying you can only use 1 browser... I use 4, but Opera has been my main browser since version 6 - smhill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why can't Firefox?"
Bloat.
FF/Moz is a beast in scope. Safari/Opera are built by small teams. More agility to accomplish things like that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey ....what about rss and the active bookmarks ?????
Thats why i dont use oprea! - hehe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Looks like Opera is once again putting forth an even better product...I look forward to it.
- iOXeR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera... ROCKS!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I cannot browse without the following extensions in Firefox:
Plain Text Links
Nuke Anything
FarkIt
Until Opera has equivalents of these three, I have no desire to use it. Yes, it's faster and better and more awesome than Firefox, but I NEED these extensions, otherwise I feel like my web surfing is crippled. - TokenUser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Old news, but well summarised. Opera 9 Preview 1 has been out since late October. Stability is OK, but has some issues (BitTorrent support removed in Preview release, PDF files seem to lock up the browser ... odd).
http:\snapshot.opera.com - pick your OS. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera crashes on me quite a few times a day...mostly whenever I visit a page with some QuickTime content on it...e.g. this site:
http://www.onegoodmove.org/1gm/ - wildkarde, on 10/12/2007, -0/+064-bit support would be nice
- delt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I went back to opera due to 100% cpu usage and lockups on FF. Over all opera is a faster browser, but not for gmail. So i use FF for gmail and work webmail. I use Konqueror for java pages, really the only "plugin" content i put up with. I avoid any "plugin needed" content and silly extensions that work on only one browser. That something i don't like MS doing, and i don't make exception to OS projects. Its about standards and sticking to them. One thing the browser market is very bad at.
- n0other, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, Opera is superior to FF resource wise. Opera manages to keep the small download size, small resource usage even with it's all built-in features. No need to use 92 extensions to achieve what you need, if it's not there, it simply means it's not a job for a browser. Opera is more beautiful, because of tweaked Qt usage. Firefox relies on GTK, which is ugly and slow. Opera 9 will be even better. Keep doing it guys! I was really scared when saw that 'MS buys out Opera' headline. Long live Opera!
- ice2004, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera is a very clean and fast browser just like FF keep up the good work Mozilla and Opera CORP and get ride of IE by next year 2006 gr8
- CanuckMakem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Netscape plug-in API Extensions
As previously issued by Opera Software and the Mozilla Foundation, several browser vendors are working together to modernize and unify the Netscape plug-in API."
SWEET - Maldy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I tend to use FF as my main browser on both Windows and Linux, but where RAM and CPU speed are at a premium (on my kids' PCs) we use Opera. It's good to see Opera moving onwards and upwards still with v9. We need good competition in the browser world and as you can see from a lot of FF extensions which add many Opera-like features, the main competition to FF is certainly not IE! With Opera speed and easily installed FF extensions, we could have the best of both worlds :-)
- Visceral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera is a really neat product and can load stuff faster the FF, but, try loading like 6 tabs all at once and you'll see FF loads them quicker. Also, opera isnt as tweakable as FF when it comes to net speed, etc (Fasterfox). Quality product though.
- crash331, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gmail fixes are already implemented in the beta release. Opera 9 will support it fully. The rich formatting also works. I am not sure if it does in the preview version. Some stuff still has problems, especially some Ajax pages.
- rmccabe916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"wait ive been using opera 9 for months i thought"
That's only a preview version. There are probably going to be more previews, then betas, and then the final. - bnolsen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yup, no adblock, no Opera.
Firefox is annoying but Opera is more annoying because of that.
konqueror is interesting, but it has a lot of baggage with it also.
I actually have been using dillo more and more. No CSS support but all of that is overrated.
I guess I should get involved somewhere.... - m4v1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have been running Opera 9 preview since october and it is very stable, someone mentioned that PDF files crashed it, i have never observed this, it does slow opera down a little while loading the pdf but it has never locked up on me. 9p is even faster than the lates 8.x release. The only problem i have encountered is sites that do not allow opera to browse the site, and the webmasters are to stuck up to consider it as an acceptable browser. why the f should they care what browser im using?
- backwords, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the ONLY reason i use FireFox over Opera is because of the way they handle RSS feeds in a toolbar. Opera uses it like a Mail feature and you have to always open a new tab to view each RSS... i might just have not figured out how to do it in Opera. Opera is faster and for some reason i get less errors and starts up faster
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Netscape plug-in API Extensions"?!
If I want Netscape I'd install it... LOL!
Opera is a good browser, but I find Firefox much more superior and more user friendly. And with the extensions it just leaves Opera in the dust. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@Ambimom, that "plugin" only works for Windows...nothing for Linux.
- Zulithe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Firefox 1.5 was supposed to include a built-in RSS Reader but it was pulled due to issues that couldn't be worked out in time for release. It should be included in Firefox 2.0. You can also already get it as a seperate extension. I do love Opera and use the Opera 9 preview once in a while, but I still prefer Firefox due to all the useful extensions. We probably aren't getting full Acid test 2 functionality until Firefox 3, but that's coming in 2006 so it's not that far off.
- termal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mrfx:
RSS? Opera's integrated RSS reader is the main reason I switched to it from Firefox! It's the most useful way of dealing with feeds that I've come across. - ph713, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Opera is 1000% better than Firefox. It shows that a CLOSED SOURCE model has its advantages!"
Actually, nobody's ever really done a full-fledged competitive browser as an all-open-source project. Netscape was originally commercial, if you'll remember. It was eventually open-source-ified into the Mozilla project, but when we start talking about the bloat and huge development scopt of Moz/FF dragging them down in these competitions, we have to allow some of that to be blamed on the pre-open-source Netscape origins of the code.
So no, FF vs Opera is not a good example of Open Source losing out to a superior Closed Source product. It's an example of one Closed Source project which later became Open Source losing to one that's always been Closed Source.
The primary reason there's never been a solid effort at an FF/Opera-class browser that was fully open-source (including in style and methodology of development) was because there was historically not much of an itch for developers to scratch there, since Netscape was providing browsers for Open Source platforms and they worked as reasonably well as could be expected. - SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera is very fast, but it's not the fastest browser on earth. Safari seems to be from a little test I did.
http://www.cssbeauty.com/skillshare/comments.php?DiscussionID=91&page=1&PHPSESSID=324eb8593279e89ac883dd8681177ea5#Item_3 - Kiba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So now everyone is switching to Opera....
- RSchewe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For me it's: No extensions? No Opera...
- Veloxi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've switched to Opera a couple of months ago since getting tired of Firefox's bloaty-ness, and never looked back. It's quick, clean, and the included email client rocks. It's also a great RSS reader. Go Opera!
- mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera rendering slows to a crawl on very large pages vs. Firefox or IE. It's also crash-prone if you try simultaneously loading webpages across multiple tabs, especially if the webpages have plugin content. It also doesn't handle plugins as well as Firefox/IE.
I still use it as my main browser mainly because of how it handles RSS and because it is the most secure (you can configure it to maintain no traceable trail of your browser history, cache to RAM only, drop cookies on exit, etc...). - Ambimom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love Opera. Started using the ad-version and switched to the free one during its big promotion. It has all the firefox extensions I ever used already built in. As for adblock, there is a free download http://www.operaadfilter.com/
- rmccabe916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Opera is very fast, but it's not the fastest browser on earth. Safari seems to be from a little test I did.
You should have put more emphasis on "little." Here's a far more sophisticated browser speed test:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html - howie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ timewarrior: The article is summing up what the current preview has, but also what's coming in the final version! How's that lame?
@ ilyag: Opera has User JS for plain text links. I'm sure there are solutions for the other ones as well if you go to userjs.org or ask in the forums at my.opera.com.
@ bnolsen: Opera has ad blockers - lots of them. Try a Google search. - awa64, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've been using Opera for quite some time now. I tried using Firefox for a while--I liked it, but I liked Opera better, so I just used Firefox for browsing portably. Now that I have a USB Key with a mobile Opera setup on it, I don't even bother with Firefox for that--no matter how nice Firefox is, Opera handles things just a little bit nicer.
- Ericn84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bah, I want ISA proxy server support built in=(
- emag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I stuck with FF through 1.07, but started getting annoyed at how crash-prone it was. I switched to opera, and the extensions I was using the most (ie, sessionsaver, something to d&d tabs, etc) was all built-in. Now with 1.5 out, none of the extensions I was using even work anymore, and since opera seems a LOT more stable and saner about resources (I can actually have flash installed now!), I think I'll be sticking with it.
As for ad blocking, that's what privoxy is for. Additional caching? Squid. Anonymity? Tor. Hey, I'm happy... and I just absolutely loathe the FF1.5 file dialog under linux. Sure, I'll still test what I do with FF, but Opera's supplanted it for my daily usage, which averages over 30 browser windows, and probably 200+ pages/tabs. - reverb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I see it's fully buzzword compliant. Good for them.
- beefster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who cares which is better?! Concentrate your efforts on those poor souls using IE, and help them to change to either opera or FF!
- SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mccabe916ber:
While that test is a little more indepth, remember that I only tested JavaScript execution speed using BenchJS. Also, Safari ran through vmware and it is compiled for the X86 platform. That test did not test the x86 Safari. And I was not refering to Safari, but the KHTML engine. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have to agree with beefster... those poor souls still using IE and getting infected with Spyware and Viruses without their knowledge thanks to ActiveX. Seen so many systems come in to my shop infected due to the user was offered 'Cool Web Tools' and clicked the [Yes] in the ActiveX window.
- rideaurocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Could they make it work when you're not running as admin in win xp? So disappointed.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i don't know what all the fuss about firefox is.... so far, i think Opera is by far the best.
- everlong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0that pretty cool
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