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- GreatDrok, on 10/12/2007, -21/+92I still don't see the point in all that transparency. When I first used OS X it had lots of transparency but with each generation that has been toned down and now it is barely noticible. All transparency does is confuse. MS has blurred the image that shows through somewhat but it still looks cluttered. Every screen shot I have seen of Aero Glass looks nasty.
- echeese, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40I think that Aero Glass and Aqua both look very nice.
- Tyrax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33Glass effect isn't functional per say, it does put the focus on the center of the window, but I think that it looks nice. It doesn't take a huge performance hit because its rendered on the video card gpu. And it expands on the 'Windows' metaphor since your windows are panes of glass. If you don't like the transparency, there is a setting for opacity.
- dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -5/+37Considering it ran fine on my ***** Radeon 9600, you're an idiot.
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35I also like it, a lot, the only problem is that people [on here] don't respect other's opinions and tastes.
Yes, OS X/Gnome/KDE all look very nice (I prefer Gnome with some customising, or OS X with UNO) but just because YOU do not like a GUI doesn't mean it IS horrible.
Just respect other's personal tastes when it comes to things like this. When you're in an art gallery do you insult people/ who like a piece of art which you don't or the piece of art itself (I'm not tryng to outlaw 'constructive criticism') ? :) - eplawless, on 10/12/2007, -9/+38I have Aero running with blur on Ubuntu (completely identical) and I honestly haven't had a problem with readability. If you don't like the glass, use the default theme, which isn't that bad looking.
- davdav, on 10/12/2007, -24/+52Am I the only one who thinks it is absolutely gorgeous?
- Odiwan, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34From the article:
"Note: Just in case you were wondering where the name "Aero" came from, we hear it's an acronym for "authentic, energetic, reflective and open."
My Ass. It is simply chosen because as an equivalent to "Aqua". - Sanchez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Damn orsino, don't be so goddamn violent, it's just a program. A $30 video card would surfice for Vista, I had a 6200 that ran vista beta 2 perfectly.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20I have words for Microsoft-- They thought that little hurdle would stop people running XP full stop. If the pirates want the glass interface, they'll get it.
- KJay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21"If you're thinking about running the Glass interface on a pirated copy of Windows, Microsoft has three little words for you: Forget about it."
Haha, hilarious. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19You have full control over the percentage of transparency you want the glass to have... it is completely configurable in the control panel. So adjust it to your needs.
- raindogmx, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22I don't know what's all the fuzz about. UIs like Aero have been around for quite a long time. If you like it, use it.
The botomline is that it is just eye candy, it doesn't really matter. - chrismtz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21"I don't care how pretty they make it... I'm never upgrading to Vista."
Hey I bet you said the same thing when Windows XP came out. Look at you now! Truth is you probably wont have a choice in the future M$ will push it down your throat whether you like it or not. - illicium, on 10/12/2007, -16/+31What really annoys me about Aero's transparency is that the titlebars of windows are pretty much 90% transparent, and it's hard/unusual to recognize differnt windows when all you have are the buttons and some glass-like blur
- rnelsonee, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23The Alt+Tab implementation epotimizes Microsoft's utter lack of understanding how people use computers. Alt+Tab itself is a nice idea - show all open windows and let the user select one of them. In earlier versions, it was flawed because of the use if identical icons (right now, using Win2K, I have several identical PowerPoint icons representing different presentations). Microsoft attacked the identical icon issue by simply taking a screenshot of each app/document window - nice idea, but now all they did was make some stupid 3D-looking stack of applications, but only *one* application window is fully visible. They thought that by making things look pretty that they'd solve their problem. Look at this:
http://www.dylangreene.com/custom/Image/alttablonghorn.jpg
Can you tell me which page is the one with all those wedding pictures I was looking at? Of course not - only one window is really visible, and you have to cycle to find the one you want - *just like before* (with the identical-icon issue, the title of the document was displayed in the Alt-Tab box, so you knew when to stop).
I hate to be an Apple fanboy (if it matters, 3/4 of my computers at home run Windows), but Expose got it right. Drag your mouse to a corner (the single-most easiest place to get your curor), and *all* the open windows appear - in full. Click on the one you want, and it comes to the forefront. M$ can be accused of copying all they want - at least Vista users would get something that works. - OBDriftwood, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16I wonder how the Aero Glass interface will improve the look of the BSOD.
- UNL1M1T3D, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I was disappointed in the very little amount of customization that could be done to it. It looks nice, but I like the ability to change things up, like I can in Linux. Since this is beta I hope they have some more layouts or give you more of a way to customize it.
- aconbere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Heh... that first screenshot doesn't show the rest of the command prompt where they still haven't properly skinned the scroll bar (still windows classic!). In fact up until the latest releases all of command.exe was still windows classic skinned, just like it in windows XP. Is there no one at that company that sits and questions standard look and feel?
- radiofrequency, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10It'll be ok as long as the Windows Classic look is still available.
- uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11It's cool that Microsoft has spent some time focusing on the user interface for Vista. Like it or not, it's an important part of the user experience, and if I have to spend a minimum of 8 hours a day looking at something, it better look decent. As it stands, Windows has had the same interface since 1995 (No, Luna doesn't count. It's just a bunch of bitmaps dropped over top of the same old tired interface), and it's well over due for a facelift. While the classic explorer interface still exists in Vista, I am given the impression (and hope it's correct) that Aero is a completely seperate system.
Of course, nothing they've done is really new or particularly innovative, it is nice to see Windows getting a much needed facelift, even if it's not perfect. - Kosterfield, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10The BSOD is actually uglier then in 95. I have to say I preferred the 95 one.
- sailor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11It is nice looking....looks just like my Fedora Core 5 w/KDE, Kristal decoration...etc
Nice looking but hardly a reason to buy vista... - Syntaxis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@deadbaby - I totally agree, the thing is though.. that Windows has set interface guidelines, I'm not certain those exist for Java and opensource applications. Truth be told.. a lot of them just have a worthless interface. Programmer gone designer syndrome I guess..
- Eoxx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7to "Agrajag" ..
on Linux you can try XGL+Compiz that gives you the 3D desktop
Compiz gives you a lot of theme to chose for and this includes Vista decoration for the windows- with or without transparency ...
You ca, also try Mac OS decoration if you like (it also exists for Linux)
This explains "championchap" entry
That is why Linux (and Ubuntu) is so much in the news nowadays ... You can have all the eye candy of the concurrents for free so why pay for a new graphic card when on Linux it already runs (XGL is not yet final software ) with actual hardware .. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11"Hey I bet you said the same thing when Windows XP came out. Look at you now! Truth is you probably wont have a choice in the future M$ will push it down your throat whether you like it or not."
Actually, I'm saving to buy a MacBook Pro 17". It's because of Vista that I'm switching. - philipz78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Like classic?
- lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I agree Glass is nothing compared to XGL. Even the coolest glass feature, the "3d flip", is crap compared to the XGL cube. From the screenshots of glass there doesn't appear to be any fun window deformation or rain drops.
If Vista's Glass wasn't tied into the operating system so that other GUIs could be written for windows, now that would be a notable improvement for Windows; Windows would be almost half as cool as Linux. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6a lot of these functions can be had on xp with third party software..
most eye candy i find actually reduces functionality.. as a tech i despise all the cutsey themes.
an exception is one of the xgl demos i have seen in linux.. some of that eye candy is actually functional.. But only some. :) - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I have no use for transparency in Vista. It is a gimmick of questionable value and it causes eyestrain. Not to mention battery strain.
I also think the GUI looks horrible. A rainbow of colors, gradients, and mixed-up materials. Is it glass, is it plastic, is it metal? When you put all those conflicting things together, it just doesn't have a cohesive look to it. - orsino23, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8chrismtz, XP even before the SPs was a quantum leap over the motley trash that was passing for Windows (ME anyone?). I agree that there will be a time that XP will become outmoded but unless Gates can buy out Apple and every Linux flavour, I'm always going to have an alternative!
- bigtomrodney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@jam705
Active directory was a huge change to Windows, that was only in 2000 and there have been many updates to it. It is not in need of an update in my opinion even if it was an idea stolen from Novell.
CLI changes? Obviously you haven't tried Monad/Windows Power Shell. They're really going BASH on this one. Not 100% the same, but there is certainly a Unix cue in there. - MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Does that mean running pirated copies of Windows is OK, as long as you don't use Aero?
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Luna looks like something designed by Fischer Price. You're a masochist! ;-)
- championchap, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4it looks better than XP i guess.. but, well, to me.. the default Ubuntu theme actually looks better still.
its all down to personal preference.. but im not a semi transparency ran when it comes to window managers.
on the plus side, they look to have made Vista much better looking than any previous microsoft OS.. and they seem to be keepijng things uniform! Finally! - Mirag3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Not to uh, burst a bubble or anything, but Aero Glass - meet XGL.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws&mode=related&search=
http://www.saguratus.com/nick/xgl/xgl-kde.avi (super high def) - PicklePower, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why does this article talk about the structure of the wizards? That really has nothing to do with the Aero interface. Shows that the person writing the article doesn't really know what's what in Windows.
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Why can't Alt Tab just bring up the windows as they do when you release Alt-Tab? No little list, no flip stack, just as they are? Originally it took time to draw, but not so much anymore.
- alwaysmc2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"If you're thinking about running the Glass interface on a pirated copy of Windows, Microsoft has three little words for you: Forget about it. Vista will run a Windows Genuine Advantage check to verify that the OS is legal before it'll let you run Glass. "
Well... I figured some of you guys might want to know this: If you have a Beta 2 key from Microsoft it will work on the newer builds. Registering and everything! :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9For those that dont understand the hype of xgl
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?SCID=22&CIID=35615
check out the videos on bottom of page
for the youtube fans .. not same vid as above
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_2vKq5cZk
or you can look at more
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=xgl&search=Search - Ordinant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How exactly does enabling the LInks and Menu toolbars equate with not knowing what one is talking about? If it is your personal preference to turn those off, fine. That doesn't make lesser mortals out of anyone who knows how to use those features and likes them.
If you never learned how useful the Links toolbar is, also fine, but that doesn't speak well for your knowing what you're talking about. The same feature is called Bookmarks Toolbar Folder in Firefox, but IE had it first. - djliquidice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4^^ .. and compared to OSX's latest Aqua enhancements and/OR XGL, it's still light years away from "Cool".
- gsmolders, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3With all this discussion about Aero etc.. i would like to point out the website that the author of this article has opened in the screenshots:
www.shinder.net
goddamn... is that the author in that picture? - mingistech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3it's aqua's ugly stepchild!
- sphykik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"One final note: If you're thinking about running the Glass interface on a pirated copy of Windows, Microsoft has three little words for you: Forget about it. Vista will run a Windows Genuine Advantage check to verify that the OS is legal before it'll let you run Glass."
haha... two little words for you microsoft
autopatcher and a crack - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Flip 3d and the osx like "search" are the only things i like about vista at all
- DonLapre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My biggest problem with Aero is you cannot have hardware accelerated GUI without the Aero interface. Want classic but dont want slow GDI, not available.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -11/+13The main thing I dislike about Areo (and Windows in general) is that you have a bunch of diferent GUI widgets/toolkits out there so you never have a consistent look and feel. It's really distracting to me to see all these different types of UI widgets, different open/save dialogs, and different visual styles. I realize it's more of an application issue than an OS problem but it's really ugly as hell. Linux suffers the same problems and I can't stand it. I try to use all GTK apps when I can to smooth things out.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Because then you can't cancel easily, you have to shift-alt-tab or alt-tab around again. with alt-tab you can esc out, or do the same thing i mentioned first without windows flashing around left right and center.
win-tab is pretty close to what you want, people already said that though... - retrofitme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Aero/Glass is quite nice when compared to the Fisher-Price OS that is XP.
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