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- spargo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+179I'm wondering what happens when you want to reformat an upgrade version...Then they make you buy the full version?
- TheRealPod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+148wrong end of the horse.
- Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -7/+139No, here's what you do: get Windows Vista Pirate Bay Edition.
- SoCalChris, on 10/12/2007, -7/+83@kevinsabs
Which OS won the duel? Did Vista successfully kill XP, preventing it from ever being reactivated? Did XP at least wound Vista?
Also, I'd be careful with who you talk about setting up duels with, it's illegal pretty much everywhere now days. - batfink, on 10/12/2007, -7/+69READ the EULA, it doesn't state that your existing XP Key invalidated, it states that once you upgrade to Vista - you are not allowed to use the software you "upgraded".
From Vista EULA - "13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from." - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Uh, thats what he said. The software you "upgraded from", i.e. XP, right? So you have one legal copy of XP. You upgrade to Vista, now you have one legal copy of Vista, and no legal copy of XP, right?
- sq377, on 10/12/2007, -3/+38What happens with a volume license?
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+31This makes sense. If they didn't do this, you would be able to install your copy of XP on another machine as use it along side Vista. This defeats the entire point of an "Upgrade" copy of Vista.
- ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28You're going to have to install the Vista upgrade right after installing a fresh installation of XP?
XP will install, but you just can't activate the XP portion.
Upgrade installations are a PITA. - rkutz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27@kevinsabs,
You missed the point of SoCalChris's comment. The word is dual, not duel. - mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+26The key is NOT invalidated, and this clause has been part of the EULA for upgrade versions of Windows releases for YEARS. Quit being nancies and stop believing everything that gets posted on some random guy's blog. I know you guys are smarter than this. Here's the same clause present in the two previous releases of Windows. Neither one "invalidates" your key. You are just not legally allowed to use your old copy, which is WHY YOU GET A DISCOUNT!
Windows XP:
"9. UPGRADES. To use Software identified as an upgrade, you must first be licensed for the software identified by Microsoft as eligible for the upgrade. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis for your upgrade eligibility."
Windows 2000:
"3.�� UPGRADES. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is labeled as an upgrade, you must be properly licensed to use a product identified by Manufacturer, MS or Microsoft Corporation as being eligible for the upgrade in order to use the SOFTWARE PRODUCT ("Eligible Product"). For the purpose of upgrade products only, "HARDWARE" shall mean the computer system or computer system component with which you received the Eligible Product.� A SOFTWARE PRODUCT labeled as an upgrade replaces and/or supplements the Eligible Product which came with the HARDWARE.� After upgrading, you may no longer use the SOFTWARE PRODUCT that formed the basis for your upgrade eligibility.� You may use the resulting upgraded product only in accordance with the terms of this EULA and only with the HARDWARE. If the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is an upgrade of a component of a package of software programs that you licensed as a single product, the SOFTWARE PRODUCT may be used and transferred only as part of that single product package and may not be separated for use on more than one computer." - Battlecry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26I notice the EULA doesn't say anything about invalidating your key, It just says MS doesn't want you to use your old copy of XP. Nowhere does it say how or if they're enforcing it.
Sounds like this guy just pulled this out of his ass. - JeremyTTU, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27@SPARGO & SG377
Make sure you are using a VLK... VLK's (for XP) are never verified by a central server, therefore your key will never become invalidated.
Or, you could figure out a way to hack the Dell Windows XP Install CD to figure out how it puts in a VLK key for Dell Systems. - humperdeath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25This is what UPGRADE means, people. If you want two operating systems, you should buy a new copy outright, not the upgrade version. The problem I see here is that if you do decide to go back to XP for whatever reason, you should be able to do that. I suspect a call to MS support will revalidate your XP key.
- Konrad9, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28What about my *****?
- reknaps, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Maybe you'll have to reinstall Windows XP then install the Vista upgrade on top again. Wouldn't that be peachy.
- PLUMCRAZY, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23So your advice is to install OS X on my Dell computer rather than pay for the full install of Vista? I don't think that will work.
Or is it your advice that I should throw away my computer and buy an Apple computer just to avoid paying for the full install of vista? That seems like an expensive alternative also. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22So just use a cracked XP and hopefully you've learned your lesson about actually buying a Microsoft OS instead of installing a pirated copy.
Put it this way: if you paid for it, you can use it all ya want. If they don't let you, then you do it anyway. The end. - AngryPenguin47, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20Straight from the horse's... I mean EULA.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Well, if your saying that the key will still work... that may be true. However, if you can no longer use the key legally by the agreement... in that sense the key is invalid. You might be able to still get around it... but if your willing to pirate the OS in the first place... why would you buy an upgrade?
- DuckFOO, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15What if you decide that Vista is problematic and you won't use it until Vista SP1 is out? You can't switch back to using XP while you wait? (I did something like this when moving from Win2000 to XP; I didn't finally switch to until SP1 came out)
- lucianolev, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21If you are being ironic you suck as a comedian. If not, you are an idiot.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Use 2000 if you're upgrading. No central key checks. Use a pirated version of 2000 if you must.
- matthewaaron, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14XP didn't require you to install a previous version of windows to install the upgrade... it askes you to insert your previous version CD to validate that you have a previous version. I can only hope Vista behaves the same way.
- rhodesbr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13This is simply not true. Vista comes with 'downgrade' rights to any prior Windows OS (Straight from the Microsoft guys I work with). Basically the EULA means you can't go re-install your old XP key on a second computer once you've done your upgrade to Vista on your first computer.
- jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Thank you for being rational
too bad we'll both get dugg down for it - Jerim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9It's the same principle as if you took your car into get it "updated" with tinted windows. Once the windows are tinted, you don't get the updated car AND the original car back. You only get one or the other. That is the same case. Just as with the the tinted windows, you can always uninstall the update and go back to the original. You just can't use both at the same time.
- anonymoz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9sigh. and this is an example of the problem with digg.
- Miche1987, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You're both dugg up for being rational.
I'd do it twice out of spite if I could. - ialan2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10or illegal work around.
- jpb0104, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Buy OEM versions.
- yock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Seems like this should be obvious, I mean, you *are* getting a discount for already owning one license.
- duke_nate, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12You left out the part "it works".
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8yes, that would seem reasonable. except, that is not what is happening.
The Vista Upgrade license says "you cant use this Vista Upgrade and concurrently use the XP license"
Nice, friendly. It doesnt "Break" your old license. You could (if you chose to do so) run the Vista and XP on a second machine. Nothing except your conscience stops you.
This digg story is 100% made-up, unadulterated MS bashing...More effort by Mac Fanboys to tarnish the Vista Launch. - jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7No because you can still install and have it sit on your computer for a few days before activating XP
- awhiteflame, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Is that really a quote from the EULA? If so, that's some not-great grammar..
"After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."
...should be...
"After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software from which you upgraded." - ray901, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10hehe never before have I come across such a popular product that has so many of it's users pissed off.
Never before have I come across so many people who desperately want to pirate a product that they never cease calling a piece of crap.
P.s. wasn't this discussed to death just yesterday? - 404UserNotFound, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Seems inaccurate. I didn't see anything that stated that my XP CD Key would be 'deactivated' - and even if it is deactivated from online authentication Microsoft's tech support will help you activate over the phone. I've installed Windows XP from a disk using the CD Key from a Dell System Sticker - I called Microsoft when it wouldn't activate and they immediately issued me an activation key.
What a bunch of religious zealots who jump on everything anti-Microsoft without verifying the facts. Good grief. - killerpoke, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Yep, time for me to switch to a mac.
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It doesn't literally deactivate the key it just advises you that using it again is a EULA violation.
- Matteos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@SoCalChris
I wonder if XP demanded satisfaction? - StripeyMagee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ah proprietary software, gotta love it!.
- daverp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5How is this DRM? Licensing and DRM are very different things.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5what happens if...( and in my case on of my pc's it is....) i buy a windows vista upgrade disk??
---orignally ran Win Me
---upgraded to Win2k
---upgraded to WinXP (via upgrade disk) - LocalScope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5>>Which basically means if you don't like Vista you have to buy another WinXP license?
No it means you must first remove Vista then install WinXP. Thats what "upgrade" means you are
not planning on using the lower version (XP) while using the new version (Vista). You can have
either on the computer at once just not both on different machines. - chrisjs169, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"mntpng1, you just re-install XP using your new Vista key and you're fine. Downgrade rights people, downgrade rights!!"
And I thought that it took the WinXP key.... - Essefgy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If this is true it's the dumbest thing I've read in...a half hour or so.
- finite, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@kevinsabs: "What I said is" . . . LOL
@Microsoft: ROFL! Brilliant strategy there, sure to win people over :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"what happens if you need to re-install vista, you need xp on their first..."
Even if the Vista upgrade invalidates your key you could still install for 30 days. But if the upgrade requires a VALID license key, you're basically screwed. The invalidated key won't pass WGA. If that's what the Vista upgrade is looking at to see if the upgrade is valid, you're hosed.
I'm not sure that's how it works but it wouldn't surprise me. Lately that type of behavior is typical for MSFT as they have to squeeze their user base harder and harder to maintain their quarterly numbers. You're not a customer, you're a piggy bank and MSFT wants as many of your pennies as they can get.
None of the businesses I start will run any MSFT product. Zip, zero, nada. - AMSRay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Software licenses have used similar text for decades. If you buy an upgrade product at a lower cost than the full product, you lose rights to the previous version unless you remove the upgrade and reinstall the old version. Otherwise why would they sell an upgrade for less money? Deceptive headline and mostly speculative article. Now if Microsoft DOES disable the the original product so that you are unable to reinstall it, that would be news. I don't think even they are that stupid.
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