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- The_Pope, on 10/12/2007, -5/+53Was .Mac *ever* worth $99 a year??
- astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41Gmail.
Next question? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32These are not clients, they are services.
- abid786, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yeah that's what I was thinking...Wouldn't clients be actual apps like Outlook or Thunderbird?
- theVariable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11JavaScript != Java
(the writer of the article seems to think it does) - yawnmoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9From their review of Yahoo! Mail:
"However, Yahoo could certainly give Google a lesson in interface design. ... There's a check mail button, which means you don't have to keep refreshing the page to get new mail in your inbox."
Doesn't Google Mail auto-refresh itself? - tpaine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9If only gmail supported IMAP!!!!!!!!!!! As it is I use the gmail & spamcop combo but in reverse. My domain email is all handled by gmail and i have it forwarded to my spamcop which supports IMAP. I have to say that since I switched my domain to google domain services the spam filtering has reached a whole new level of efficiency. I think that it works better because it does a better job at filtering the domain wide spam. It's to the point now where I don't even need spamcop because gmail gets almost all of the spam. Yet I continue to use spamcop because IMAP is far superior to POP.
- deepdish, on 10/12/2007, -12/+20Yes. At least for me it is. .Mac does so much more then people give it credit for. I use two desktops and one laptop daily. All three are registered on my .mac account. All three are synced together. All of my bookmarks, contacts, calendars are sycned. My wife is use my .mac account too. She will set a haircut appt for me and it will show up on my other three computers. She will adjust one of the kids soccer games on her computer and it will show up on my other three computers. I use my .mac for iweb pages. I use my .mac for a shared virtual HD. I can access my synced bookmarks online. I am tired, but there are all kinds of things .mac does besides just e-mail.
Yes, I know you can do all of these things with multiple pieces of shareware, but .mac makes it easy. I pay $99 a year for the ease of use and the other things it does besides just e-mail. - Rice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I just realized today that Yahoo deleted my Yahoo Mail account for being idle for more than 4 months.
I'm pissed off.
Goodbye Yahoo! - uymai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"thin clients" ?
- Protean1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Too bad Mailvault is still stuck at 4MB storage, or I'd be recommending it.
Gmail on the back-end and Thunderbird on the desktop beats everything else right now IMO. - joshua5, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7 I think the big email services have pretty much covered everything. Unless you're a techy digger who cares about what technologies your email service is using, for most people any one service will be more than satisfying. I've had my Yahoo Mail account for 6+ years and theres just no reason for me to switch services, I'm happy where I am because it does what I want. Plus after using any one service for a while like that the competition will have to offer really good alternatives and right now when you get down to it none of them are that much different from each other.
- n3il89, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"There's no IMAP access, so you can't check your mail through an email client and leave it in Gmail too - its webmail or POP, no inbetweens."
Actually with Gmail's POP forwarding you can choose to leave a copy in your Gmail (settings - forwarding and POP - look at the bottom) even if you download it using Outlook or Mail.app. I've been doing it forever. It basically gives you IMAP except using a different protocol. I can view emails in my gmail and my Apple Mail. - GTPilot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6more like webmail service providers.. webmail clients would be software like roundcube or squirrelmail.
- roneewong, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Gmail is just the best.
It's fast, nice to look at, the "conversation" feature is awesome and I can't live without it now.
Spam filter is the best, it never trashed a genuine email, unline Yahoo! or Hotmail - Jennica, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Can't believe people are still using hotmail and yahoo.
- darkspire, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6He also bashes gmail for not supporting "html" email however gmail uses a rich text editor if you chose, or a plain text editor if you choose. Apparently the author of the article didn't bother to explore the interface very fully. There are other instances where the comparisons are faulty due to the author missing a feature as well.
- pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4oops
@gangals & @abid786
you could call them webclients vs clients. - webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It may be he's getting confused with the fact Gmail's POP will only send to the first client to download a particular email. If you use multiple clients it won't be downloaded again.
Just for the information of anyone who doesn't know this yet, logging in with recent:username@gmail.com instead of just username@gmail.com will always get mail from the last 30 days (unless the client already has it). - pixelmixer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yeah, I saw some mistakes in the "review" where he labeled things as disadvantages where he simple didnt know about it due to ignorance.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Whoopdee doo. You were scammed into paying $99 because its Apple.
- Rekutyn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Open Source Roundcube is exceptional.
- astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think Gmail will ever support IMAP; the way they use labels instead of folders just isn't compatible with IMAP.
Prior to Gmail I accessed my school account through IMAP and ran my own IMAP server, and used Netscape/Mozilla/Thunderbird as a client (and briefly Mail.app on OS X, which is a surprisingly good IMAP client). I was never very satisfied with IMAP, however. It was slow, a pretty flaky when working off-line.
I personally think Gmail provides a better user interface than any desktop mail client, so I'm happy to use it as my primary email interface. I use their POP access to keep a local backup of my Gmail account on my laptop, for off-line access, and I use Mail.app's smart folders to keep everything organized, with the added benefit that all of my email is indexed in Spotlight and always available off-line. It's bliss. - drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not @deepdish but @ his comment.
Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Homepage, are my email, calendar, bookmarks, RSS and much more. If I wanted someone to access my calendar like your wife does yours all I have to do is give them my login for Google. I'm pretty sure you can share calendars too though.
You've got my beat on the shared online storage though. If I really wanted a website I would finally put my Blogger account into use though.
As far as I can tell the only thing that $100 gets a person is a spiffy domain and the online storage.
But... I am a poor college student and most of my furniture was either garbage picked or bought from University surplus. So at the moment I don't see much value in stuff I can legally get for free. - dasilva333, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3they forgot to mention mail2web.com one of the best free web clients
- SoxFanNH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3He uses "internets" at the top of the yahoo review, haha.
- bton24, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have personally had better results with Gmail. Yahoo's spam filter couldn't cut it, but their other services are enough to keep a profile...like pipes, myweb, etc. plus you can't beat the price....
- drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's been my experience with Bit-Tech that they simply are not journalists. They are just a bunch of people who write about what interests them. Which means you have non-experts trying to talk about things they really don't understand. There's nothing wrong with that... just irksome when they use very poor grammar and get basic terminology mixed up. ((As someone said before, Java != Javascript) (And now I'm a huge nerd for using != in a real post, along with algebraic like parenthesis))
I once emailed one of the Bit-Tech writers to complain about his lack of understanding towards the English language and he railed on me because he graduated from Oxford or some such place and how he knows a hajillion languages. It was at that point I stopped going to the site regularly and only return when I'm told to, like this waste of an article. - prk60091, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2gmail is tops
not only is it good on the desktop
it rocks on my treo using the mobile google java app
this app alone makes it better than a blackberry - dezmd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@deepdish
You .mac nerds are still stuck thinking everything is Shareware. This is the new world intarnets, welcome to the GPL. - gaervern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gmail and Thunderbird. Together they do all you could ask for. A useful feature is to download mail including attachments on Thunderbird to have everything available offline during flights.
- Sinscriven, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I was offput by the almost snarky handling of the Yahoo! Mail review. Sure it's far from perfect but so is Gmail.
It just didn't seem like objective journalism. - chrisgeleven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There is a refresh link on Gmail (to the right of the More actions... drop down).
- PKO17, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2He forgot to mention that GMail has ads too.
- sfatoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@astrosmash
I don't know about that. Although they don't have a real concept of directories like the other clients, I don't see what's preventing gmail from just inputting all the messages inline and applying filters (either a long tag to represent the full tree or multiple tags to represent each directory in the hierarchy) to all of the messages. I'm assuming the google group in charge of gmail just hasn't felt that IMAP support is a big enough priority for them yet to implement. That may change over time. - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1With Gmail I get zero spam. I have well over 1000 emails in my spam folder at any given time with not one single false positive ever.
That is more important to me that any minor interface differences. Now, every email account I have is routed thru Gmail no matter where I end up reading it, just for the spam filtering.
Gmail is the equivalent of AdBlock for Firefox. People complain about spam and I say, "I haven't seen a spam email in a year." People complain about some annoying ad on a webpage and I say, "I didn't know that page even had an advertisement."
I love it when "free" things blow doors off paid crap. - S2ThaNizzle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@tpaine
I have to agree about Google domain services. Their spam filter is great! Before I had my e-mail address forwarded to my Gmail address and I would get about 100 spam e-mails missing the filter per day. Now that I've switched over to Google domain services, I get none. - Luuvitonen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Indeed. Add Horde/IMP and Ilohamail to the list.
- blueice03, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love GMail, but my biggest complaint about it is the lack of a folder system. Yes, it has tagging and all that along with decent filtering options, but what good does any of that do without a place to file those emails? And yes, the interface could use a bit of a refresh, although I have found that interfaces like Yahoo! Beta can feel a bit clunky and too 'busy'. Folders, Google, I want folders!
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Auto... refresh... ? How in the hell does a webpage refresh /itself/ ? That would mean it was doing things on its own... that's sorcery! Burn it!
Yeah, for mentioning AJAX in the article abstract a comment about the lack of a check mail button is a bit thick. Plus, if you /really/ have to check yourself it can be forced to check again by switching out of the inbox then back in again and not have to resort to a whole-page refresh. - rdoger6424, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@webcrumb
You learn something new every day. you rock. - cowabuse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AIM mail is pretty awesome. They're the only ones with IMAP compared to Hotmail, Yahoo, Google. I didn't see that in the discussion! Oh yeah and it's free 2 GB, before google even allowed users to join Gmail.
- byronm, on 04/28/2009, -0/+1Microsoft Offers live services that do this for free :)
- RobDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The writer was also amazed that in .Mac's flags on messages are available on both the webmail and in the OS X client... but that's just part of IMAP and nothing special about that service.
- chrisgeleven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He was using Safari to view Gmail. HTML buttons do not work in Safari, but work in pretty much every other modern browser.
- Yemerich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well I prefer Y!mail.
It has tabbed browsing built in. Just this feature kills Gmail. You can drag and drop msgs anywhere you want. You can create folder to better organize things...
As said in the first post, Y!mail was sold cheap in this article..
Gmail is terrible for organizing contacts, and the interface isn't so intuitive as Yahoo. I don't know if they're targeting the folks with "blackberries" and such, but in the desktop, Gmail disappear near Yahoo interface.
Neither Gmail or Yahoo spam filters really works. I've got most of them blocked but some still passes.
The only complain that I have is that it takes sometime to load because of "flash ads" - drgruney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1moved.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"roundcube or squirrelmail"
Which blow. - Yemerich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I wouldn't buy an entire MAC for $99,00 for personal use...
Have you ever seen something worst than a "mac mini"? - srotman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I completely agree, Yemerich
I personally have 5 main emails right now, and all of them forward to my paid Yahoo! Mail Plus account. I NEED folders for organization!
I wish Gmail had the ability to toggle between labels and folders. I don't think I could just switch all the sudden to a tagged system.
For now, its Gmail, Google Apps For Your Domain, and my other 2 forwarded to Yahoo!
BUT I will agree with others that Yahoo! needs a little work on their spam filtering. It's good, but not Google good. -
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