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- ElBeh, on 03/25/2008, -76/+410I tried it out yesterday and hated it. It looks like it's designed for a Mac, and looks completely alien on a Windows.
FireFox FTW - theaceoffire, on 03/25/2008, -32/+211O.o Firefox 3 is smaller, faster, and with a garbage collecting system.
Safari needs to compete with that (When it gets released).
On the other hand, yeah, IE sucks. - RadiantBeing, on 03/25/2008, -22/+170Firefox 3 beta 4 is the best browser I've ever used. I'm a Mac user and a former Windows user (3.1-XP.)
- abshack, on 03/25/2008, -39/+150Good to see some competition in the browser market. I just hope Safari is able to generate enough of a buzz to allow people to migrate from IE to the other browsers. I'd like to see browser shares along the lines of 35% FF, 20% Opera, 15% Safari, 20% IE, 10% Other. Now that would be a good market. It'd force standards on them, and make life much easier for developers (knowing everything renders the same.. :) )
- mattgoody, on 03/25/2008, -12/+94If its a program on windows, it should close when you press the X....
- Radan, on 03/25/2008, -5/+86Actually, I agree with you. I prefer the Mac interface alot more than the one used in Windows, however, I still think that when you design an application for a platform, no matter how ugly it is you should always try to match the overall style of the UI.
- fiorenza, on 03/25/2008, -9/+85I'm happy Safari is getting better on Windows because I have to test for Safari/WebKit now (dev on Windows). Selfish maybe, but the world's big enough for 4-5 good browsers.
If Safari can push the others to develop even better standards compliance, then everyone wins. - Sarki, on 03/25/2008, -8/+83I have a mouse gestures extension and that's it. You're telling me that even when I start with that disabled, and I have major memory problems, that my extensions are still causing it? That's *****.
- akuzemchak, on 03/25/2008, -13/+80ironically, you could say pretty much the same thing about firefox 2 on os x... it looks "alien."
- PeanutCheeseBar, on 03/25/2008, -22/+84I thought about downloading it while waiting for FF3... That is, until Apple decided to try and push it on me in a software update.
- dreicher, on 03/25/2008, -9/+66...and I'd like a new pony, too, while you're at it.
- lostarchitect, on 03/25/2008, -4/+57Sorry man, I have memory issues with firefox 2 with no extensions installed. You're just not correct.
- sholt, on 03/25/2008, -4/+56To be fair, an application should look like the rest of the applications on the host it's sitting on.
There is no reason for Safari to be using OS X widgets and anti-aliasing on Windows. None. - inactive, on 03/25/2008, -30/+81Following the precedence that Quick Time has set, I would never install safari on my machine. Apple software has historically sucked on PCs to the point that I am not willing to experiment at all.
- alliekins619, on 03/25/2008, -4/+50I don't use add-ons. If I leave a Firefox 2 window open overnight I can come back in the morning to find it using up to 1.5 GB of memory. If only .01% of Firefox memory issues are browser-related, I shudder to think what the experience is like for people actually using add-ons.
- etx313, on 03/25/2008, -14/+59Ugh, No. I Don't use it on my Mac, and I'm sure as hell not using it on my windows box. Itunes and Quicktime on windows is bad enough. I'm convinced Apple gimped them on purpose. They are the most poorly performing applications I can think of on windows, but work fine under OSX on the same hardware.
- cave, on 03/25/2008, -6/+48Safari has had an adblock plugin for some time. Even safari for iPhone has adblock now.
- rgersmrk, on 03/25/2008, -21/+62If it's anything like ITunes it will be nice and speedy for this update and then turn to a slow piece of ***** as Apple updates it for windows.
- inactive, on 03/25/2008, -7/+46Apple forces hundreds of thousands of Windows users to download new browser as part of an 'iTunes update,' claims their market share has risen by hundreds of thousands of downloads.
Industry is retarded, more at 11! - macplenty, on 03/25/2008, -2/+40The Mac interface is more document-centric. It is centered around the idea that you may be done with a document for now, but not the app itself.
I am not saying which way is better, just explaining why there is a difference. - spyrochaete, on 03/25/2008, -10/+47I tried 2 previous versions of Safari for Windows just for laughs. Does 3.1 still apply very heavy bold to all the text? And arbitrarily discard Windows design principles to force Windows users to navigate the Mac style GUI? And does it still try to bundle a bunch of ***** like every other Mac app for Windows?
I use Safari just to check compatibility of my web design. I really see no compelling reason to take it seriously as a Windows web browser. - inactive, on 03/25/2008, -3/+37I clicked on this thinking it read Safari on windows 3.1.....
- AirRaven, on 03/25/2008, -8/+39*middle-clicks, expecting the autoscroll icon to appear like every other windows application under the sun*
*nothing happens*
...Nope. Still too obsessively mac-ish for its own good. Act like a real Windows program and I'll consider using it. - skyshock1, on 03/25/2008, -6/+34It uses it's own window-decoration theme. Me no like. Programs on windows should look like Windows, programs on Mac OSX should look like OSX, programs written for Gnome should look like Gnome, etc...
- suprxtragrav, on 12/09/2008, -3/+31also it'll have a bunch of processes running in the background in case i ever plug in my ipod or iphone, neither of which i own.
- toekneebullard, on 03/25/2008, -5/+32and will need to update once a week, with a 100MB update files, that includes iTunes, Quicktime, Apple Software Update.
- UKsHaDoW, on 03/25/2008, -1/+27No its not a programming language feature, you can have garbage collection in any language. There are few methods, one of which is to keep track of all the pointers and all the dynamic memory assignments, and when no pointers point to the memory, delete it.
Its just that most languages have it built in.
Heres a popular c garbage collection implementation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boehm_garbage_collect ... - sholt, on 03/25/2008, -1/+27FF's own dev team admits that FF2 has severe memory leakage issues.
- adamal, on 03/25/2008, -3/+28If you use your browser a lot, it makes a big difference on how it looks. If you have multiple browsers to choose from and they all basically do the same thing you are going to choose the one that looks the best.
- mindspaceindia, on 03/25/2008, -3/+28"On the other hand, yeah, IE sucks."
I think it's safe to say that that's at least one thing both Firefox and Safari can agree on. - sholt, on 03/25/2008, -6/+30Windows already has an anti-aliasing layer in their text display engine. Why re-invent the wheel?
- jaxcs, on 03/25/2008, -9/+32I think the guy was pretty fair in his review. I don't think the problem is that he is a fan boy, it's that you're an Apple hater. I've been testing the browser for my own use and I think it's a good product. Like the reviewer, I don't think I will be making this my default browser because I'm more familiar with firefox and safari doesn't support extensions I find useful but that could change. BTW, I've also tried Opera, and I ultimately passed for the same reasons.
- runner108, on 03/25/2008, -21/+43Kind of liked it.. couldn't stand the blurry fonts.
- burnstyle, on 03/25/2008, -3/+25"Who are you going to trust?"
arstechnica.com > Traps - Prodigyman, on 03/25/2008, -1/+23Media Access Control, it's a Layer 2 Communication protocol used on LANs
- chedabob, on 03/25/2008, -4/+25Almost all do, so his point still stands.
- skidooer, on 03/25/2008, -1/+22As the author of Firefox's autoscrolling feature, I'm here to tell you that the code should be able to run largely unmodified under Safari. Why not use that?
- cave, on 03/25/2008, -5/+26I stopped reading at "Not free".
- rgersmrk, on 03/25/2008, -0/+20When you have to go into Windows and turn off services because someone wrote a big piece of bloatware it isn't the users fault. It's the programmers or rather the company who won't acknowledge their product sucks and rewrite it from the ground up.
- charlesray, on 03/25/2008, -6/+25I'm not using a brower that looks like that. The same for iTunes. The software Apple ports to Windows is notoriously half-assed. You'd think for a company that is supposedly so concerned with the UI they would make an effort to fit in Windows.
- Duositex, on 03/25/2008, -8/+27a couple hundred MB?? For a music player and library manager? That's just obnoxious..
- Biznarie, on 03/25/2008, -1/+20I dont think he was referring to the way it looks, he was talking about the interface.
- UKsHaDoW, on 03/25/2008, -4/+22its probblaly because they are native cocoa applications, and need to be translated into win32.
- ethamajin, on 03/25/2008, -1/+19Also Quicktime is impossible to remove from startup. As soon as you open it again it invites itself into your startup list again. No one, NO ONE should make software that underminds a user's choice to remove it from startup.
- whiskeymb, on 03/25/2008, -1/+19Only the bad ones don't, or ones that think it knows what you want to do when you hit X better than you do.
- SPThom, on 03/25/2008, -0/+18When your browser is taking up 500+ MB of RAM, I think it's beyond the point of arguing semantics. It's using WAY more memory than any end user would want or expect it to, so why ISN'T that a leak?
Don't get me wrong, though... I love my Firefox. Especially the 3 Beta. - xtremesniper, on 03/25/2008, -27/+44"it stays open in the background when you close it and you can't even shut dowt he process in task manager...( I suppose that is very Mac like).."
Umm, no. If you want to quit a program in OS X you quit it. Only if you press the red X thinking it works like Windows does it stay open. - chuzwuzza, on 03/25/2008, -3/+20Agreed. I've been on a mac for the past few years, and firefox 3 is the first thing to shift me away from safari.
- thesledman, on 03/25/2008, -0/+17I don't think people are unwilling to admit IE sucks and FF is great. I think most Internet users are non techie types who fear change. They have used IE since the beginning, and are afraid to change browsers unless there is major influence and support from family or friends. They don't realize it sucks because they feel that is the way browsers work. Constant crashes and lockups. Having to clear cache and cookies daily. Pop-ups, spy-ware and ads are the norm. Security is not an issue for Joe Public until he gets hacked, robbed or assaulted. Then FF comes into the equation as more "Secure". IE is a comfortable old friend to most, well a mooching, sneaky and mildly retarded friend with a kick me sign taped to his back.
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