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- oOLiquidNightOo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49dude, their name is secureix .. what more are you looking for?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+50SecureIX is copyright RIAA(tm)
- DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43Eh, I'm not going for it. When it asks you to sign up, the password box isn't encrypted, and Firefox pops up warnings that it might be an imitation site. After that, FF says that someone might be trying to intecept the data. F This noise.
- M2Ys4U, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38And we can trust them....why?
- DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36I dunno, I get all kinds of warnings about signing up for this. Sketchy.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22what if THEY get caught/audited? then they have all on you?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21http://itsatrap.ytmnd.com/
- prototypeangel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18That's cause I'm in a residential university and torrents are blocked.
- fishbert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17tor citizens will slap you for bogging down their network with massive bittorrent traffic.
- nnonix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"A passage on the site talks about how SecureIX provides added piracy:"
At least he said was he was really thinking. - Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Oh yeah, whois information can't be faked. That's rock solid evidence right there.
- paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Not YOU again! I thought you'd stopped promoting that searchjerk *****..
Looks like I'll have to dust off my script that sends you useless traffic.
http://digg.com/programming/Sick_of_SearchJerk_com_spam_Why_not_send_him_some_traffic - NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12What the hell. Are you trying to torrent while at work?
- whiledo, on 03/25/2009, -3/+14@aguilera
Assumedly, they don't keep logs of traffic. Otherwise, the whole exercise would be pointless. I guess it's possible that our twisted justice system could take them over and keep running their site for a while to catch piraters. But what would be the point of that? It's already pretty easy to just jump on the existing open networks and catch as many people as you want. Folks get MPAA warnings all the time. The biggest thing stopping the MPAA is that they have yet to really start suing ISPs to get the customer info that goes with an IP address. SecureIX offers this service for free, so they would not have your personal/billing information.
Why would SecureIX do this? Well, before this story, did you even know who SecureIX was? Their FAQ in their forum says:
"Subject: Why do you do this / How do you make money?
Making enough money to pay the bills is a fact of life (or death). For the time being we are just gathering information. We need to know things such as how much bandwidith is needed per user on average? How many users can a single server support? How many abuse related problems willl we face? How much interest is there in such a service?" - http://www.secureix.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2
So it looks like they plan on doing a pay service. Nothing on any of the pages says this will always be free. They also have a plan aimed at letting people VPN and avoid their employers net filtering. So I think it's believable that they are trying to figure out if they can make money doing this. Can you imagine how many college students would be interested in this, given how much they are cracking down on torrenting there? Of course, the problem will be when the college bans the VPN ip... So I don't know if this is a viable long term business. Maybe they're just looking to score a lot of venture capital.
And no, I don't work for them. - DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@oOLiquid: Well, what happened to secure I through VIII? Why is THIS the one that works?
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10No password boxes are "encrypted" (Atleast not HTML ones), most have the type set to "password", which replaces the letter with an asterix - But the text is still readable to something like Wireshark (It's sent in plaintext)
It seems to be sent via SSL, which will encrypt it. Unless your on a work computer where they view your screen via VNC or something, seeing the password on screen shouldn't be an issue - If you have a trojan or similar on your computer that'll see it, you have a bigger problem anyway (Seeing as how they could log keystrokes, or grab web-traffic anyway)
- Ben - metafore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8actually, i take that back. anyone care to offer an assessment of "who the ***** is secureIX?"
let's say i'm an entrepreneur (i'm not), and wanted to startup a company (i can't), the main focus of my startup is to find investment capital [so i can spend their money and not mine (and lose their money, not mine)] . it's hard to lure in VC's or other funding without offering insight into your company. we've come to know this as the "about us" section of any business website. - _Caboose_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually, Rogers here in Canada has recently started throttling BitTorrent, even with encryption on. When I use SecureIX, my speeds are much faster. I can only download as fast as I upload though, which is a limitation of the VPN I believe. Still, 40 kB/s (or 100 kB/s if I want to use all my upload bandwidth, normally 700 kB/s unthrottled) is better than 0 - 3 kB/s.
- imabot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Should I be worried that my firefox2 isnt giving me those warnings? o_O
- cgoff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Direct link: http://www.secureix.com/
- metafore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5anyone care to offer a technical assessment of this?
- SurlyDuff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I actually started using this program over the summer when my brother's ISP was being throttled in Hamilton, ON (Cogeco). It worked perfectly to increase uploads from 3KB/s to 60-70KB/s. I highly recommend it for anybody with an ISP in which even the highest protocol encryption setting does not work. Worked fine for me and my brother informs me that it still works for him. It may be free for a limited time, but as long as it is, why not use it?
- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i guess you dont understand vpn
the only thing that could happen is they keep logs - growler1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Please don't use Tor for bittorrent. It would be a different story if there were enough servers running now to support the traffic, but I think it's still too boggy.
- prototypeangel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4can this help me tunnel out of my firewall/proxy
- HiFiGuy36, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5True, don't know what I was thinking. I wouldn't want TOR slowed down from bit-torrent traffic myself.
Brain fart. - DJCult, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4There were questions about their validity as far back as 2004 with no solid answer.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=95224 - Retsudo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm no expert but AFAIK it really depends on how hardcore the firewall settings are at your uni's end. If they've blocked all ports except HTTP and HTTPS you're SOL.
- opieum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Whois lookup reveals the following:
Using 0 day old cached answer (or, you can get fresh results).
Hiding E-mail address (you can get results with the E-mail address).
Registration and WHOIS Service provided by directNIC.com
Intercosmos Media Group, Inc. provides the data in the directNIC.com
Registrar WHOIS database for informational purposes only. The information
may only be used to assist in obtaining information about a domain name's
registration record.
directNIC makes this information available "as is", and does not guarantee
its accuracy.
Registrant:
SecureIX.com
P.O. Box 444
Osceola, IN 46561
US
5746742700
Domain Name: SECUREIX.COM
Administrative Contact:
Department, Abuse *****@secureix.com
P.O. Box 444
Osceola, IN 46561
US
5746742700
Technical Contact:
Department, Abuse *****@secureix.com
P.O. Box 444
Osceola, IN 46561
US
5746742700
Record last updated 02-09-2006 09:26:52 AM
Record expires on 05-27-2007
Record created on 05-27-2002
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.NIBBLE.NET 64.74.111.242
NS2.NIBBLE.NET 64.74.111.230
I will take my chances with the open anonymous systems rather than a closed proprietary system and company I know nothing about.
And the fact that since 2003 there has been debate over whether they are legit or not with no kind of effort on their part to change that image speaks volumes to me personally. VPN would be a good way to trap people easily. It is alot harder to wiggle out of a lawsuit if the sharing was done on a private network controlled by the RIAA/MPAA/BSA. They have a watertight case and VPN being what it is it is makes for a much better case in court and better chances of winning a case via settling or a ruling.
Comment from their site admin on their forum "Making enough money to pay the bills is a fact of life (or death). For the time being we are just gathering information. We need to know things such as how much bandwidth is needed per user on average? How many users can a single server support? How many abuse related problems Will we face? How much interest is there in such a service?"
Oh and the DMCA@secureIX.com contact email also indicates to me that they DO not respect the users. It is likely they will just give up the info. This is no more secure than kazaa or bitorrent. It is just a p2p over a VPN. Oh and what information are they gathering? That alone is a huge flag. Anyways this is the info I have on the company here. - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If they're blocking torrents chances are they are auditing bandwidth too so I dunno how useful this is really going to be for you.
- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3there is no problem tunneling out port 80 or 443
- Chompy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Who the hell would invest in a company like this? Even if they're above board and not some RIAA honeypot, you gotta know they'll be sued into the ground within a year or two.
- SillyDigger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Any person who still believes that peerguardian offers protection is an idiot. I hate to break it to them but companies like the MPAA/RIAA uses different firms to track you down, the likelihood these firms use known IP addresses is very slim.
Some might say "its better than nothing" but in reality it really does nothing, you're much safer downloading music and movies from *ahem*...senet. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3besides, encrypting your transfers isn't really going to do much for your tranfer rates.
- gloc9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The founder of the site or the admin is chatting it up with peeps over at broadband help. I didn't see any questions regarding security so dunno if it'll help.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17574973~days=9999~start=20 - alchemista, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1SecureIX, brought to you by the RIAA and FBI
Now we can be absolutely certain that it is you who are pirating those files since we now have a trusted connection with you that you signed up for! - joeanon, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1VPN will cut through most throttling but it won't help you overcome a max bandwidth usage policy.
They could limit traffic to the site, since it blatantly gives away VPN for the purpose of getting P2P through traffic shaping.
However, you could use a less obvious site or rent and setup your own legit VPN using a simple VPS hosting service. Then you openVPN to it and poof. I think you'd be safe from most any throttling beside max bandwidth like that.
But, VPN isn't the most convenient thing to use, SSL works also. Hopefully the clients will just incorporate these features and we will all be VPN/SSL/whatever encryption tunnels.
VPS is likely more expensive and the hosting company will surely keep logs. They could even report you themselves.
So, the case for cheap overseas VPN makes sense, but who can you trust ? - tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2paulmdx: No matter how much you hate spamming (trust me, I do too), a DOS attack isn't the answer IMO.
Why isn't digg doing anything about it though? - drunkmuppet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"As soon as you connect to our VPN server your computer is assigned a new IP address, an IP address that is owned by us, not your ISP. Then all of your Internet traffic is encrypted and is tunneled to our VPN server. Once there, it is decrypted and allowed to travel to its intended destination. Your local ISP will only see a single encrypted data stream between you and our VPN server. Your ISP can no longer monitor, log or control your Internet usage."
So basically you are putting all your trust in a company that promises no guarentee of securing your information. They say your data is encrypted, then sent to THEIR servers where it's decrypted and sent to it's destination. The first questions you should be asking is....
who is secureix? whats their motivation? Who's really pulling the strings...?
The internet has little to no regulation...who's to say it's not the FBI funding this.... Theirs no entrapment here, you are signing up under your own free will and willingly sending your DATA to their servers.
My suggestions... don't download torrents, and don't access your bank records/financials.....
SKETCHY.... - beastlrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Funny thing is that if you actually read the EULA ( i think that is what its called, lol), it states that if someone sues them, you have to pay for the damages, and also that they do not guarantee your privacy. Because of this they obviously keep a log, and therfore if some company sues them, they contact the isp because they probably have the log which translates the ip to the user. So it is basically the same thing and solely relies on the fact of weather your ISP releases your information
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A public vpn that has enough capacity to support p2p.
That's cool. If your on a network that has proxy blocking, packet shaping or firewall blocking of ports.
This is a great way to get out and get down what you want to download without being blocked.
I say win, win. - joeanon, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1Well if I was running a service like that I would make my TOS look legit also, but that doesn't mean it would be my actual policy.
Honestly, why would you dare guarantee anything ? And you probably don't want to mention you support p2p. Just let the users find out.
Running your own person VPS sounds safer to me. Get one from some asian nation that doesn't give a ***** about copyrights and then use openVPN to tunnel to it.
But, VPS's are more expensive and you can bet those hosts keep all their logs along with potentially looking down on torrenting. - joeanon, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1Is it super slow like all the other services that tried this ?
- addicted68098, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Its seems like their is a demand for the service, but it does seem suspicious, especially when you click to see the business page.
I hope they don't go after a light user with a total of 5 bittorent downloads in the past year. - Vision77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://iphantom.com/faq.html
- format, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is something similar - https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb apparantly run by the Swedish Pirate party....
- sirloin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Intresting they speak of protecting you from potensial lawsuits, but if you look at the terms it says you cant use for illegal activity and this isnt protection from the law.
Nah i get it.. but they probably shouldnt advertise that way.. they arent the only ones that do this either. but most advert anonymity and not what you could use that for. And purpose is actually important when it comes to the law. It is hard to argue legal uses when you advert it for the not so legal uses. - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I dunno, I get all kinds of warnings about signing up for this. Sketchy."
The certificate stuff? If so, it's because they use a self-signed certificate, which admittedly is slightly odd for a company prizing themself on good security and such..
But, still, free Usenet, VPN and webmail - and the sign up is "enter your username, and pick a password? Even if I don't particularly trust them, who cares! Just don't do anything overly-sensitive, and why should it matter?
- Ben - maxmccabe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i created an account and have tries to use the connection... (only to test it of course)
but i keep being disconnected (error 619 in xp), any one else had this problem or know of any way to fix it? - joeanon, on 01/07/2009, -0/+1I would guess the free ones should not be trusted, but pay VPN's might be ok.
public anon networks are nice, when they are fast enough. I haven't tried in awhile, but last I did they sucked entirely. Tor will ban you if you torrent much over it for instance. -
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