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- fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -5/+105Do they show you how to roll your own career too? Because you'll also need to do that if you're going to avoid industry standard softwares.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+58Agreed. People always say I should switch to Linux and just use GIMP, but they've obviously never recieved a single cent for any of their work. It doesn't even have CMYK or LAB color modes! Need to proof your work according to some mundane proprietary color profile? You just can't do it.
The reason Adobe's CS series costs the money it does is you're supposed to be able to pay that off in a couple of jobs (or less). Most people who don't use CS2 for forum signatures pay it off in a week or two. - nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42"They see me rollin', my creative suite. An tryin' to catch me shoppin' for free."
- magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34@selrahc
"This is better than pirating it"
wrong wrong wrong.
The main reason photoshop is top dog is because how easy it is to pirate. I think is was Alex Lindsay who was talking about his first few days at ILM for starwars ep1 and someone in the room asked how many of them started off with a legit version of Photoshop and not a single hand went up, then asked how many now own a copy and every hand in the room went up. Also when 3ds max and maya where coming up their where actually a few other programs that where much better than those two but they also have almost uncrackable protection and because of that they faded away. - ajamer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24If you are using the programs in a professional setting, BUY THEM (they're making you money)
I can understand the college kid pirating it to touch up a few photos, but as a business, you should buy your software - rqwhitaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22that's so white and nerdy
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22That's like handing a surgeon a pair of saftey scissors you found in the street and saying, "THANKS A LOT FOR NOT SAYING THANKS". You cannot use GIMP if you want to do print work...that's all I'm saying. It's not fair to liken this to a "Creative Suite", because the tools aren't even in the same league.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18"...and are not professional" I'm so sick of these kind of topics. GIMP cannot replace Photoshop, however much I wish it could. Although, that only applies to the few people who actually _need_ Photoshop, that is.
- magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16@tehjarvis
"Wow. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. It's FREE."
So is a bullet in the head.... just because its free doesn't mean its a good idea. - LotusStarscream, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13There is an ad for CS3 on the side of the page, thats funny to me.
- selrahc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17On the other hand though, if you don't work in the industry do you really need industry standard software? This is better than pirating it. Which I used to do. It's not for everyone, but neither is Adobe.
- magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12wtf. why are people digging cacoe down... no one rips straight from photoshop to their proofer. High quality pdf is the way to go and you can leave it editable.
- Jarasmen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Let's face it - if you want to start off in the industry some day, you have to pirate Photoshop. I mean - who in their right mind would buy a 600$ app only for the purpose of learning how it works? "Hey mom, I want to make computer graphics one day, I need 600 bucks"?
- kenok, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9GIMP's problem IMO is the interface... Transitioning from Photoshop to GIMP and vice-versa is quite a steep one.
- Zzone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9next i want to hear how Blender is so much better than maya!
- Sabretou, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Free software as a replacement for costlier ones is a great move, but the GIMP really isn't a Firefox. There is a reason why Adobe's programs are industry standards - they have quality.
- phoomp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I don't think this article is aimed at professional graphic designers. For the rest of us who need to do image editing for about 20% of their day, and can't justify the expense for Photoshop, opensource solutions are a god-send.
- dgr814vr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This is Good for the casual developer and people who have no real need for photoshop (Holiday Photo Cleanup) and decide to pirate it.
GIMP and the like are good programs, but unfortunatly are not an Industry Standard or Replacement, Unless certain proprietary technologies are available via legal paid licence plugins, there is no real scope for GIMP in the true Print Industry.
But yes, most people who pirate do not need to be using the software and they are the ones for whom this would be good.
(The space you save on the Program files can be used for the movies you get of the net) - ohnnyj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yes, Adobe software can be expensive, but I think it is worth every penny. And you do not necessarily have to buy full versions. I am a student, I purchased the educational version of CS2 for about $400 which is a lot less than the $1,000+ for the retail. But the best thing is, I was able to buy the commercial upgrade for CS3 for $500 and didn't have to purchase the $1,500 retail version. So if you are a student the best path is to buy the educational version for one generation and for the next generation buy the commercial upgrade. Yes, this is still a lot of money but if you look at what you get its not that bad. I purchased the Web Design Premium package which comes with Acrobat 8, Flash, Dreamwever, Contribute, Photoshop Extended, Illustrator, Fireworks, and Bridge. In my opinion that is a lot of great software for the money.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@magic
Agreed, I started photoshopping because I was in charge of the school yearbook. For some reason, people wanted to use Photoshop...and there wasn't a chance that I was going to pay $600 to copy and paste pictures of my classmates, so I got it off of Limewire. Now, I've bought CS1, CS2 and I'll soon buy CS3. - jtorkbob, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11append to summary: "... that runs on Windows."
- SpinMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4exactly! and how much support has the gimp file extension got with any other app?
all video and DVD editing software I've come across have support for layered psd files..
and ALL new adobe apps can communicate so much easier with each other.. I doubt this "creative suite" can do that... - MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yet again, THEY'RE IN MY PHOTOSHOPZ TRYING TO REPLACE EVERYTHING WITH OSS.
That software is nice, but it can't substitute Adobe's Creative Suite. - neokoenig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4What about Eclipse? That's a top notch development environment which rivals Dreamweaver and is open source
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Not a lot of choice.
I have no problem dropping $1500 on CS3. But I don't own a Mac, and I won't use Windows. The best tools in the world are useless to me.
The fact is until Adobe decides to support Linux, these are the only tools a lot of us have to work with.
Paint.net shouldn't even be on this list IMHO. It only works under Windows systems, and is there for irrelevant.
Audacity has been a work horse for me going on 3 years now. I really don't know why some one would need another audio program.
Jahashaka is a very promising video editing application, but at the moment it completely lacks the ability to handle HD file formats.
I've looked into both versions of Cinelerra, but apparently no one is using it with a Panasonic AG-HVX-200 with it. That does not bode well, since that's the hottest indy camera out there.
Inkscape is coming along nicely. Still lacks the advanced layer features of Illustrator, but it is usable for vector art.
I haven't used Scribus or Synfig yet.
We have a long way to go, and what's really stopping us a lack of unity.
We need to take the code of these apps, and form a unified suite in the same manner OpenOffice has.
It doesn't need to be a clone of CS3, but the same tools should work the same way in every application.
THIS is what is holding the Linux Desktop back. Not 3D swirlly cubes and rubber windows but actual applications that let us get stuff done.
With the exception of Paint.net every one of these project was Open Source and cross platform. The tools are growing and if the community continues to make them available to all platforms like this as it unifies them, one day we can break the strangle hold Adobe has just like M$ hold over Office and OS is being broken now.
Maybe Adobe will wise up and develop for Linux before they suffer the same fate as the boys from Redmond. - magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5probably the same people who buy half eaten ritz crackers on ebay :)
- flink405, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Photoshop or forget it.
Worth ever penny; however, I wish it was cheaper. - Malachai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, Blender vs. Maya is a lot better than GIMP vs. Photoshop.
- unusualFall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@ kenok:
enter gimpshop (OS X, Linux, & Windows): http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241 - shanesemler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you're not doing CMYK/print graphics, Gimp and Inkscape are perfectly usable. If you're doing web graphics or user interfaces (icons, wallpapers, etc.) you don't need Photoshop.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Lots of criticism from Diggers, and not enough foresight. Yes, we know the "industry" expects familiarity with Photoshop, Illustrator, Flash, Dreamweaver, other-expensive-product, and we know that two or three decent contracts will also pay for these products, too. But after 20 years in the industry, and other than Flash, I've not happened across a project that couldn't be managed and presented on time with F/OSS software.
Perhaps out of the 30 people I regularly communicate with in the design - particularly web design - industry, 7 of them successfully use F/OSS - and only F/OSS - in their career. Five of them will probably comment on this particular article. What would they say about the design industry as a whole? They'd say, "Myopic to the core - it ain't what you do, it's the way that you do it."
Kudos to the article's author - perhaps it'll inspire fresh talent to join our expensive ranks. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Except for Paint.net every one of these applications is available for OS X.
- shanesemler, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No, I'm not kidding. Please explain how the "workflow" in PS is so much better.
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not yet. But they're drinking milk. :-D
- ericeman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Jarasmen
"Hey mom, I want to make computer graphics one day, I need 600 bucks"
If you show enough interest in computer graphics, it's possible your parents will buy the program for you. My mom saw a student discount on CS2 and immediately picked it up for my sister who will be entering college for graphic design in a year and also got me Final Cut Express because I'd shown enough interest in my camera that it seemed like it would be practical and that I'd learn from it. If you show enough interest and determination in a field of study, your parents might just be willing to support it.
I played guitar for a year or two and got relatively good at it but at a slow pace. I learned chords and learned most of my favorite songs and she offered to get me some lessons because she knew I was interested.
In short: show that you're willing to make use of whatever it is you want them to spend their money on and maybe they'll be willing to invest in your future. - TimRogers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I'd like to be able to buy CS3, but I simply am unable to afford it. They give rise to their own problems - if they didn't charge as much, most people would just buy it, and not bother to pirate it.
- nutcase, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3the debate here should be on why to run all Adobe apps on Linux via wine (and how to make that WINE's priority) vs. Windows/Mac
Only then do you eliminate another expense that could be avoided and sacrifice nothing in the end result - twelveandfat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Holding a student license on software you're using for commercial work when you're no longer a student is about as legal as pirating it.
- thecatisdead, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7"Roll your own"? Way to lend credibility.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*sound of crickets*
AND LEAVE GIMPSHOP! - Jarasmen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@ericeman: Actually right now I could afford it myself, but, like I said, I won't pay that much for an app I will use for nothing more than learning how it works. It's a good deal if you will make a buck out of it, but otherwise it's just too much.
Those student discounts are, however, tempting. - Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Paint.net is M$ only. So... not an option for us Linux or Mac people.
It's also not FOSS. - pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2True. Audacity is fine for recording from a built-in microphone or similar and putting together your podcasts and whatnot, but its editing capabilities are very weak and it doesn't work with other audio apps.
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I would love to buy CS3. I would even pay the full retail price. As soon as I can run it on Linux I'll add it to my Maya seat.
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'd rather the debate be "How to get Adobe to support Linux natively?"
These apps are the answer to that question. Since they are cross platform, and run under every major OS including Linux, supporting them and making them evolve to compete Adobe is the best way to get Adobe to support the Linux platform. When these other "Creative Bundles" start to make a real dent they will invest in making them irrelevant by giving us the best tools. Finally.
The bottom line is you CAN do everything with these apps you can do with CS3. Just S L O W E R.
But hell. I used Photoshop 1.0. GIMP is way better that that. - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm all for free software, I'm all for linux, but.... Learning software is hard getting proficient at software is harder.
The standard for graphics is Photoshop, legal or not I dont care how you get it just cut to the chase and get
photoshop and don't bother with this "free" software. - fantasyflamz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I have pirated software, like adobe premiere pro, maya, and photoshop, but I'm still in college. But right before I graduate I plan on buying photoshop and maya at the student rates so I have real copies of them. I mean, I'm still in college. I can't pay for the real stuff yet. But I will.
- mrgono3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ericeman
Lucky - EnsErmac, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3If image editing is 20% of your day, I'd say that you are a good candidate to buy Photoshop and not use this opensource knockoff crap that gets up here once a week.
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