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- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"What is this, is it amateur hour in here?"
Are you kidding? Welcome to digg. It's 24/7. - xciton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5> WHAA, who needs a software firewall anyways.
> Hardware firewall + SP2 FW = INVINCBLE (well not quite...)
> Software firewalls are uncessary if you have a hardware firewall and decent Anti-Virus/Spyware.
Totally unbelievable. Those comments are way out of line in today's world.
You need to control BOTH your incoming (hardware firewall) and outgoing data (software firewall).
What is this, is it amateur hour in here? - NeuroMan42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I knew this was gonna happen. Symantec products are the BANE of my existance. Almost 40% of the machines that come into the shop are crashing due to Norton stuff, then AOL, McAfee are the othe large percentage of problems. We don't even sell OR endorse Symantec at work due to the problems.
After the horrible time I had getting Norton off my system, I will never buy or support them again. - randin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sygate and Zone Alarm are ok, but Kerio personal firewall is by far the best. You get more control, a better interface, and more features.
http://www.kerio.com/kpf_home.html
it's not 100% free, after 30 days the useless web features expire, but the rest of the software works forever. - jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you can't beat em, buy em.
- tarun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2radin, read TFW:
Kerio is discontinuing its firewall:
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/cheerio_kerio.html - Scourge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Gah someone burn Symantec to the ground
- ursabear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Buy, pillage assets, shut down rest of purchased acquisitions, write off "losses", repeat...
- Jaohnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've used sygate free software for years. I set up my first network using there software to control my dial up modem. I'm sorry to see this happen
- brink668, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1also if ya want give feedback here!
http://www.symantec.com/feedback/ - haker0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"PG2 is the worst Piece of Sheet software I have ever seen. It pretends like it's the only software on my system. Plus, can u really trust a company called Meth Labs?"
get strait it WAS called Methlabs because the person that started it goes under the nick "method" and if you upgrade PG2 to the latest version then you would know it does not have that problem anymore. Also yea its not a proper firewall and that is not its purpose.
new site -> http://phoenixlabs.org
Anyway yea Sygate is the best and I'm sad to see it go. - 4answer2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1From the sygate website,
"The future looks very bright indeed for the customers and partners of Sygate and Symantec.
Onward and upward!
John De Santis
President & CEO
Sygate Technologies, Inc." - tarun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just looking at http://www.zonealarm.com/ website makes me cringe. See if they released SPF as open source, we could get it back to the people and develop it further.
- elfguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1btw software firewalls are needed and should be run by everyone. It's the only way to know which program connects to the Internet, and seeing how stuff like Word, Real Player, WMP etc all try to connect I'm glad I've always been running a software firewall. Sure a router will protect you from the Internet but the point of a software firewall is to control outgoing access.
- Kirschey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No Way!!!! Other than Zone Alarm is there another good software firewall for windows? Any open source?
- kungfustickman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is indeed a sad day for Internet Security. We will remember Sygate for it's lightweight installation and extremely powerful yet non invasive feature.
There's just too much good stuff to write about Sygate to put in this comment. We will miss you. - kungfustickman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"better interface, and more features"
While I am a fan of a good UI too often to I see security tools (Symantec... ahem) where all they have to brag about is their overly intrisive (but pretty) UI.
What sort of features does Kerio have that Sygate doesn't? Please post them! I personally like how sygate breaks down each application for analysis. It's great! - ejeckert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My Company has tested just about ever Personal software firewall on the Market, from Free to Pay version. OF the Free ones, Sygate was definately the best performance wise and protections, Kerio offered great protection but at the cost of Bandwidth, while on it eats up 50% of your bandwidth...this is a consistent problem with all kerio products. Zone Alarm, is like a block of over hyped swiss cheese...it is great on performance but fails so many outbound leak test it is funny!!! So what do we recommend to our clients...these are usually the roadwarrior laptop jockeys who use public Wi-Fi...a Personal Software firewall is a MUST if you are a similar user. So we are currently recommending OutPost Pro...simply put the best firewall for the Money...it passed all of our test every outbound leak test and all inbound attacks...it is excellent...the best performance and the best protection to date!! Since Sygate is going bye bye and Zone Alarm sucks...kerio is a bandwidth eater, Tny might be pretty good...the Outpost free one isnt that great just some FYI, and the Windows Firewall is garbage. Good Luck
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Zone Alarm Security Suite with 3 layers of firewall protection = the best firewall with ease of use!
- shallowbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was a long time user of SPF until recently when i realized that they just weren't releasing any updates. While I think that usually indicates some stability, i opted to start trying some other firewalls and came across tiny personal firewall. I've been using it for over a month now and via modules, its got everything i need. Fine grain control over just about everything. The only downside is that it has a little larger learning curve when it comes to being non obtrusive. Although after about 2 weeks, I have managed to add all my apps to appropriate groups and don't get pop-ups very often now.
You have to look at learning a program as an investment. In my case, my investment has paid off.
I guess its just time to Move on. - tomciob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh this is terrible news, i'm in ct but am willing to travel to burn symantec down.
zone alarm is up there with symantec, crap bloated software.
if you have a NVIDIA NFORCE 4 based motherboard try using their hardware/software firewall. (chipset has onboard firewall).
i only played around with it lightly but there was a ton of options, no bloat, functional interface.
it'll prolly become my full time firewall at next system reinstall.
plus all the people who think they are protected by xp's integrated FW are kidding themselves, that is the first to be broken if any sort of attack is coming, think about it, it's as widespread as IE so defeating it is pretty beneficial. - arcman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"You need to control BOTH your incoming (hardware firewall) and outgoing data (software firewall)."
Uhh, maybe if you're a noob and you're running IE, Kazaa, and whatever other sketchy programs on your box. I can't stand most software firewalls: "*POPUP* Something is trying to access the internet!" "*POPUP* Something is trying to access the Internet!"
Yes, I know something is, that's ME YOU PIECE OF *****
Give me a plain hardware SPI firewall anyday.
And say what you want about the Windows firewall, it passes most every portscan I've thrown at it, and it actually does a very nice job of staying the hell out of your way. - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I loved the sygate personal firewall. If you don't have it already you can find it at http://www.filehippo.com
- Pyrolistical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, congrats Symantec! You have been finally added to my "I'll never buy anything from you" list
- NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"so they could force there gay firewall apon everyone"
Erm .. just dont install it if you dont like it. Easy as that
@arcman: If you know what your doing(Which you apparently dont) then securing your computer is a piece of cake and IE is a decent browser. But again - if you dont know what your doing, its a hard task to accomplish. - dimplemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can still download Sygate Personal Firewall for free!
Google rocks!
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:st5SBkOywjIJ:soho.sygate.com/products/spf_standard.htm+firewall+free&hl=en&client=firefox - skinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hmmm, who to boycot next?? i pick symantec, whos with me? lol
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm still happily using Sygate personal firewall, and will continue to use it until my OS of choice no longer supports it. In the mean time, I'm happy to say I have never bought a Symantec product, and never will ^.^
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sygate is the best firewall i've ever used, and i've used all the software firewalls on planet earth.
I will hack/crack the alternative, whatever we will be forced to use in this country we call A$e$i$a. (Zone alarm is worthless, and it's too bad).
I hope this country fails due to piracy. That's what they'll deserve for for being so greedy. - ptknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use Outpost 3.0. Money well spent.
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Awww... But meh, I'll continue using Sygate Personal Firewall, it works now, so why should it stop working when they discontinue it?
- Ben - .Steven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I stil have a copy of Sygate burn't to a DVD.
- jool, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Kerio version 2 was the best one out there until they stopped updating it and now it really doesn't play nice with windows any longer. The bloatware mess that they have now is just rubbish. After that it was Sygate which worked but it just tries to be too friendly, not mind numbing like Zonealarm but still bad. Now I just stick with the SP2 firewall and since I actually know what I'm doing I can live with it not controlling the outgoing traffic.
- halfhun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Since switching to Mac OSX, I am not affected by this, but I find it rather strange that Symantec buys them and kills the product.
In my windows days I used Sygate and was very happy with it.
If you can afford to switch to Mac OSX, do so! I use little snitch (http://www.obdev.at/products/littlesnitch/download.html) which intercepts outgoing traffic. The rock-solid ipfw part of Darwin handles incoming connection filtering and little snitch handles the outgoing :-) - stormlrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"btw software firewalls are needed and should be run by everyone. It's the only way to know which program connects to the Internet, and seeing how stuff like Word, Real Player, WMP etc all try to connect I'm glad I've always been running a software firewall. Sure a router will protect you from the Internet but the point of a software firewall is to control outgoing access."
while I kind of agree with your sentiment, and I to some degree I think perhaps your right, I still have an issue with your comment.
1: Home users (no offence folks if you aint of the geekie persuasion) are not always computer savey folk. Sometimes its plausible to say some might even have a hard time to stop and read a message before clicking ok. So thats actually a con to your pro. Viably so in my experience also. Sadly in others.
2: Having THE dedicated firewall on the machine you have your sensitive data is not nessecarily the wisest of decisions. Having multiple intrusion points hinders but will never stop the completely determined mind.
3: Whose firewall do you trust? And heres where symantic come in. I personally have never liked any single one of their product line. I found in my desktop support days that the products caused more problems and didn't really help at all when it came to problem solving. Nevermind the later crap they came out with. Some reported goodness in their anti virus but I have never been that game. So fook em for taking away a good one.
4: Firewalls can only do so much. A faulty browser can be a source of infection these days and subsequently, they circument "safe" rules determined by either firewall type. Patch Patch Patch (note this does not mean the normal MS service packs which add a tonne of new stuff along with new holes (hotfixes fine, service pack's ug!)).
Another issue to consider is the future of the firewall market. It will be gone soon. Only open source and windows ones will be available. (Please let open source ones not be ported to m$ blows in the long run :P it only serves the corruption imho (ok sure good for persuasion but there are some lazy people around)).
The antivirus market will suffer the same fate if the monopoly has it's way. It may be quick or it may be fairly quick but it will be insidious and binding.
At any rate, I for one stand by having a dedicated smoothwall firewall that I ensure I maintain regularly. Make it a windows box with zone alarm for all I care but at least have each device with something and keep it up to date. IPv6 helps too! :)
Perhaps you can add yourself to some of the security mailing lists for the products you do have in service as well and keep an eye on any publically listed vulns. Then you can know when to update or not.
Hard road to computer security education.. Lets hope the horse 'can' drink. - TrueSatan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 I really can't recommend the horribly bloated and system hog Zone Alarm these days but thankfully both Jetico (http://www.jetico.com/) and Net Veda (
http://www.netveda.com/consumer/safetynet.htm ) offer excellent free products. These may become shareware with time as the products progress and improve but for now at least they are free. BTW they pass all the usual tests available on the web so they should be safe. - clevershark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It seems that today's business methods involve buying competitors' free technologies with the intent of scuttling them and thus getting rid of the competitor. That seems terribly underhanded and reminescent of the takeover tactics from the 1980s.
Symantec won't be seeing a red cent from me, that's for damn sure. - Psykus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And, software firewalls are needed for the huge amount of people still on dial-up, and unable to get cable or DSL. I really don't think there's a way to use a hardware firewall with a dial-up connection.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn! What the hell do I do now?
- Zliko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0;-(
those *****...i really can't stand watchin' big companies that doesn't have proper software eating smaller ones that know how to do software properly...
Sony ----> Sonic Foundry
Apple ---> Emagic
Pinnacle-> Steinberg (now Yamaha bought it, rite? well in that case i vote for Yamaha)
Symantec-> Sygate
Adobe ---> Macromedia (wtf? u think thats good?) - peerk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Very sad indeed.
Back when I used windows SPF was my choice of software firewall. For some reason I never liked zone alarm. - brink668, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i agree goodbye norton! - Wish i had money to buy them lol i would make it free again..
Anyone wanna setup a donate link to buy norton and make them free it! - skinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i smell a boycot comming... lol. i hate symantec, norton almost killed my computer, i dont know how or why tho.
- elfguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This sucks indeed. Altho a firewall isn't like an anti virus, you really don't need to update it unless there's a security hole found. Another good free firewall is "kerio"
- Psykus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There should be some sort of law against this. Buying out a company only to run it into the ground... *cough*G4*cough*
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0PeerGuardian 2 - People
- _Caboose_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"PeerGuardian 2 - People"
PeerGuardian isn't a firewall, it only blocks certain IP's from connecting to you. You still need a proper firewall. - stimpack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Uhh, maybe if you're a noob and you're running IE, Kazaa, and whatever other sketchy programs on your box."
There are other reasons why you might was to stop legitimate programs from 'phoning home' - ericpp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DUMB... What was the point of buying the company then?
- Schrade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Well, currently the latest version of the SyGate Personal Firewall is just fine. I guess you could just keep using it. It's sad that it won't ever get updated anymore. I liked it.
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