What is Digg?Sponsored by Dragon Age: Origins
Join the Dragon Age: Origins development team on Facebook view!
facebook.com/DragonAgeOrigins - EA presents BioWare's new dark fantasy epic Dragon Age: Origins. '9/10' from Game Informer.
36 Comments
- digitalgopher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11 digg just for the first few comment posts. :)
I think they're at least thinking in the right direction - which has so much potential. - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I actually like windows xp, I prefer open source software that works on windows because they are usally more stable and have alot more potential.
Please give me intelligence reasons on why MS is a bad product. Ive actually never heard anythinf smart from a digg user before reguarding the quality of MS products. All people say is that it sucks, they never state why, which makes whateve that person said look very foolish.
Id love to listen to some reason as to why MS make bad products. - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9They lack innovation/growth. Big bureaucratic corporations with big money often have this problem. MS employee blogs have had people show their frustration with the way the company works, and the direction MS is headed.
- artanis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Sorry, I have to bury because you feel the need to spam that link on all your posts.
- jayc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Well it's kind of like how everybody complains about taxes. They don't complain because they think it'll change anything. They complain just to have something to bitch about.
- mephitix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I love linux, but seriously, I'd really like to see you get together a software team and develop an entire operating system that can install and run programs so easily your grandmother could do it. Without compiling from source. You people bash the hell out of windows without realizing that Microsoft is a company that has really developed their "persona" for their products over time, and today they're a company that truly knows their users best. By saying that their marketing is the only thing that contributes to their success really shows how little you know about the software industry. People don't continually use products just because their packaging looks good. Get a clue, dude.
- SwabTheDeck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5While I think turgor definitely has a point about microsoft not having the best software, I think microsoft's biggest problem is not lack of talent, but that they've basically dug themselves into a giant hole by having to support legacy software for an OS architecture that was written over a decade ago (Win95 release in '94 and WinNT released in '96). To be able to innovate while retaining backwards compatibility with all of the legacy software out there (which is the only reason they keep making money) is extremely difficult from a software engineering perspective and it's almost miraculous that windows works as well as it does (which still isn't that great). On the contrary, Mac OS X was released only 5 years ago and Apple intentionally re-wrote many of their core APIs after the initial release, which caused many software vendors to have to rewrite major portions of their software, but ultimately resulted in a cleaner, better-performing OS. Microsoft has such a ridiculously large install base that cannot risk breaking their APIs in order to fix things. Apple has greater agility in this regard, and I think Microsoft's inability to innovate is finally catching up with them. If microsoft is going to fall, I think it'll happen within the next 5 years.
- kazem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think what's really funny is that if you look at how Microsoft develops Windows and Office, it looks just like an open source project. I remember reading an article about Vista and its development process. Windows would be a lot better off if it was an OSS.
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5yes, thats the point. Every project would be better off if if was opensource, it certainly cant hurt the quality of the software. Only problem is that people make the argument that it hurts the bottom line.
- evilgod69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4alot of software can't handle running under a "user" account properly so to avoid this issue alot of people run as "administrator". (could be resolved by not supporting legacy stuff at all, so then those applications would either have to be fixed, or replaced)
the administrator thing above causes alot of other problems. - whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Oh yeah, and the daily reboots from crashing and having to spend 4 hours every month cleaning out spyware and viruses"
This comment cracks me up.
Because it's very obvious this person has:
a) Not used a current version of windows.
b)has no idea how to use windows.
Get a brain moran! - mephitix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Why people still put up with an operating system that you have to completely reinstall every 6 months to maintain decent functionality is beyond my understanding."
Uh huh, have you heard of "recompiling a kernel"? Not to mention that a lot of linux software doesn't come in nice little packages you can just "merge" or "apt-get". Compare that to hitting a button for updates. Also, I don't know wtf kind of programs you got running, but i've never had to completely reinstall windows after 6 months.
"Oh yeah, and the daily reboots from crashing and having to spend 4 hours every month cleaning out spyware and viruses"
Lemme just say, when you've developed something that 90% of people use, doesn't it seem sort of obvious that not everyone who uses it is nice? Show me software that's perfect -- that will be immune from ANY future bugs, viruses, backdoors, spyware, etc., and maybe I'll get your point. You see it anywhere in the industry -- Firefox, which is becoming more and more popular, is quickly becoming the target of all this *****. Popularity brings with it a lot of things.
Why are you bringing Mac OS X into this? I never bashed Mac OS! I think it's a great piece of software. I do, however, acquiesce that it's prone to bugs just like any other system, but good god, at least i'm not some OS cult maniac who obsesses over thinking one operating system is complete ***** and/or one is complete heaven. Each operating system has a different persona, a different audience, and different things it is good for. - pablasso, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"omg look! microsoft does this! microsoft does that!"
fanatical people is boring... - mephitix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2true.. i've never heard of MS working on/using open source software.. but I suppose you can't stay away from it completely, forever.
- SwabTheDeck, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8mephitix:"People don't continually use products just because their packaging looks good. Get a clue, dude."
Maybe you should take a second and look up what the term "de facto" means and try to apply it to the OS world. People continually use Windows because 90% of all production software is written only for it. I use Windows, but I really, REALLY wish I didn't have to. Why people still put up with an operating system that you have to completely reinstall every 6 months to maintain decent functionality is beyond my understanding. Not to mention that my nutsack has a better interface. Oh yeah, and the daily reboots from crashing and having to spend 4 hours every month cleaning out spyware and viruses for my grandma are two of my favorite activities.
mephitix:"I love linux, but seriously, I'd really like to see you get together a software team and develop an entire operating system that can install and run programs so easily your grandmother could do it. Without compiling from source."
You may have heard of this new OS called Mac OS X. This guy named Steve told me all about it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Then I guess I'll never get the jokes.
- nazsco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the sourceforge page has "© 2005 Microsoft Corporation" at the bottom: http://wix.sourceforge.net/
- MrGeneric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page
- v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1open source proprietary technologies, OK!
- dramatools, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4mephitix:
People don't buy Microsoft products because of marketing. People buy Microsoft products because all the other sheep have. My 73 year old mother, who had never touched a computer in her life, got her first experience on a CentOS box running XFCE. There were all of three icons in the dock: A web browser, an e-mail client, and the logout button. That's all she needs. She doesn't need Microsoft Office to e-mail her sister. By providing such a simplified desktop, I don't have to explain ten jillion brain damaged things about Windows to her.
If Microsoft knew their users, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in. You know who knows their users? Apple. Look at the simple elegance of the iPod. The reason why the iPod remains the market leading music player despite its price premium is because it's easy to use and the iTunes music store has end-user friendly DRM. Mac OS X has features now that were cut from Windows Vista long ago.
Don't get me wrong-- I've built more Windows networks than many diggers have changes of underwear, and there are a a number of things I like about Windows Server (Active Directory, SQL Server, NTFS access control lists, etc), but Windows XP and Server 2003 are the crest of Windows' usability and functionality. Vista is rapidly degenerating into XP Service Pack 3 with some Mac-like eye candy grafted on. Internet Explorer 7 is sluggish and bloated. Most PC's won't be able to take advantage of what little Vista has to offer because Microsoft still hasn't learned how to optimize their code and you'll need an Intel Core Octal processor to run it. Compare that to Mac OS X Tiger which still runs reasonably well on my creaky old G4 Mac. - goffy59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree with you drizek. But what about any good things about microsoft? Im sure if the main key players wernt to greedy, MS would release alot better software. Their programmers seem very kool like open souce programmers, they just have to follow a lot more rules.
I have experienced Open source. I absolutely love open source. I go on sites like soruce forge and try to find programs to replace my current ones. My favorite software i found on source forge was gaim, and some others etc etc.
It does degrade (Windows ME,98 are perfect examples) But i think windows xp was good come back. Its missing some things but they will work it out.
Windows defender is the best/free anti spyware software on the web. Ive tested so many different programs but windows defender works the best.
I use a combination of Spyware blaster and windows defender(ms antispyware).
They do suffer alot of problems in security, but lately they have done a hella good job stepping it up, even if they buy out a company, at least the people who made the orginal product were hired at MS. I dont know if they always do this, but lets hope. heh Its a shame when people lose rights to their own proberty, even if the company legaly owns it. - dWhisper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Plus, it isn't very well known how to fix it."
Sounds like a lot of Open Source software I've used then.
Microsoft has done limited code release before, but it's nice to see some actual Open Source trickling out there. Of course, I didn't check the EULA for it, but I'm willing to bet it's just a touch (read, mile) more restrictive than the GPL. - JoeWall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"...People buy Microsoft products because all the other sheep have.."
at the price they pay it, most people want a computer that will let them whatever they want to do in the future.
it is like buying a car. how would you feel if the salesman says that you can t go to some freeways or some states with it, without installing everytime an extra-feature or fiddling with the engine? you would rather buy a standard car, who migh have some quirks, but who will let you go everywhere. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is it just me, or do those guys laugh way to much at stuff that is not even remotely funny?
- SwabTheDeck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No, you just need to code more MS products to get the jokes.
- YellowBook, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Who cares what the most used software is at Microsoft (or anywhere else)?
The lame argument on the C9 forum "To use Windows you have to install it. So WiX is used more. :-) " is just plain inaccurate. You just use an installer *once* to install the Operating System and then once the OS is installed, you use it every day until you either upgrade or replace.
No digg. - EmileVictor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I hate Microsoft's XML engine. If it screws up a whole lot of products stop working. Adobe, most graphical manipulation programs, and every version of MSN. Plus, it isn't very well known how to fix it.
------------------
http://www.mediahug.com/ - Zephiron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PT/BR: http://www.htk.com.br/noticia.php?noticia=607
- pablasso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"WiX is an open source project, originally developed by Microsoft and maintained by Rob Mensching"
source: http://www.tramontana.co.hu/wix/
oh no! Microsoft is using an opensource tool! and one which actually they developed... isnt it ugly?
doh - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Opaque binary file formats are used all over the place.
Rather than fix security holes that have plagued Windows OSs for years, they give you spyware detectors, bug you to purchase a virus scanner, and things like that. Gee, thanks a lot Microsoft. Why can't you fix the holes? (This goes w/ administrator comment above)
Lots of MS software (esp. Windows) makes you feel like an idiot. I'm not grandma. I don't want confirmation dialogues all over the place. I know what I'm doing with my computer and I want to use software that helps me get work done, not software that makes sure I really do want to do what I say every damn time.
There are a ton of other very geeky reasons to use something open source (you can compile your own kernel, 'nuff said) but I won't get into any. There are others, but if everyone lists a few I bet we could have a decent list of problems.
And the final one that trumps them all: Microsoft and only Microsoft has the power to fix/change anything in their software. We are left powerless. Open source software gives the user the power to do everything they will ever want or need. Don't bring me that "but who actually looks at the source?" argument. I do look at the source. I know lots of others do as well. Sometimes to change things, sometimes to see how it's done. Either way we have no chance to shape MS software to our liking, and that makes it inferior in many cases, to me. - skago, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't understand the 'The Most Used Piece of Software' claim. They spend months and years developing applications and then spend a little bit of time packaging all that work into an installer. So months/years versuses maybe a day or two of package time.
And to the others about opensource, these guys can develop their opensource WiX because they have day jobs at a very successful closed source company, Microsoft. Very few opensource programs make money to pay the developers. Software companies like Microsoft, Apple, Autodesk, Borland, Sun, etc. are what built the PC era over the last 25 years. If all software was opensource from the beginning of the PC era, there would be no PC era. - kalphegor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Microsoft, I guess is your state of mind, is not yours to design, all you need is time to find yours space in front the falling sky (Open Source).
(adapted from Marco V - False Light) - pablasso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0simple, if you dont like it dont buy it and stop suffering and complaining
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2its a lot easier to say "MS sucks" than to list every single one of their faults.
just a couple off the top of my head though,
They care too much about money, which means they are willing to put out a bad product if it means better profits.
They care more about making windows SEEM secure than they do about actually securing it.
They make closed source software. This isnt something that you will understand unless youve experienced opensource. Their products just feel restrictive and cold.
They make software to sell to the general population, not geeks like us
Windows tends to degrade over time, which means constant reformats. - Darrelc, on 10/12/2007, -20/+5Like windows? The OS which has 90% market share?
Or the people from WiX, which I quote
"What piece of software is used in Windows, Office, MySQL, and many other places? The Windows Installer XML (WiX) toolset."
The thing that is used in the post popular office suite, OS and Database system?
God damn turgor, your witty comment is so true. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -22/+5Microsoft has really developed the wrong reputation for themselves... everybody uses them cause they have to but at the same time everyone always has something bad to say about their os and software. Cant wait until people, by the masses, start doing something about this.
Jeff - http://jeffeh.com
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is