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- Eddible, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Are you completely ignorant? This is the beauty of open source, not the problem.
- ttkgeek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23You guys pay no attention, Flock is based on top of Firefox, it's not "ripped". Get over it.
- WillPate, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Actually, we're not asking for donations at all.
- FrozenOrb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Sounds like a lot of Digg members really need to read up on what open source is all about.
- jsparks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Hah... ahem...
From the article,
"The Firefox-based Flock aims to be your browser of choice with several key features aimed at the new generation of social web users." - warofwrath, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Dude, it's a browser. They are both based off of the same Mozilla codebase. Firefox functions as a fully extensible solution while Flock is caters to a specific niche.
- jesusfranco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12http://www.answers.com/rip-off&r=67
According to the definition of rip-off Flock is not a rip.
The Flock devs clearly give the developers of firefox/mozilla proper credit and don't deny the fact that its based off of it. And they would add the code back into firefox but that would just change everything firefox stands for now wouldn't it? Firefox is lean,fast and minimal, if you want a feature that isn't included install a extension.
I'm sure the Flock devs just wanted to make a browser with a more cooler interface (in their opinion) and with features that are very well integrated into a already well known program, they like firefox, but like everything else, it isn't perfect. To them flock is. - salazr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9this is a lengthy review covering every feature in flock and it includes a few videos of it in action, probably the best flock review on the interwebs.
it was on their official blog btw: http://www.flock.com/node/4639 - Hidekatsu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9 Saying Flock is a rip off of Firefox is like saying Google is a rip off of Altavista (or Yahoo!, Lycos, etc.). What the developers at Flock have done is take the Firefox code and "innovate" it. Google may not have been the first search engine, but Google did it better; and Flock isn't the first Gecko based Open-source web browser, but they are "innovating" it to make it better. I still remain an avid Firefox user, but you have to admit this is pretty cool.
- Estazor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't understand why all the firefox users, well not all but seems like a lot, are so against Flock. I mean you'd think they were defending their first born or something. They talk about how Flock is ripping off of Firefox's code but for one..it's open source. Second, Firefox did pretty much the same stuff when it started. It's all how open source continues to evolve.
- jsparks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@dancrew32
Consider Flock MTV2 or... even better... Consider Firefox HBO and Flock HBO Comedy.
HBO Comedy is there for people who want more comedic content... or a channel geared towards comedic content. (In Flock's case, social networking sites, i.e. Flickr, your personal blog, etc)
HBO is still there for the people who don't care to have those features/watch Are We There Yet? three times a day.
Is HBO Comedy a ripoff of the original HBO? Of course not. Is it a ripoff of the old RKO Radio Pictures? No, the answer's still no. They're similar, sure... they do similar things. Deliver pre-existing content to someone on their request, either by loading a site or turning on your television.
"ahem.. why not just continue supporting firefox by adding features??? oh.. because that guy wants donations for someone elses work."
Now, your "ahem" is close to a ripoff of my smug comment. Watch it. They did add features to Firefox. In fact, they added enough features to Firefox to warrant it's own release, it's not really the same thing anymore. Did you scoff at Firefox (Firebird) calling it a Mozilla ripoff when it first showed up? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You know, I never heard you guys complain about when Ubuntu came out and was based off of debian. I don't really rememeber any of you guys going "ooh the ubuntoo guys just took their code and is now takin da donations! homgz!"
Um, come on. We're smarter than that. Open source encourages this kind of development and firefox was released open source for a reason.
Ladies and gentlemen, the reason is this. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Oh, I really dig Flock on my Mac. It feels more responsive than either Firefox or Camino, has most of its goodies and has some great interoperability with Flickr and my blog. Thumbs up so far.
- awilke, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8150mb of Ram, yikes
- redhatcat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Seems like a browser for those who live through attention.
Not an insult, just an observation. - Celeron, on 10/12/2007, -8/+12for god's sake, they're practically the same thing
- WillPate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Surprised no one has said "Web 2.0 Kool-Aid" yet. Oh well, the haters missed their chance.
- blobzorz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://paulstamatiou.com/2006/06/15/the-definitive-flock-beta-1-review/
Redirect through Alexa... i wouldnt have it - SamKellett, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@Hidekatsu: No it's not because Google isn't powered by AltaVista.
@dancrew32: Flock uses the _open-source_ Mozilla engine. There's nothing wrong with that. Also, as Paul mentions in the article:
"The number one question Flock has received is why can't Flock just roll everything into an extension rather than a browser. The answer is simple. It is not possible to accomplish all that Flock does with a mere extension." - BillyEveryteen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm actually liking it, even though I don't have any need for most of the Flickr, etc. features. It looks good, has a nice RSS viewer, and it feels a fair bit faster than a freshly intalled Firefox (no extensions) on the same machine.
- afeitarse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, flock is firefox with other integrated features that help you out if you're working on a blog or with flickr and stuff like that. I don't personally need these features, but it looks good for for doing that sort of thing. And dude, you can't steal open source!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's pretty inexplicable. Nice discussion of the topic by the Flock founder: http://www.decrem.com/bart/2005/10/flock-firefox-and-open-source/
- angelp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7This is an excellent review...not to mention a great site.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Flock Rocks.
- cwdaniels, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6this is an amazing review.
- Everen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Looks useful if you regularly use Flickr/Photobucket and the other social networking features.
I don't know if I'm just too busy to use the social networking goodies, sans Digg, or if I'm just too square for it all.
Man, if I'm this 'old' at 23, I'm screwed when I hit 40.
Anywho, it looks like a good app-- stable, rather quick. - noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4A screencast is a video of a software being used. Screenshots are still motion images. He has both in his review.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4*sigh*
I am in Firefox :P Anyhow.. the link is http://redirect.alexa.com/redirect?paulstamatiou.com/2006/06/15/the-definitive-flock-beta-1-review/ --- look for yourself. It's going through Alexa. IE, Firefox, Opera.. it doesn't matter. - oohrightthere, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, at the bottom of the flyout you can change your prefs. It's pretty customizable.
- SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I guess if you did a lot of blogs or photo uploading or strange unnecessary bookmark sharing this could be good for you, but for standard web browsing, I don't see the point. I like the idea of people basing new products off the firefox code and I think it should continue. I am using songbird right now to listen to my music. This flock thing has a lot of cool features, and it would be great if some of these were released as firefox extensions (especially the drag and drop photo uploading), but most of the other features do not apply to me. I do not share my bookmarks on any sites. I do not write the boring details of my life in a blog or livejournal. I occasionally upload pictures to show people online, but until now I have been using facebook or googlepages for that. I would probably use a photo uploading firefox extension, but I do not need most of the flock features. If you do a lot of blogging and things like that then this is probably great for you though, and it is good to see that it is becoming more stable.
- noneloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I agree. What kind of speedy juice did they put in this thing?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Oh, by the way, I'm comparing a fresh, plain install of Flock with a fresh, plain install of Firefox and Camino - no extensions or other added material. I usually use Safari.
- nonokiaboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Since when is it "Screencasts" instead of screenshots? I mean seriously, I want to know!
- imjustabill, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The only thing that bugs me is the favorite system. You can't have nested folders. I could live with this, but it means that you can't have folders in your bookmark toolbar, which I use all the time
- MarcoRaaphorst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like it very much but one thing I don't like: the RSS reader. I was not able to disable it and keep using my Google Reader which is better in my opinion. Mainly because Google Reader embeds a Flash plugin for quickly listening to audio which I need for my work. I work as a composer and sound designer. Flock seems to be 80% right, not bad at all, but I just need 100%.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"What kind of speedy juice did they put in this thing?"
Babies, probably. - Donerkebab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Had it installed for about five minutes. Can do all I want with little link buttons in Opera. I see no real advantage here, and their favorites system is actually much worse than the extremely usable mydelicious page.
- flyingbuddha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use Flock on a daily basis, and one thing I miss is the ability to create folders in the Bookmarks Toolbar folder as well as the ability to have "live bookmarks" on the toolbar. I have a set of favorites tagged "daily" in delicious and a live bookmark on my toolbar fed via RSS. I miss the ability to "open in tabs" and add items to that list on the fly.
- akim, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I just don't get how this startup's going to earn a living. Advertising a la Opera?
- anotherjesse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only reason I could guess for why flock would be faster is that since we build/test with lucene search/blogging/favorites/... built in, we can optimize it. Whereas a bunch of random extensions might slow things down.
That being said, we have focused mostly on features, as we still have a lot of ideas we want to impliment before we release our 1.0 --- so I am suprised when people tell me it is faster than firefox.
If there is something in our build configuration that would make firefox faster, we would gladly share it with mozilla. - sarcoma, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Flock is awesome, try it simple as that... I hope Flock can keep going and if this sucker is a beta then the full release is gonna rock the casbah
- Estazor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The only thing that bugs me is the favorite system. You can't have nested folders. I could live with this, but it means that you can't have folders in your bookmark toolbar, which I use all the time"
I used to be bother by that but once I got used to making my own toolbars full of favorites I didn't see the need for folders. - 10scott10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use flock as my second browser. whenever firefox is acting up I use an old beta of flock that I have which is extremely stable. i am using version 0.5pre of flock.
- ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The one thing I'm not too keen about with Flock right now is their built in blog posting tool. It's not very robust for text editing IMO, and has made the recent post on my blog look out of wack with all the others. Other than that, it's pretty damn good so far. I guess next time I'll try using the Websnipets tool to add text to a post in the actual Blogger site GUI. The RSS viewer is top notch tough, and I've even found myself rather liking the GUI.
- raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2dancrew and TheNik, SHUT THE ***** UP.
- CursedMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I used Flock for a week and even with all the additional features it didn't seem any better than firefox, plus it did run slower and use more ram so I'm sticking with firefox.
- Kelmon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Agreed. I have been using this browser for months now and have to confess being highly impressed with both its goals, ideals and implementation. I'm very much in favor of a 2-Way Web and believe that Flock will help make this much more normal and accessible to the masses. However, I do also accept that Flock is overkill for someone who simply wishes to consume information and has no interest in publishing - in this case "plain" Firefox is quite suitable.
The only thing that bugs me at the moment with Flock is that it isn't as well integrated with OS X as Camino. I love the features of Flock but I miss the system wide features like KeyChain, Network Preferences and Dictionary of Camino and Safari. I've raised these issues in the past and been told that they are Mozilla issues but Camino doesn't have a problem here so I wonder why Flock/Firefox does.
Anyway, I'm very impressed. - Mousefinger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2>>Seems like a browser for those who live through attention.
Ha-ha! No doubt. Still, it's a great browser. I love it. Nice work Flock crew. - latour, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2sombody needs to make a myspace extension so you can post comments on people's profiles right from flock!!!
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