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- joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3with the .net compact framework this would take about 10-15 minutes to develop a web server that would run on a mobile phone (using, of course, readily available libraries) ... assuming nobody has done this already... the question here, really, is why???
why would you ever want a server to be your phone. if you can connect to a network, you can use the network to connect to the actual server giving you optimal uptime and availability... not to mention the fact that you can just as easily update content on the server from your phone as easily as if the content were on the phone yourself.
this would be cool for about 5 minutes, and only as a gimmick.
+pointless - cosmotic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"This could change the way we think about the web."
Or it, as most people im sure would agree, totall suck and is completely pointless. Go isntall linux on your game cube you tool. - dhoefler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Everyone saying, "why would you do that?" are truly not geeks.
- Elxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://elxx.net/?act=psp-httpd
Obligatory plug ;) - InvisionUK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't quite understand this one myself. Why would you want to? I... I'm speechless really.
No digg, at least until someone can actually suggest a use. - nacho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some interesting comments. I say it could change the way we think about the web because it has the opportunity to change the way web authoring and delivery methodologies are accomplished. Sure, it may be a little corny or have serious implications for abuse at the moment, but it opens up the possibilities for new markets and entrepreneurial pursuits.
That statement was meant to stir the pot. It stimulates thoughts of new opportunities. If you think it's stupid, fine. Don't digg. - handle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The rumours of Slashdot's demise to Digg are patently over exagerated. I see no comments dealing with bitrate, python, and only one mention of Apache. This and the "what's the point" posts imply the real geeks are still in their mother's basements over at /.
- carguy84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"This is worse than having a camera on your phone... most pointless crud that you could do."
You think having a camera on your phone is pointless??
k, thanks, you win the "I'm going to just bitch about something mainstream so I can bitch about something" award. Camera phones combine two great technologies into on compact device. A++ - dgath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> I'm sure the creative minds here on Digg.com can come up with some interesting ideas...
Sadly that isn't the case.
"What, I can't play 64 player Half-Life 2 on my cell-phone? No digg." - breakneckridge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No reason to waste your battery, just upload from your mobile to a standard web server.
- dgath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This thread is the reason why Diggers are all Junior College dropouts, there is NO imagination in here. I would have thought people in the know with technology would understand never to understimate a specific peice of technology, and never to say "Why would anyone need this?" 2 years ago you could buy cellphones with .5 megapixel cameras, 2 years from now you'll probably be able to get 8 megapixel cameras in your cellphone, throw in a 1 gig mini/micro-SD, and why the hell would you not want your personal flickr server on your phone? As it stands right now, the only non-voice interaction between two cell-phones is pretty much SMS, doesn't that suck.
C'mon people... Eeeeemagiiiine. Try it sometime. - daemonx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There is already a working version of a web server for symbian UIQ phones. Its called Prosit,and i've been using it for quite some time now...Of course,the performance level isnt that high,but hey..its on a phone.
No diggs.. - cbdgr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1he should have a test running from his phone and we can digg effect his phone hahah
- sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cellphones have non routeable addresses. It would be pretty useless having a webserver that no one on the internet could see.
They would have to come up with some NAT traversal type system. - GhostFreeman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"This could change the way we think about the web." Oh no, no it won't.
- jafojsharp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So I could be a web phone spammer host, Awesome, me thinks not!!
- birdadderley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0DDoS the phone so they can't make calls. I think what needs to come before that is storing contacts on a server.. and not on the damn phone... they can be mirrored on the phone... but if your phone gets hosed... at least you wouldn't have lost all of your contacts.
- dgath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0HAHA! How awesome is this that a thread which everyone is calling lame and useless technology is sharing the front page with another story about a 5mhz IBM computer running 30 FPS video & audio.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5885351342753379583&q=8088 - xplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0icosahedral, I can't see the need to use a server to accomplish that stuff. They seem to be events initiated at the phone (uploading pictures, content, phone config). Why the need for an ever-present process?
- cryptoknight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Actually i could see a use for this something similar to say free net http://freenet.sourceforge.net/ where each phone would hold a piece of the data this way they could lease out your phone CPU cycles (free of charge for you of course) and they make a profit i mean with the phones they way they are now they could use them as a pretty impressive cluster.
- icosahedral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0xplo --
The reason why you would want it at the phone itself would be to make it less complex to reach the phone's data. Sure, a phone could push this data out somewhere, but that would somewhat limit it's usefulness -- as you would have to define where it was going. If there's data at the phone, it would seem reasonable to want to poll the phone itself rather than have to deal with an intermediary distribution platform. It's that whole distributed view of computing thing. And since we're just dealing with HTTP and everything that goes along with it, it's a standardized and open base to develop from.
I'm not sure this particular scenario is feasable, but think of it as a thought experiment. Fast forward five years or so, when your phone is now a lovely converged PDA, mp3, swiss army knife thinger with tons of storage and a decent amount of computing power. You walk into a crowded bar, and your phone polls the other phones through some sort of bluetooth like mechanism. Your phone notices that it sees another phone that belongs to someone on your contact list. Then, all on its own, your phone does a request over HTTP to your friend's phone for some busy/free status stuff to see if he's up for being interrupted or whatnot. The request comes back saying that whatever circle of trust that you're in is free to interrupt. So your phone lights up and says "Contact X is nearby. Do you want to say hi?" Click, click -- you find each other, and there you go.
Again - might be silly, but yeah. Distributing this to handheld devices is a cool thing to think about. Sorry about the length. - feanor512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not using .Net because it's for Symbian Series 60 smartphones, not Windows Mobile smartphones. For people complaining about battery life, ditch the Razr and get a smartphone. As far as performance, my phone, which is over a year old, has a 150MHZ CPU and 12MB free RAM. Newer smartphones have up to 400MHZ CPUs and 64MB RAM.
This won't be usable on T-Mobile; with the $20 internet plan they don't give you a public IP and with the $30 VPN plan they don't give you a static IP.
And, there's already a Series 60 webserver out...
http://my-symbian.com/7650/applications/applications.php?fldAuto=568&faq=6 - teamparadox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i can see it now...3 users and the server goes down
- icosahedral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There's actually a few things that spring to mind.
One thought that comes to mind is -- instead of running wordpress on your cellphone -- there would be an API that could be pinged every now and again to pull new pictures automagically off your phone. Software could be built so that you enter the DNS name that the phone company gives your phone, and any new content that become available could be crunched and published in a variety of ways.
Or you could have it available for data that's constantly updating. It's vaguely Orwellian, but the phone itself could be polled for GPS data.
Hell -- Even configuring the phone through a web browser might be a bit more convenient that punching a keypad with a little screen.
*shrugs* - mynameisob3l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OH MY ***** GOD! IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY!
- tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"the question here, really, is why???"
Because it can be done. Welcome to Geekdom.™ - MikeGlenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It will be interesting to see how the providers react to the encroachment into their walled gardens if this catches on. Phones have traditionally been treated as the anti-web by the providers to maximize their control over the content. Perhaps technologies like these will pave the way to a more open mobile platform.
- NiLeS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"the question here, really, is why???"
Because it can be done. Welcome to Geekdom.™
Dugg just for the comment(s). - konspence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow, now I can't wait to run a warez server on my cell phone.
- freshfox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lest we forget...
Ken Olson, the chairman and founder of the late, great Digital Equipment Corp., who back in 1977 remarked that "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." Or the engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Div. of IBM saying of the microchip in 1968, "But what... is it good for?" - allenu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If you had a web server on you at all times that was always on, you could use a dumb network appliance to connect to it and have a web-based UI to access stored information (say you had a personal google server that searched all your documents that you incidentally also stored on the phone). Other than that, I don't see the need to have a web server on a cell phone.
- jasonherald, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is a really nifty thing. Completely Pointless. But really nifty.
- Discosis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The website you are calling is switched off or not in a service area...
- bondo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is way cool! but when will I be able to run a mail server on my toaster and mythtv on my washing machine?
- nstern2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0change the way we think about the web. eh? No I still think its a massive porno mag. you fail.
- JoukoSalonen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think this will happen. Remember that the world wide web itself is now rapidly changing. Go to the Netcraft and look at the webserver statistics - the trend and the numbers, compare that with the activity on the existing web 2.0 -type services front, the number of blogs and bloggers, Flickr-contributors etc. I am sorry to say this software-geeks but the web is not yours anymore. Completely new type of citizens are flowing in and they just happen to like those features that this will enable. Go and check the existing servers that are already on-line! There is nothing new as such but still, there is something different.
- andrebsd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'd take a VNC *server* before this... They got VNC Viewers which is nice for using my desktop from the phone... but what if I wan't to sit at my desk, and pull up information (or the entire screen, so I can have my e-mail on a single device rather than syncing constantly) while the phone stays in my pocket. A VNC *server* would be quite nice.
Now this probibly also is really only viable with an unlimited data plan; but surely it has to be more useful than a web server. Though the web server is cool just because it can be done. - kar1107, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0After I posted something about this on my blog, I saw this discussion thru' google.
http://kar1107.blogspot.com/2006/03/running-servers-on-cell-phones.html
Running web server is cool. The basic idea is bringing in server capabilities to a cell phone. All applications today are phone initiated; that is the phone can only do client job. Without periodic pushing out of data, server capabilities become essential for future phones which can generate/hold gigabytes of data.
Karthik - tfotherby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think this is very good news. I want to get to a situation where I don't need a computer or a laptop or a server or to have to rely on other peoples web-services like webmail. I want my phone to be everything. I want it to store all my files, run my website, be my camera, be my email client, be my map. One device to rule them all. This project is bringing that dream closer.
Of course we need mobile phone company's to stop charging per Kb or for phones to use WiMax to connect to the internet. My dream is more likely to come from the shrinking of laptops than the progression of mobile phones. A laptop with VoIP in a hotspot IS a FREE mobile phone right? - dgath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> Cellphones have non routeable addresses. It would be pretty useless having a webserver that no one on the internet could see.
Uhh.... that is why Nokia is experimenting with this. I think they already know that. - kakos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can think of at least one gimmicky reason to do this. Run a photo album from your phone of all your pictures that people can access from any web browser at any time.
- bigredergib, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"This could change the way we think about the web."
Really? How narrow is your view of the web?
I really don't see the difference between this and a pocketPC or other computer with a mobile internet connection.
Also this is going to be very very limited in functionality and performance. Funkytaco had it right when he said "Welcome to 1994."
Again I ask, where is the 'un-digg' option to vote against articles that have made it to the front page. There are no checks and balances! - ki6amd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn, my HTML code got stripped, but you get the point
- ki6amd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
My Phone
OH MY ***** GOD! IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITY!
And this would be what would be on everyone's phone / web server. (or a flashback to Geocities) - TRUEPATRIOT, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@bigredergib
thats what reporting is for.just use "this is lame"and if enough ppl agree with you its off the front page.. - NerveBand, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Its a pretty interesting concept. I like the fact that they are trying. I wouldn't mind carrying my website wherever I go. That way, if anyone dossed, i'll just turn it right back on instantly. And it would always be int he palm of my hand. The Only major issue is ram and battery consumption. I mean how strong is a cell at all.
Maybe they will improve the hardware or something, i don't know.
But those who keep on saying this is a lame idea, think again. Use your imagination and think that maybe it can actually be USEFUL.
For instance, being able to mange your server wherever you go, administer and control your server all on the server, htrough your phone.
The only big huge issue is text input.
Then again, i am just a 14 year old giving ideas...
Just open your brains people. - crackhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow I am amazed at the lack of imagination here. I'm not saying there's a killer app, but jeez there are a lot of people who are being negative.
T-mobile USA has an unlimited data plan for $20...although I'm sure servers are against the Terms of Service.
Imagine if you have programmatic access to other phone functions...such as the GPS subsystem. You could serve your current coordinates without some kind of pricey carrier-provided option. I'm sure the creative minds here on Digg.com can come up with some interesting ideas...that don't require a log of cpu power or bandwidth. - [ballistic], on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For those of you asking "why", you're either not very imaginative or too young to have heard that Apple Newtons have been doing this for years using "Newton Personal Data Sharing".
http://npds.free.fr/
Check it out: Newtons serving web pages.
As other, more imaginative diggers have mentioned, this will allow for some innovative capabilities that will transform mobile computing and personal data sharing. Share your schedule, files, photos, location, etc, only with people who have the right permissions. Don't want your cell phone provider or a web server tracking your location, but you want to let your friends and family members know where you are? Problem solved. Want to allow others to check your availability to tentatively schedule an appointment or better yet, a date, subject to your approval? Problem solved.
Imagine all of the social networking/mobile social software capabilities this will allow... -
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