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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34I thought it was standard operating procedure to always start fresh when installing or reinstalling any MS operating system.
- Nodren, on 10/12/2007, -11/+39if you only tried vista beta or release canidate version, then you really should try the RTM, any of the negative stuff said about vista before the RTM(thats their final version) came out, really is irrelevant now, i use vista at home(i would at work too if my boss let me) but i have yet to have a problem with vista, infact i'm VERY impressed with the 64-bit support, something that will allow developers to actually write 64 bit versions of their software. the other features, such as the media center, the new look and feel of the start menu and windows explorer, are so convenient i miss not having them while working on XP. so dont knock it til you try it.
- thecompkid, on 10/12/2007, -10/+35As a mac fanatic, I completely agree that Microsoft took a large step forward with Vista. I am anxious to run Vista alongside OS X on my macbook.
- DoodlesMcPooh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26I remember how much rubbish 98 used to leave when you upgraded to XP. I am sure Microsoft have improved on that but with any operating system being large nowadays I would not want it taking up more space than necessary. I personally use Linux but I still like to have a clean install when I upgrade.
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32Its a shame, Vista sounds more and more awesome every time I hear about it, and I thought it would be a total flop. But I will never use an actual OS that ENFORCES DRM. I don't even mind DRM as much as the EFF or FSF do, although I personally avoid it at all costs. I mean, I can understand media player apps enforcing DRM, etc, but for the OS itself to enforce DRM is just insane. An OS shouldn't do anything against the user/administrators will! Even Apple, who must make several times as much off DRM technologies as MS does, hasn't proposed pulling a stunt like that. OSes are for managing system resources and multi-tasking, not policing people.
- TheHarbinger667, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20"The fact that the Creative drivers are still horribly bugged."
So Creative being slow on their driver release makes it Microsoft's fault... how? - TheHarbinger667, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I'm not sure what all the whining here about "Vista sucks" is. Perhaps people are complaining that it has steep system requirements? That's really only for Aero and other special features. You can disable all that stuff if your system can't handle it, but complaining that Vista "sucks" because it requires a more powerful computer is simply naive. XP required a more powerful computer than Windows 2000, just as Windows 95 required a more powerful machine than Windows 3.1.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Windows ME sucked, and sucked hard, I agree. So there is NO WAY Vista will suck as bad as ME. I think Microsoft learned a good lesson with ME (well let us hope).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16um you mean linux don't forget that Ubuntu is a linux distro and not its own os.
- cougar618, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@ nikhilnidhi
You called tech support about using BETA SOFTWARE?!?!? What the ***** is wrong with you? You should EXPECT problems from beta software. Its part of the reason why you can get it free online. - SparQy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12So... have you used Vista? I've been using RTM on a daily basis since its release, I run Vista MCE at home as my main DVR, and I develop corporate software on the platform. I think I can say this qualifies me to attest to the quality of Vista.
So again, have you used Vista, or are you just blowing smoke out your ass? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I prefer that I can use my media how I want. If I want to put a copy of a legal DVD I own on a hard drive for my own personal use... I want to do it.
- TheHarbinger667, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I'm trying to figure out what you said besides "don't buy a notebook with a vista upgrade."
- Lazybones, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I went to the Vista Launch event in my city.. They did a live demo of how easy the upgrade process from XP to Vista was.. I kid you not their upgrade failed half way through with an error.
I personally would go with a clean install ANY time I am changing between major windows releases. - mukestar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/28/vista_drm_analysis/
This is the main reason im going to avoid Vista. ( i work in Education, and theres not a chance in hell Vista`s going to run on 97% of our machines for the next 2 years, so avoiding it is not going to be to hard). Ive had Vista installed, ive played around with it, but there`s no way im paying for an operating system thats been infested with DRM hooks purely for the reason of appeasing the money grabbing arse monkeys that regulate the "entertainment" industry. Personally i think buying Vista is one step to accepting the fact that you dont mind the fact that even though you pay for media, your dictated on what hardware you can play it on, how long you can play it and who you can play it to.
And believe me, im not a windows basher. I been a Windows user since Windows 95 , but this whole DRM issue is getting out of hand. - salinemist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Well, you know. lt's a toolbox. You put the tools in for the job." -Sam
- cuwickliffe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I heartily recommend staying away from Vista unless you were forced to buy it with a new PC. You'll find that your current PC won't run it well and it's just not worth it. I'll probably stick with XP until my laptop dies and even then perhaps Ubuntu or some other Linux flavor will be absolutely perfect by then. I honestly don't see Microsoft being able to add (embed) anything we might find "useful" in another OS. Well, except more bugs. I just don't know. I can't justify punching a Benjamin on Vista right now. Maybe after SP1 if I absolutely have to.
- sven007, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@Mythos
Actually, i heard that it actually is slower at playing non DRM content... - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -0/+5What kind of an AMATEUR HOUR IT IMBECILE tries to upgrade a SERVER OS with a DESKTOP OS?
I guess the same kind that doesn't make a restorable backup before doing so, eh?
You screwed yourself, mate. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What distribution do you use? Obviously if you're upgrading from an unstable branch it's sensible to do a fresh install to get rid of any broken config files or permissions etc, but from stable to stable you're basically just upgrading packages like in any security update.
- LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -0/+5Read the article. It describes very clearly the way that Vista migrates settings from XP into the clean Vista install. It is an entirely different process than the previous "upgrade in place while keeping all the crap" XP upgrade procedure.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5LBG - you sound like a brainwashed tool, all washed up on shore from a long time out at sea. Haven't been keeping up on current events, except in your own closed-minded existence and opinion, or better yet, get your news from your friend's "news" blogs and believe everything you read that has a negative spin on what you don't like and has a positive spin on what you do like - typical FUD spreader, with no real knowledge to share.
- thorndike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Amen Brother....
I want a tool (and yes, your OS is a tool) that will help me get my job done without getting in the way. MS has since crawled into bed with the entertainment industry and implemented severe draconian DRM restrictions in VISTA. This in turn has forced the hardware industry to create hardware that will enforce the DRM thus making sure that in a few years everyone is going to have to buy new equipment. All of this at the expense of WinFS and all the other goodies that were going to be in VISTA but were removed. If a bunch of volunteers around the world can make a secure filesystem, ext3, ReiserFS, why can't the worlds biggest software company? I can only assume that they redeployed their programmers to work on DRM issues.
Beware of Trusted Computing (it isn't).
DRM = Digital RESTRICTIONS Management
As IT Manager that has viewed and tested VISTA, we have already decreed that VISTA will not exist on our PCs. We are now starting a long term project to move to linux when XP becomes unsupportable. - realyst, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Cost, DRM, better alternatives elsewhere, and the wasted resources to make it pretty.
Equally, there is no reason to switch from XP at this time. And I certainly don't intend to play DX10 games anytime soon(especially if they continue their artificial crippling of it to prevent back porting to XP).
For clarification on the DRM:
All the silly HiDef protection schemes and crippling of burning copies of data deemed possible naughty. Also, the 'voltage' thing that's supposed to guess that fluctuation in voltage on your PC(commonplace on homebuilt PCs) is illegal activity and thus your computer must freeze.
Oh yeah, and MS's ability to disable function(like the 'save' option in an MS app) anytime and in any way they please, if they think you're a pirate: be you one or not(because lord knows the WGA gets confused on that enough)
I don't need to pay 500$ to get something that tells me how I can use my computer. - TheHarbinger667, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51) You can disable UAC with a couple clicks. It's put there for the average user, not power users.
2) Alcohol has said in many places that their software isn't compatible with Vista, as well as other users commenting on application compatibility throughout beta stages of Vista. Perhaps reading the website before installing next time? - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4q
In fact, there's no Divx codec that works with Vista.
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Try VIDEOLAN.org VLC plays divx just fine on Vista. - schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I personally will upgrade to Windows Vista. I don't see a personal benefit in going for Ultimate, but I will certainly spring for Home Premium. About all the anti Microsoft comments, Vista is a nice step up from Xp, both on the kernel level, and on the user interface level. A lot of problems have been solved to the lesser few that have been created from Microsoft's new OS. I am very impressed, and look forward to getting rid of the now 6 year old Xp for a fresh install of Vista. Although less of a kernel level upgrade as 98 to Xp was (those upgrades were trash, a fresh install was neccisary due to the immense differences it needed to change), I will start fresh simply to get everything installed properly, drivers and whatnot, as it was my policy from Windows 2000 to Xp, which was a minor kernel level upgrade. (This upgrade is larger, but still NT to NT). As for one being better than (insert linux distro) or Mac OS X, that's a matter of personal preference. I use all three operating systems, and enjoy using each one . I feel that OS X is the most stable, but in the end of the day, I prefer Windows, and I think Vista will do that much more so for me now that the UI is more pleasing. That said, this was posted from Safari on Mac OS X.
- dazzy20034, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I like vista, found no problems with it so far...Would probally say its helping me in most things...
Setup was really easy, i remember dreading a format with xp due to network problems etc...took me a day
Vista was up and running within half hour, Heaven! - thorndike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Mythos,
You said:
WinFS means "Windows Future Storage" and it's not a filesystem.
In 2000 MS was working on BLACKCOMB which was the named of the planned successor to XP and WinServer 2003. It was to contain a database-based file system called Storage+ which was designed to replace the Windows File System. They couldnt get it working right so then reduced its functionality and called it RFS for (Relational File System). Since they couldn't get THIS working right, they removed more planned functionality and now we have WinFS which can't, unfortunately, be called Windows File System because it isn't one. So yes, I was incorrect when I implied that WinFS was CURRENTLY a File System.
I truly enjoy this back and forth and am thrilled it hasn't been reduced to name calling like other threads. I think all of us should take a step back and begin to look at what acceptance of VISTA will do to FUTURE innovation. If you haven't seen it yet, take a look at the document "A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection" by Peter Gutmann. The site is down now, but do a google search for it. For those that are interested this is a Fantastic covering of many of the issues concerning VISTA and it's implementation. Yes, a lot of it is worst case scenario, but as we have all found, if something is possible, someone will do it. - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3you are complaing about the fundamental flaws of xp and prior windows oses - which allowed any old program to take full control of the kernel - vista won't allow it out of the box now - people bitch that it's too open, now they bitch that it isn't open enough. BTW, You can turn off the annoying UAC if you want, at least it's an option now.
- thorndike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2MonkeyBoy,
There are a few other issues to think about. The ENFORCED DRM by MS will have a negative affect on the computer industry. The following is a snippet from Peter Gutmann's document concerning VISTA and its' implications entitled "A cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection". The industry can not innovate if architectures both hardware and software are kept secret. Remember IBMs PS2 line of computers?
Elimination of Open-source Hardware Support
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In order to prevent the creation of hardware emulators of protected output
devices, Vista requires a Hardware Functionality Scan (HFS) that can be used
to uniquely fingerprint a hardware device to ensure that it's (probably)
genuine. In order to do this, the driver on the host PC performs an operation
in the hardware (for example rendering 3D content in a graphics card) that
produces a result that's unique to that device type.
In order for this to work, the spec requires that the operational details of
the device be kept confidential. Obviously anyone who knows enough about the
workings of a device to operate it and to write a third-party driver for it
(for example one for an open-source OS, or in general just any non-Windows OS)
will also know enough to fake the HFS process. The only way to protect the
HFS process therefore is to not release any technical details on the device
beyond a minimum required for web site reviews and comparison with other
products.
This potential "closing" of the PC's historically open platform is an
extremely worrying trend. A quarter of a century ago, IBM made the momentous
decision to make their PC an open platform by publishing complete hardware
details and allowing anyone to compete on the open market. Many small
companies, the traditional garage startup, got their start through this. This
openness is what created the PC industry, and the reason why most homes
(rather than just a few offices, as had been the case until then) have one or
more PCs sitting in a corner somewhere. This seems to be a return to the bad
old days of 25 years ago when only privileged insiders were able to
participate. - synorgy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6i'll never buy a windows license again, but I will install it for 30 day to see what it's all about. Why switch when I have a perfectly capable OS right now?
Never understood talking down about an OS. Yes - I use GNU/Linux, but that's a choice I made. Archlinux does everything I want from it, and is stable as I could ever want, but if you want to play 'real' games - and don't mind a few viruses along the way - stick with Windows. Im realize that it probably sounds like I am talking down about Windows XP / Vista, but realize that each OS was built for a purpose - Windows is established as a gaming / office platform that is somewhat buggy and prone to viruses, MacOSX is built for multimedia and is stable (because of a relatively small market share), and GNU / Linux is servers and workstations (as well as a decent desktop OS) that is also built to be virus free(due to market share and restrictive permissions) and stable. - Lane, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4man i would be pissed if i had (paid for) XP 64 bit and found out i couldnt upgrade and had to pay full retail price of Vista
- Leiterfluid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Clean install if you can. The upgrade on my two-year old P4 2.8 Ghz laptop took HOURS (like, almost 9 of them).
- KanosWRX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I used Vista when it was even a beta and then tried using XP again. It just isn't as good. I wish I could run Vista at work. There are a lot of neat new little things that people don't really know about yet. But I think in time people will see that it really is a good OS. Just have a good PC to run it on.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Vista, so far, I've found - has good and bad points, nothing bad enough to warrant bashing it, or not upgrading it. To me the good outweigh the bad. For instance, I'm having problems with my scanner software working. With pain, I got the xp drivers working on vista, but it's shady. I can't say that I've had a better experience with Linux and hardware drivers, but I can say I expected more out of Vista. I'm told that MANY MANY more drivers are being added every week to the automatic update site - so perhaps when Vista is released on the 29th so will the proper drivers - we shall see.
- thorndike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Mythos, WDS 3.0 is NOT a filesystem. It is Windows Desktop Search and NOT a journaling file system.
Also, you said " You're forced to upgrade hardware ONLY if you want to play hd-dvd/blu-rays. You will have the same restriction with your TV, when the ITC (Image Token Constraint) will be turned on, your brand new standalone hddvd/bluray player will play only over HDMI and only in an encrypted form, and if your TV won't support HDMI and HDCP then you won't be able to play the content in HD." Doesn't this bother you?? If it doesn't is SHOULD. Why should we allow the Entertainment and Software industries remove what has been acceptable content 'Fair use' for for decades? Oh, and if you want to use AeroGlass (which is VISTAs only REAL improvement over XP) you are most likely going to have to buy a new video card. Oh yeah, and if you don't care about AeroGlass you still wont be able to run DirectX 10 on your current video card.
As to questioning my abilities, how many punch cards did you have to punch in your past? - ZPWeeks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What ticks me off is that I'd love to be able to do all of that from one OS- convergence on all three of those platforms is really developing, especially with OS X these days, but it's not there yet. Microsoft has total dominance over most enterprise business environments (except maybe servers) and that knocks a lot out of the other possibilities. Give me a really strong multimedia center that will also help my professional career without crashing, and you have my several hundred dollars. Or my GPL contributions.
- infernoskull, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this may be a stupid question, but can i install older software such as photoshop cs2 in windows vista? Is Vista compatible with windows xp installation programs? This is one thing that is going to change my decision on whether or not to switch to vista.
- cougar618, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2... Really.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been watching mp4 content with Media Player Classic on Vista since RC2.
You may have to look around for the compatible codec packs, but once installed they seem to work fine. - Tyseyh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lol at all the people that got dugg to oblivion.
An btw, I like vista ( Prepares to be dugg down because i said something good about vista) - liminaldust, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this article sux
5 pages of useless information
I know what to click to install the freaking windows
It should have been focused on WHY upgrade installation's not such a bad thing compared to clean install.
Whereas it gives you a paragraph on that, there's 20x more to read which is completely irrelevant and for absolute noobs who have never installed a single program on their machines.
dugg down for inaccurate representation - Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"experience the full might of the operating system"
s/ m/ sh
s/ght/te - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For one thing, CS2 had zero performance gain in Vista compared to XP. So there's not much benefit in upgrading yet. You're better off waiting until all the Vista bugs are worked out and drivers are available.
- ozid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1By the way, I ran Jedi Academy FLAWLESSLY on an Intel GMA 950 in Vista RC2 with Aero Glass enabled.
STDK it sounds to me like you either don't know how to build a computer... or you're preaching to the choir about incompatibility problems. - maggoty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only problem I have with vista is that basically, for 99% of all users its a file manager. Apart from that what else does it do that XP doesn't do? It launches the programs you use regularly.
I use office, firefox and a few other apps... Windows doesn't actually do that much apart from organising my files. The programs I run on Windows. Now that's the important stuff that I couldn't be without.
Its major bloatware when you consider that's primarily all it does. - Tyseyh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I had vista on a lil 10gb drive coz i didn't wana get rid of XP..yet
It was alright ran just fine but it took Sooooooooo long to boot... (about a min) Which is actually a lot. I have a 2.8 p4 768MB of ram an a saphire radeon 9550 gfx card.. not the fastest pc in the world i know but it does its job. i don't think vista is all that bad. the lil nag screens annoy me when u click a exe. Apart from that its pretty cool...
-wonders why i got rid of it-
I should put it back on that lil drive an get another lil drive an put my porn back on that haha :D - Sfmobius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It would be nice if people spent less time trying to trash the thread vs actually responding to the article in question.
XP was the first version of windows I actually thought was half way decent. Vista promises to build on that experience so I'm game. And let's face it, the flashy bells and whistles of the GUI is what impresses people upfront.
I haven't used Vista yet but will be replacing my laptop in the next few months so will probably make the jump. Since I like the aesthetics of the 17" mac, I'll probably get it with Vista pre-installed and use it exclusively. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Early adopters take note: Windows Vista is on its way, fully prepared to mow down every operating system in its path. It's just about time to see what all of the hubbub is about."??
Vista = Coyote w/big ACME Lawn Mower ("Mow down other Operating systems")
Linux = Road Runner standing next to cliff.
... we all know whats next..... LOL -
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