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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+58Rather than spamming some random website, here is the ORIGINAL site that this submission should have linked to:
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats/
I think one sucky point to note is that 65% of people are stuck at a resolution of 1024x768 or less. Ugh. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60Every browser can mask itself as others.
Well, I presume MSIE can. But every browser besides that can, obviously. - psycobrat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+48i wish opera would NOT mask as ie by default. it would help their numbers some.
if the user has a problem (most sites do not) then let them change it for that site. - flash200, on 10/12/2007, -6/+41As a guess, lower the number for IE by 1%-2% and add it to Opera to compensate for browser spoofing.
- theheyes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33They're all going via proxy thats why. ;)
- FlaG8r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21A lot of people have to use IE at their jobs whether they want to or not.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19psycobrat wrote: "i wish opera would NOT mask as ie by default. it would help their numbers some."
Opera identifies itself as Opera as of version 9.0. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Yeah, cause we hear more from opera fanboys than firefox fanboys right?
Psh. - seanalltogether, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18The Counter seems to say otherwise, and the sampling is much higher then just 25,000 page views
http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2006/July/browser.php - Rio517, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Unfortunately, the submitter is obviously related to the source site ittopics (take a look at his profile), which is why he didn't like to the actually post on WC3 schools. I hate it when people spam digg to get traffic to their website. I wish Digg would bring back the bad links option to bury stories!
- b0wl0fud0n, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19I can't find the original article, but there was an article recently which showed that a lot of the additional Firefox traffic is a result of the use of the Fasterfox plugin and thus inflates the numbers of Firefox users.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It is an IE shell.
- fistofblood, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15for some reason I doubt their accuracy
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -18/+30The only people I know that still use IE are the completely computer illiterate. They know where the power button is, and what a mouse is, but that's about it.
Oh yeah, they KNOW WHERE THE ***** CAPS LOCK KEY IS, TOO. God I hate that with a passion. - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15> The only people I know that still use IE are the completely computer illiterate.
Well, well, aren't you lookin' swell up on that high horse of yours! So, do you still consider people computer illiterate if they work at a place that installs and only allows its users to use IE? Most employers don't allow users to dictate which browser they get to use. What about people who work with proprietary corporate crap that requires the use of IE? There are lots of reasons people use IE beyond being computer illiterate. Don't be condescending. It adds nothing to the discussion. - nox327, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11So, why would I install W3Counter if I can get google analytics for free. It has better tools than what I have seen so far from any company
- mc7winkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@the blooms
Then I suggest that you buy this.
http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=629
And no, I'm not spamming - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12> i wish opera would NOT mask as ie by default. it would help
> their numbers some.
You can do something about it. Complain to sites that only support IE. I don't know how many times I've run across "IE only" sites only to find that it works just fine once I tell Safari to identify itself as IE. That's generally done so the site doesn't have to officially support any other browser and can save development time and expense by not expecting its developers to test across platforms and browsers. Usually, there's no problem with the other browsers beyond maybe some display funkiness. Opera, I imagine, identifies itself as IE by default to avoid that hassle for its users. - elnerdo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Just like those people who can't spell 'being' should be shot for bneing[sic] an utter moron!
- scottlc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11The stats only include sites tracked by W3Counter. I'd assume that the tracked sites are English language, which would assume the bias toward English speaking countries and countries with high numbers of English speaking surfers.
- Gyga, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15I hate anything above 1024x768, on small screens it is to small, large screens require you to move your head to see the edges, which on LCDs causes weird colors.
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7> it's only w3c visitors wich are mostly tech savvy people
This has *nothing* to do with the W3C. W3Counter is run by a company called Awio, a web portals company. The W3C is the World Wide Web Consortium, that publish the HTML, CSS, etc specifications. They are two totally different organisations. - Paktu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Gyga
I have a 20" LCD monitor that does 1600x1200 and I definitely agree with your point about larger screens. My eyes actually have to focus on one part of the screen at a time. While this was annoying at first, over time I got used to it and now I don't even notice when I do it. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8There's honestly nothing wrong with 1024x768... anything lower than that is painful, though.
- calorifer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12it's only w3c visitors wich are mostly tech savvy people so it's not an acurate statistic of worl wide usage, get the google browser stats, that's an acurate statistic.
- phlux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9One of the things I wonder about these counts is the fact that almost all machines with firefox still have IE on them. I still use IE for certain things, such as accessing the ERP system at work - FF does not work completely for a fully java based application used to access oracle.
When I have weirdness seeing some media online I use IE to view those peices... - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"My impression (and perhaps it is wrong) is that most people run at very low resolutions because they simply don't know any better and don't have a clue about how to change their OS settings."
At my work, all the people running 800x600 have very bad eyesight and even changing text size and other settings don't help nearly as much as just changing the resolution. A couple people even have 20" monitors on 800x600 because that is what they can see. - mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Am I the only FF user who doesn't want Firefox to gain a bigger market share than this? As long as IE still has the larger user base FF (and Opera) have to make their products better to compete. Would they still make their stuff as good if they came to dominate the market? I doubt it -- no company that has ever dominated the market felt compelled to still produce high-quality products, just "good enough".
- Kamino, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I think Firefox has to mature a little more before I'll recommand it to my relatives and such. Module handling (Javascript/quicktime) and memory handling is just a tad too leaky. When they got that fixed, it'll be exit IE for me.
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9IE fanboys? Never have seen those. Do you just get pissy when people mention how ***** your choice of internet browser is, or is it when they laugh even more at you when you infact get trolled about something as trivial as an internet browser?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5lol, maybe it's your site, and maybe nobody uses "w3" as an abbreviation for "www" (which is an abbreviation anyway). Of course, I'm sure it's all a coinkidink.
http://www.digg.com/users/djg38/submitted - rkuchiki, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Opera can add a user agent cloning another browser, but it still sends "Opera". Or at least it used to.
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows XP) Opera 6.05 [en] - eddyc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9This is great, I'd say the numbers are growing from geeks telling their parents and friends to use Firefox instead of I.E. I know I did
- techmonkey4u, on 10/12/2007, -6/+105% wtf? Seeing as it was 10% about 9 months ago (I believe there was a story on digg about that), I can totally believe 25%
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4your right. there is not accurate way to guage just how many people are using what browser, and any attempts to do so are just stupid.
so, how about we make websites usable with any browser, after all thats the idea of the web right? - aknowles5139, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I build computers and I have a vast knowledge about hardware and software but I still use IE most of the time.
I find Firefox is slower. And if you have proper protection... IE really isnt that bad.
But I'm defiantly switching to Firefox when Vista comes around. IE 7 looks horrible. - JohnnySoftware, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"Do you really think 25% of your family and friends are using firefox? I would think more like 5%."
Well, you would be wrong. It is more like 85 to 90%.
Why would someone _not_ install Firefox on their home computer?
Free? Check.
Supports more modern web page formats than anyone else? Check.
Fewer problems? Check.
Good website compatibility with the major websites like Google, Gmail, Yahoo, etc.? Check.
Fantastic power-user and user-convenience extensions available at no charge? Check.
Firefox's feature list is the trail of bread crumbs that other web browser teams are following to try to get out of the woods. Firefox is the leader. The rest of the pack is playing catchup, to varying degrees of success. - bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6As it's always said on that counter, the stats are taken from people who visit the w3schools websites. You know, people looking at web development stuff. You know, people who are more likely to be using Firefox then IE.
It's an interesting number but it's really nothing that should be taken as any sort of indicator for the habits of internet users as a whole.
"Why so high Firefox figures?
W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers. " - Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4*Ahem* From the w3counter site:
"This report shows statistics aggregated across all active websites tracked by W3Counter. It was last generated on July 8, 2006 based on an analysis of 1,022,601 distinct visits across 1,177 websites."
This is NOT just w3schools. Unless w3schools has 1,177 websites. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Firefox may have 25% with the tech related crowd. Firefox DOES NOT have 25% total market share, keep dreaming. I don't know one person in real life that uses firefox or even knows what firefox is. People seriously don't care.
O.K. I'm done ranting. Let me know next month when "FIRE FOX HAS 26% MARKET SHARE!!! ZOMGZOMG" hits the front page so I can be sure to bury it. - jermm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7(thats because us apple users are smart)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Don't be sad because your all your Browser are belong to us.
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Because obviously claiming population stats off an unbelievably skewed minor population sample is much better than just chopping the number down a whole bunch, right jimmygoon?
I could also cite the % of people using IE from windowsupdate.com server logs, but it would be retarded, though more so than this. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't even bother with that. I like to know what browsers and resolutions my site's users are coming to me with. I simply grab this data every time a user logs into their account and write it to a psotgresql table. Since all the data is available in the CGI $ENV var, it's easy enough.
- DoorFrame, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5My site's stats:
51.34% - IE
36.63% - Firefox
08.70% - Safari
01.24% - Opera
00.90% - Netscape
00.69% - Mozilla
00.37% - Camino - Nanobe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Opera's behavior of pretending to be Internet Explorer does not affect browser statistics. Even when set to identify as Internet Explorer, Opera has always included the word "Opera" and the version number in the user agent string. It pretends to be IE just enough so that websites that don't know of Opera's existence think it's IE, but it's still very easy for websites to tell the difference between IE and Opera. No serious statistics company would mistake Opera for IE under normal circumstances. Heck, my cheap little homegrown statistics system can tell the difference.
And yes, Opera is now set to more clearly identify itself as Opera by default. - Metal_Hurlant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Right. 25% is overblown for the general market. This tells you more on the population the w3counter is checking than anything else.
For geeks, web designers and other "enlightened" beings, sure, clock it at 40% if you want.
But it's very unlikely that firefox has more than 15% on the overall market. - bpapa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Could also be people just getting started. Google "learn HTML" and "learn css" and look what comes up first.
Speaking of which - think of the biggest thing in web development these days. Web 2.0? Ajax? Web Standards? Hell no. As much as any of us would hate to admit it, it's tricking out your MySpace profile. - modpancake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How large of a sample size and over what timeframe?
- jasqwerty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's pretty piss poor reasoning as to why anyone should switch, though on par with what I see for the usual FF crew. Let's go over your list for IE:
Free? (Check, we are talking Windows I assume.)
Supports more modern web page formats than anyone else? (You're wrong with this, see Opera, so again neutral with IE)
Fewer problems? (Relative at best. I find memory chomping and slow render speed to be 'problems')
Good website compatibility with the major websites like Google, Gmail, Yahoo, etc.? (Check, always will be as well)
Fantastic power-user and user-convenience extensions available at no charge? (Check for IE as well. See what Active X actually can do besides the FUD you have believed.)
I see extensions touted more and more. If you can't code, you won't be using this 'feature' to begin with, and are at the whim of someone who can and happens to do what you want. -
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