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- inactive, on 10/24/2007, -16/+45Not really awed. It is worth a torrent download though. The latest iWork is quite awesome.
- saralk, on 10/22/2007, -2/+25OpenOffice is awful, it has a lot of features, and it is technically a very good product. However, it is just badly designed. You'll never make your open source application good by trying to emulate a closed source peice of software, they actually need to innovate.
- timmydub, on 10/22/2007, -6/+24ya, i prefer iwork '08 over office anyways.
- kindwarrior, on 10/21/2007, -3/+20Yeah, I don't know; I'm pretty sure I saw these screen shots before. My favorite feature of Word is the notebook view (I was shocked that it didn't exist in the Windows version of the product -- is this still true?) -- it's amazingly useful when working on a large project; but at least in the current version of Word they crippled all the formating features while in notebook so you have to switch back to normal view to do your paragraph formats then back to Notebook which is a real, needless pain. If they've fixed that I'll be interested in Word.
I'm already a lot more productive in Numbers than I am in Excel (which I've been using extensively for almost 20 years now) and I'd ditch it but I've already found functions missing in Numbers that I sometimes need.
Here's a thing I don't understand: Powerpoint for the Mac is already way superior to Powerpoint for Windows (except it's missing Timeline and spline animations -- It's kind of a well kept secret that Office for the Mac is way better than Office for Windows; I think things like removing timeline animations was a way of "crippling" the mac version lest MS create it's own incentive for switching). Part of what makes PP so cool on the Mac is all the Quartz accelerated Quicktime transitions (like the cubic rotation or squishy text). So I've got Keynote and it is overall a way better presentation package (and yes it does spline animations -- although there is no time line view) but it has access to a very limited set of the above Quartz Quicktime transitions which are built into the OS (WTF?). As with the missing functions in Numbers I almost feel like Apple and MS are playing Footsie. Apple has tools that *could* easily replace their MS counterparts but mysteriously don't quite. So if PP adds spline animation, starts natively supporting the Apple remote (I should not need 3rd party software to control a slideshow with the remote that came with my computer) and polishes up some of it's drawing routines it could win me back (although working with master slides is way less confusing in Keynote).
Overall, I don't know what's up with MS: Why do the interfaces for their applications need to suck up so much screen real estate while still burying so many features behind a half dozen actions?
TO sum: I wish iWork was not missing features I need; it is a much better suite of applications and the omissions almost seem conscious; Office looks like the same old bloat-ware but there are improvements. I'll probably end up getting it but not gleefully. - cmer, on 10/20/2007, -4/+19You also get the bugs, uglyness and sluggishness for free!
- indiepenguins, on 10/20/2007, -1/+13iWork is ace.
- tehpwnrate, on 10/21/2007, -1/+12Office is great software. Say what you will about Windows, but you have to admit that Office is a very intuitive and powerful set of programs.
- tsupersonic, on 10/20/2007, -2/+13It doesn't look good as it does on a Windows machine... the bulky buttons above the ribbon are bad...
- dellis, on 10/20/2007, -0/+10Dear UI developers (all of you),
Does the world have lots of widescreen monitors or lots of tall monitors? Yeah, widescreen. Like all of those 1280X800 Macbooks...
Stop making the menus fit best on the top/bottom. I have all this frickin' space on the left and right. It gets unused because I have big ass menus on the top and bottom.
OS X Dock on the bottom FTL. (changeable)
Office Ribbon on the top FTL. (No idea if changeable) - Roads01, on 10/22/2007, -0/+10STOP USING THE WORD "JUMP"
- NeoRicen, on 10/20/2007, -2/+11Entourage Looks Ok, the regular apps UIs are far too bloated. I think I'll stick with iWork unless I run up against a wall and desperately need a word feature.
- Trixrox, on 10/22/2007, -1/+10Microsoft does some of their best work for Mac...I think they did a good job integrating it into the Mac interface.
- dragon76, on 10/20/2007, -1/+9Office 2008 looks like what Microsoft thinks the Mac OS should be and because of that it looks woefully out of place in both a Windows or a Mac environment. They've not updated anything substantial since Office v.X.
- decker12, on 10/20/2007, -1/+9But.. Does.. It.. Have.. FULL.. EXCHANGE.. SUPPORT!!!!!????!!!!!! THAT is the million dollar question my friends. Entourage is *****.
- Firehed, on 10/20/2007, -1/+9So do I, but sometimes you get some funky exports when you need the MSOffice compatibility
[rant on open standards goes here] - CMiYC, on 10/20/2007, -1/+8Am I missing something or is this screen shot tour only one screen shot deep?
- yoyobean, on 10/20/2007, -1/+8I gotta do another me-too for iWork. It's just so slick and classy.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/19/2007, -0/+7I would rather fix it if it's broke. Now if it's NOT broke, don't fix.
Seriously though, Office 2007 is nice for newer users, but a complete switch for power users or for those who know where every obscure menu command is. Do I like the ribbon? Yes. Do I wish I had the menus sometimes? Of course. But it will just take time to adjust to the new Office 2007 look. My college is slowly transitioning it in the building I work in, and so far we have had no complaints about it yet. - bwanac, on 10/20/2007, -0/+6are links called jumps now?
- aaronm67, on 10/20/2007, -0/+5...even if MSOffice is bloated, it still runs 10x faster then OpenOffice.
- Trixrox, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5I think entourage looks awesome, Microsoft did a good job fitting Office into the Mac style!
More screenies here http://blogs.msdn.com/macmojo/ - xtremesniper, on 10/20/2007, -0/+5Sooo judging by the screenshot of Microsoft Messenger... Does this mean that we still aren't getting a significant upgrade? No webcam?
God I hope at LEAST real support for offline messaging comes around... at least. - smek2, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5Hit the jump? No thanks, really. I'm outta here.
- FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 10/22/2007, -1/+6it is faster. but mac fanboys will continue to say iWork '08 is better because they're (we're) right. with a couple of not-very-important exceptions, it does all of the same things without being bloated and confusing. iWork is faster, friendlier, cheaper, lighter, and all-around a better set of applications.
you wonder why office is so slow? rpobably because they've just been stacking functionality on top of functionality for years without any regard to optimization or user workflow.
office '08 is just too much bloat, far too late. - Ramble, on 10/22/2007, -0/+5I'm looking at it but it simply seems far more complex than the proper ribbon in 07.
- agent888, on 10/20/2007, -0/+4I do heavy number crunching in a quality control department of a hospital. We use a lot of graph combinations that I wish iWork would cover. If it could do bubble graphs and combine graph types, I would be doing everything in iWork.
- mlostracco, on 10/20/2007, -0/+4At least it seems they've dropped that annoying MS practice of making some buttons have both the icon and name, while others IN THE SAME TOOLBAR just have the icon. I hate that. One or the other, please!
- antitab, on 10/22/2007, -1/+5Looks like the iWork team is going to have some real competition with this release.
- chad78, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3Seriously!
WTF is "Hit the Jump"? Why the hell can't people just say "Click Here"? it's just as pointless and much more clear than "Hit the Jump". God - this is digg. If *WE* don't know you're supposed to click something to make something else happen, who the hell on the Interwebs does? - JoshChan, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3MSN messenger for mac has always been a major pain in the ass. No offline msg. no text box to see the personal msg of other ppl online unless you rescale the messenger itself. Hope it will get a major overhaul in the 08 release
- Goobernutz, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3Soon they'll be called mouse/browser crossover hacks that the government doesn't want you to know about.
- chad78, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3Sure it will... Just like it was "coming soon" for the last 5 years. I worked on developing OpenOffice.org - the fact that the Mac port meant jack ***** to them is one of the biggest ones I quit.
If you really want to be a rebel without a clue and rage against the "M$" (sic) machine - use NeoOffice, or better yet, iWork with Bean and TextEdit. Or, hell, Google Documents. - chad78, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3WHY DOES YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY GET STUCK? IT ACTUALLY MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID!
- Swift2, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3Look at those new layouts. Endless buttons with cryptic icons that don't explain themselves. Endless complexity, and for how much of the market? If I'm writing a novel, go with Word. Ditto with a Master's Thesis. Screenplay? Not word, despite all the macros out there. Otherwise, go with Pages for almost every down home need. Simple, intuitive and it works without referring to Microsoft Help. Is Clippy still around, or has somebody shot him in the head yet?
- chrup, on 10/20/2007, -0/+3With 4 rows of menu lines + the rulers, we'll have 1/2 inch to see part of the document. Swell.
- Koyder, on 10/22/2007, -1/+4Even though I prefer iWork, I think the competition between iWork and Office for Mac is good for everyone. Too bad Office gets updated much less frequently than iWork.
- MacParrot, on 10/19/2007, -0/+3I've bought nearly every version of MS Office (or its individual apps) for almost 20 years. After the original iWork came out, I almost didn't get MS Office 2004, but decided its file transfer and compatibility with its Windows counterpart made it still worth the buy. Now iWork 08 is out. I'm not yet decided if I'll buy the new version of MS Office for the Mac or not. Keynote blows away PowerPoint IMO, and the new version of Pages is much better than the previous version (how could it NOT be?). I'm underwhelmed by Numbers, however it is the first version of it.
What will probably be the decider for me is how well MS Office works with Intel Macs. Office 2004 is dirt slow (especially compared to iWork 08) and I don't like waiting for just basic functionality of an app. Also another point will be its interoperability with Office 2007 on the Windows side. To have to do file conversions for every single document created in iWork before sending it on is a PITA.
Even as a Mac user, I have to admit that MS Office for the Mac is the standard that other office suites have to live up to and talk to. iWork does OK, but not well enough to stop using MS Office. I most likely will be buying it for as long as I need to exchange documents with Windows users. - PamalaLauren, on 10/20/2007, -0/+2It would be nice if we didn't have to convert files everytime, perhaps Apple will do something about that soon but I think I'll take that over Office.
- CraigJ, on 10/22/2007, -2/+4Ribbon = no Office 2008 for me. I've been using Office 2007 for 6 months and I still hate it.
- chad78, on 10/20/2007, -0/+2you win the internet for today. I hope someone is taking notes that can change things!
- mrdeathgod, on 10/22/2007, -9/+11Awesome, it's hideous!
- inactive, on 10/20/2007, -0/+2Same company. Notice the similarities in their sidebars. Kotaku and The Consumerist are also some of Gawker Media's blogs.
- potterboy, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2I love it, wouldn't use an Office product without it.
- SuitCase874, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2You don't have to worry too much, the ribbon is basically useless. It hogs up space in shrinked form as an extra toolbar, but there's no need to expand it as all it provides access to is templates and wordart and stuff.
- betobeto, on 10/20/2007, -0/+2Adium FTW
- Kelmon, on 10/20/2007, -0/+2I really wish that I could find back the link again but someone at Microsoft kindly wrote an article on the subject of Exchange support for Entourage. The basic upshot of it was that the Mac Business Unit inherited the Outlook code when the Outlook team decided they didn't want to write Outlook for the Mac any more. In the years since they've been trying to incorporate the important features of Outlook into an application that originally wasn't intended for the job and so they've been targeting the most important bits of Exchange in each release. The good news is that apparently Entourage 2008's Exchange support will be much better although it's not clear whether it will be 100% compatible on this release. This goes a long way beyond the only additional feature so far shown, Out Of Office messages.
- xtremesniper, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1When is it expected to be released?
- inactive, on 10/19/2007, -0/+1it actually has the resume' templates built in for a change, nice. Not sure why office 2004 didnt have them, i think even word 97 had them for windows.
- Kelmon, on 10/20/2007, -0/+1Apparently their user experience people reported that the interface from Office 2007 wouldn't be accepted well on the Mac so they decided to borrow what was liked and maintain the rest as people expected. Whether this was a good decision will remain to be seen. I use Office 2007 under Parallels and while I do like the Ribbon interface I do sometimes struggle to find an option that I used to know exactly where it was under Office 2003. While it has no impact on this discussion I would also like to say that I really don't like the new interface in Access 2007 - give me back the old database window rather than this odd sidebar thing.
- stalefries, on 10/20/2007, -0/+1The upcoming version of Adium (1.2) is gonna have increased MSN support.
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