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- c0ldevil, on 10/12/2007, -6/+137"Vista supporting DRM is a good thing, it means you can play your HD-DVD/Bluray media in it's full quality"
It's not a good thing. A good thing would be to be able to play HD-DVD/Blu-ray media in its full quality without these very unfriendly restrictions. It's not good to have to buy that specific screen or videocard just to see the movie. Damn, someday you'll have to buy a compliant chair so that you can watch your movie in full quality. One that electrocutes you if it detects some anomaly.
Sheesh.. the worst (best) thing is that these mechanism are ALWAYS cracked.. - Beautyon, on 10/12/2007, -33/+135The first step is not to buy Vista at all.
- phor2zero, on 10/12/2007, -7/+79Very first step, but it gives hope.
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of course, i had to dig you up. whoever is happy with drm is either working for the content industry, or just simply a brainwashed bitch of the content industry (a.k.a. a ***** moron) - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40"Damn, someday you'll have to buy a compliant chair so that you can watch your movie in full quality."
Shh, don't give them any ideas. - kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+38I'm going to hazard a guess and say most of the people who are running Vista Ultimate didn't buy it.
- gamerzworld, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21I bet tomorrow that the "Anytime Upgrade" feature in Vista will be cracked to enable the Ultimate version.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23@yournamehere
i suppose that you recognized yourself among the group of people who are brainwashed bitches of the content industry (a.k.a. morons). i understand that truth hurts, :P (***** retard, as i say to myself) - milomilomilo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20that was fast
first the hd-dvd than blueray, now vista drm model.
o_o
gotta give them credit, when someone is toating their drm as strong on uncrackable, thats when they get cracked the soonest. just remember the 360. - c0ldevil, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18RTFA and Guttman's article (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_Video_Path).
:) - evolver, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15The answer is simple: don't buy Vista, iTunes or any product using DRM and it will go away. EMI and other companies have already given up using it on their music because the bad PR and cost far outweight the gains. Oh, Norway, has made ipods DRM illegal. Watch, if people resist it is NOT futile. :D get an Iriver instead of Ipod because there is no DRM. go to emusic rather than apple itunes. the word "no" is a powerful word. all you have to do is USE it. Check this out: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/en/guide
- Fascist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16They make the same mistakes over and over again.
- Takteek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15There must be something that I'm not understanding... Is Microsoft stupid? Obviously, no matter how much protection they add, it is only a matter of time before someone cracks it. The people that they are trying to stop from pirating are the people that will bypass the protection the fastest. Microsoft has basically wasted over a year of work, because in the end, all they're doing is adding unnecessary bloat to the OS.
Yes, I know, programmers are supposed to code defensively. But you can only control so much before you overstep your boundaries. What's next? A locked computer case that sets off an alarm if you try to open it?
If I pay $2000 for a computer and an operating system, I SHOULD be able to do what I want with it. It is not up to Microsoft to tell me to buy a new copy of their software if I replace my motherboard. It is not up to them to tell me what I can and can't do with movies and music in my own home.
This is the end of me purchasing products from Microsoft unless they make some very drastic changes. - redrighthand, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12when will DRM go away? as long as their is content protection there will be a will and a way to circumvent it-
- TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13actualy this is good news for Microsoft. This way the movie studios will allow content to be played on PCs and you won't have to deal with all the DRM crap
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13[quote]You mean AACS, as in whats used in Blue Ray and HD-DVD right?
Cause thats where the protection is, Vista just supports it, the same as set top boxes do, and no other PC OS does.[/quote]
That's the DRM for these drives, but it is not what is running in Vista. What Vista has is something that supports this type of DRM, along with quite a few other things.
Vista's "DRM" is on all the time. It's not even DRM, but a security system that also manages driver signatures, document permissions in Office, hardware identification and encryption ( like Bitlocker). If you have a TPM chip, it can use it to create a sort of digital ID for your system so that it can be used to verify your identity--or to track you and your documents.
Guttman's article is correct, you should read it. People should stop calling this system in Vista DRM and call it what it is: "Trusted Computing."
I'm not sure to what extent Apple has implemented the same Trusted Computing system, but apparently they have to some degree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing
https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/home - jacotyco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11they spend millions and millions on DRM tech just to have it bypassed a few weeks later. they should just give up, it would save them a lot of money. That is all they care about right?
- lopla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9More breaking news:
"I will destroy Alex Ionescu!!!!!!!!!!!!! [chair is thrown across room] [shrieks follow with loud yelps]"
-Ballmer - Sabin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9The 360 is hardly cracked. When I am running unsigned code off a USB connected storage device then it will be cracked.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13How is it not Microsoft's fault that they have implmented a requirement they could have used thier size to dismiss? Would HD-DVD really be able to say "no" if Microsoft said they were going to ignore the protected path requirements of AACS? Would either format really be able to withstand Windows PC's everywhere not being able to play HD discs in the future?
Microsoft is to blame through acts of omission, if not downright cowardness. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Amen. I don't care how cracked Vista gets. They can't be trusted. They proved they are not on MY side or serving MY needs, by putting the DRM in the system AGAINST my wishes, in the first place.
So I'm not their customer anymore, and I'm not going to do anything to help them.... including pirating their OS. I'm not giving them the market share of my desktop. - Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@schu
How long did you think it took? Vista has been out for a while and in commercial businesses for months.
And why are you focusing on making fun of Microsoft, you do realize alot of other companies have DRM too, right? They are not creating DRM but actually allowing you to play DRM content in their OS. Which OS do you have? Is there no DRM involved on yours?
P.S. where did you get the idea that Microsoft isn't doing well? - belibem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Also you are cracking a Microsoft OS, Microsoft could release an update tomorrow and break your cracks."
I bet you did not read the article ;) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@superkendall and manageMyRights
dont you think that microsoft's interests overlap with those of the content industry? - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7[quote]Now to get the work on that User Account Protector-thing.[/quote]
What are you talking about? You can already turn that off.
There are worse things about Vista than that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15btw, yournameishere, tell me more of your vast knowledge of bioengineering
- Holyfool19, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I won't make any friends by saying this, but Windows XP SP2 is a fine operating system, and I believe it makes a lot of sense for a power user who enjoys gaming and easy multi-media to buy a legit copy (OEM costs only a bit over 100$). Windows XP is a reliable, somewhat safe (when used along with a brain), highly compatible and powerful operating system. I do notice that this thread is about Vista, but the mentality of not buying an OS for a computer, an OS you will use each and every day, an OS you will appreciate and rely on, just because it's easy to crack, strikes me as being kinda cheap.
- kingatrock, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6yeh, like xp lol.
- Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Microsoft should just say no to Hd-Dvd and Blu-Ray DRM. They have enough control over the market to destroy both formats."
I don't buy that argument. MS is not the way most normal people (diggers don't count as normal) watch movies. MS is in fact a small player in this space (this is nor the desktop space), and probably does not have much pull with the MPAA.
Still the fact that Vista's DRM is cracked will make me more likely to buy vista and HD movies (my computer monitor is the only HD screen i own) so everyone wins right? - Harboggles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8When will these stupid people stop trying to use DRM.
- Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This actually doesn't work in a "Trusted Computing" protected system because
* The audio cable you're using didn't sign on to the system and therefore cannot send credentials upstream
* The microphone you're using was obviously not manufactured using AACS standards, and also cannot provide an encrypted path. It also hasn't got the protection required.
In other words, if your sound card has the trusted computing crap in it, if you plug those in, it WONT PLAY protected content until you plug in a "AACS certified" recording device, which wont record protected content anyway.
If the sound card is not AACS approved and therefore doesn't do the checking stuff, then it will not have the required certificates/decryption keys in order to decrypt the content in the first place.
You see, "Trusted Computing" is all about getting content protection into -every- link in the chain. - Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm confused how does Apple gets past supporting DRM? please explain or do they not allow movies and music to play. Microsoft did not create DRM but must follow the rules like everyone else. Again please explain why MS has DRM and Apple doesn't???
Anyone on this thread please answer. - AniceAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I have used microsoft product since MS-DOS 5.something and used the dreaded windows 3.0 all the way to Windows XP SP2. I have slowly been switching all my computers to Ubuntu since I found out about Vista's DRM scheme.
I want to have control over my computer and will never agree to give said control over to Microsoft to protect the interests of billion dollar companies over mine!! - testcase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3LIVE DRM FREE!
- opieum, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I think MS does this on purpose. They are not stupid. They know hackers will break the system somehow. They say the things they do because:
They want the hackers to hack it so that people who want to use windows will use windows whatever it takes....prolifieration of windows keeps them in buinsess. Even if the copies are pirated they still have the mindshare and they limit the amount of people who migrate to Macs or Linux. They may fight it on the larger level but how often do you hear of MS going after pirates pro actively like the RIAA or MPAA? they really dont. They do send cease and desist orders and such and most people comply.
Then there is the movie/music industry. They are trying to appease them. With all the piracy the Movie and Music industries have a tighter grip on the tech they are licensing out. It is a way for those industries to also have an excuse to search your computer. When they find that DRM has been broken they can use that as the smoking gun of proof to nail people. Before you flame me about this there is no real legal precedent so your opinion on this could be as wrong as mine. Just keep that in mind since it has not been put to the test.
In the end all these things benefit MS. Apple is a decent alternative for the time being. Linux also is as well. Since that is my opinion based on my uses of a computer that is not wrong, as is your opinion for which os is better for you. I play games hence the need for a windows machine. But it will not be Vista for some time until I have a compelling reason to go to vista.
Anyway I digress. The above benefits MS.
1. Cracking DRM even tho it is unbreakable
2. Something
3. Profit!!! - sillyelf74, on 10/12/2007, -20/+23Vista -Schmista! I'm just fine with my trusty OEM version of XP Pro and have no desire to upgrade to Vista.
- NewPunk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Who thinks he should just upload his "tool" to the usual torrent sites and be out with it. Pirate Bay or ISOHunt would be nice, hope to be seeing this up there, Alex :)
- Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The funny thing is that these companies are probably sinking millions of dollars into DRM etc, just for one guy in his basement to crack it in 2 weeks.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This driver signing ***** is why I don't use Vista. I tested it for months, all the way up 'til RC2, and I ended up reformatting the drive and installing a fresh copy of XP Pro.
The insanity of having to press F8 each time you boot the OS (which they will eventually deprecate, mark my words) to use a perfectly written (but unsigned) driver is unreal.
The people who made my HDA Digital Mystique AC3 7.1 sound card will NOT be making a signed version of the driver - #1 because the old 64 bit driver works perfectly, #2 ASIO and unmixed streams are not supported under Vista - all Vista allows is their own private final "mix" - there is no point in trying to enhance the sound because the OS has already resampled everything. There is no point to fancy chipsets - they can't do anything because they can't access the raw data they need.
***** OBSCENE. - ckedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Someone with a wordpress account post the following to his blog comments:
elendal1 said in your blog comments…"You are Canadian right? The DMCA only applies in the US citizens." -- This is a very dangerous assumption these days. Most Canadians at some point in their lives desire to travel to or must pass through the USA. It's entirely possible you will be arrested and charged at that time, even though your actions were outside the US. Unless you a) get very very good legal counsel telling you that it will not happen, or b) are willing to avoid travel to, through, or even near the US - you may wish to reconsider public release. And you're going to be the first suspect shoudl it be "anonymously" released, so you may wish to avoid doing that too. - Aquashark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4go Romanian hackers! ^_^
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5You know what I like? I like the new version of Ubuntu that installs on the same partition as Windows, eliminating the need for all those past crazy installation procedures. Now even a complete noob can run Linux, just click and install.
- testcase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2*****' funny!
- HonoredMule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The first and only step is to protect your own media from DRM'd formats themselves.
If you don't protect your content itself, you will never control anything, now matter how open your OS. - manageMyRights, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Certainly content and hardware companies will come together if its in their best interests, but I don't think it will be in most cases. The iPod isn't popular because of the iTunes music store. If it didn't play mp3s you can download for free or rip from a CD few people would own one. Similarly, people don't upgrade their computers or get faster internet service to browse the web or download "protected media".
- juliocgrajales, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope he releases it, everything on the internet should be open and to some extent free, if not at least available for a prize... he did a great job, humans have the ability of troubleshooting finding a flaw in something and fixing it... Microsoft ofcourse can hire this guy or at least buy his work and make a better product but of course that would mean Microsoft had some idea of making a good product to begin with... Don't get me wrong Microsoft is by all means not the only company even Open Source software has problems but the big difference is that they find and fix, they don't hide it and they don't charge a ridiculous high amount and forcing people to upgrade with dirty tactics.... whatever life goes on and one day Apple will be big gun and I will be as happy to attack Apple when it tries to hide the truth and not come out with a better product when they have the ability and the money to do so...
- Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I bet I won't
- Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just to be anal: it's "Ogg", not "OGG". Actually, it's "Vorbis" and "Theora", not "Ogg" or "OGG"; Ogg is only a container format.
- FatShady, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Can you cite a source for that information?
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