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- meshman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16It's concepts like this that define "the next version of the web", not some money grabbing asswipe that decides everyone should call content rating "Web 2.0" (or is it glassy buttons or certain colors or...). Web 2.0 is O'Reilly's financial future. Ideas like this one are the future of the web.
- kjwa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Before you get too excited about thinking the semantic web is useless, take some time to understand what it actually is and read the FAQ. Shirky's argument is based on a misunderstanding of the core concepts.
Also, see: http://www.getsemantic.com/wiki/Arguments_against_the_Semantic_Web - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13^ Did you not read the post you're responding to?
"Web 3.0" is just as ***** as "Web 2.0". DON'T PROPAGATE THIS *****. - kevincannon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Tell that to blind users who directly benefit from correctly marked up content.
That guy is really missing the point. - kidehen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Very nice coverage of the many faces of the Semantic Web realm. This is one of many outputs from the W3C's Semantic Web Education & Outreach Interest Group aimed at bringing broader clarity to Semantic Web vision understanding.
- insomn3ak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I don't get you people. There's NOTHING WRONG with marketing! Who cares is somethings called "web 2.0" or "web 3.0" or "The New Improved, Fantabulicious Internet...Now with Bigger Bubbles!". It serves non-geeks by giving them a perspective on how something is different. Is it totally accurate? No. It sure creates more interest though than say..."the semantic web". That term won't mean a damn thing to non-technical types, and will create 0% curiosity to find out. Money isn't evil either btw.
IT snobbery is dead.
Welcome to IT 2.0 (now with more snacks!). - 22pages, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Welcome to Tin-Foil Hat 2.0
(ps - drinking less coffee may help you ante) - tommorris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@zzbottom: that's what both the microformats community (microformats.org) and the GetSemantic (disclosure: I founded it) site (getsemantic.com) are for, as well as SWEO, the Semantic Web Education and Outreach project are for. I'm hoping that we may be able to put together a Semantic Web for Webmasters page on GetSemantic soon.
You don't *need* to understand the Semantic Web to 'just' build a webpage. But with very minimal work - by adding microformats, eRDF and GRDDL, you can make the data on the page readable by data agents which can then 'do things' with the data on it. - Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Additionally I was recently at seminar that had speakers talking about the values of properly, semantically marked up data in biology databases and the kinds of information you can extract are simply amazing. And this isn't 'pipe-dream semantic web' this is 'add some markup to your commerical database can get new/more higher paying customers'. I used to think semantic web was something ridiculously unrealistic, but now I've completely changed my tune. Semantic markup is going to start making more and more economic sense in any field that deals with vast amounts of information. Since bio-tech/healthcare industries are both the largest growing and the ones that both very clearly benefit from good semantic data, we'll start seeing semantic data becoming more and more profitable and important.
For my money the semantic web will emerge in a very different way from Web 2.0, which was more homegrown and then bought out. You're going to start seeing more companies cashing in right away by selling nicely marked-up data to researchers. - CaptSolo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Practical, community-driven Semantic Web projects may be interesting to look at - e.g., SIOC ( http://sioc-project.org ), DOAP ( http://doapstore.org/ ) and FOAF ( http://www.foaf-project.org/ )
- dude199, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2can someone please explain if this will affect porn on the web?
- schmeeky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From the FAQ:
How does the Semantic Web relate to… Web 2.0?
One aspect of Web 2.0, beyond the exciting new interfaces, is that it pushes intelligence and active agents from the server to the client, more specifically the browser. Development of active client-side application also means that these applications use all kinds of data; data that are on the Web somewhere, or data that is embedded in the page though not necessarily visible on the screen. Examples are microformats type annotation of the page, calendar data on the Web, tagged images or links stored on a web site, etc. This aspect of Web 2.0, ie, that applications are based on combining various types of data (“mashing up” the data) that are spread all around on the Web coincides with the very essence of the Semantic Web. What the Semantic Web provides is a more consistent model and tools for the definition and the usage of qualified relationships among data on the Web. I.e., both technologies focus on intelligent data sharing. A number of typical Web 2.0 demonstrations and applications emerge that, in the background, use Semantic Web tools combined with AJAX and other, exciting user interface approaches.
In many cases, using RDF-based techniques makes the mashing up process easier, mainly when data collected by one application is reused by another one somewhere down the line. The general nature of RDF makes this “mashup chaining” straightforward, which is not always the case for simpler Web 2.0 applications. - king52, on 03/23/2008, -0/+2Article very good but there is core concepts in semantic web to really understand read the faq and then you will see interesting http://www.ebooknetworking.com
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Holy spam, batman.
- ColonelJessup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't be such an anti-semite!
Oh wait................... - kjwa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@zzbottom, re:building your run-of-the-mill web page, what HTML is to the "web of documents", RDF (the core language of the Semantic Web) is to the "web of data".
RDF is a flexible data model that you can use internally in your application, like you can use the relational model in your application. You can also publish your data as RDF; this makes it more interoperable so that it can be shared between applications.
HTH somewhat - feelmydisease, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wait til the anti-semantites find out...
- razicop, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1I think semantic web session will be end very soon because its not working on demand.
http://www.joinarcade.com/disney-channel-games/ - iamdexter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1semantic web is useless. Yes
http://www.hoopearings.us - tommorris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Semantic Web can only use what you put up on it. I have no intention of putting my phone records up on my site - in RDF or otherwise. If it's not up on the Web, it's not on the Semantic Web. And I'm not sure that Closed World Machine or Jena or any of the other semantic web tools are being used by Bush and friends. I certainly haven't seen many CIA agents hanging out on #swig
- jacks0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You do realize that O'Reilly holds conferences to collaborate Web 2.0 standards, don't you? No money's been made on the trademark. (web2summit.com)
- esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@kevincannon: you're talking about "semantic" HTML, not the Semantic Web. At least read the FAQ in TFA before commenting, you might know what you're talking about first...
- dmazzoni, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Before you get too excited, check out this article on why the Semantic Web is useless: http://www.shirky.com/writings/semantic_syllogism.html
- webmissile, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Happily using the SIOC import plugin for WP
Dave
http://www.relaxseo.com - zzbottom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I've read the article twice and I still don't understand how it applies to building your run-of-the-mill web page. :(
- gmillerd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Yet there is a solid differentiation between what people would call 1.0 and 2.0 websites.
- CaptSolo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Wikipedia article on "Web 3.0" describes a Web of Data and more. Including, and not limited to, SemWeb. That could be a hint of what's coming next.
- antechinus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1***** the semantic web. It will bring loss of personal freedom and privacy on a scale you can't imagine. What technology do you think your precious Bush government is using to explore your phone record information?
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