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Pigdin or aMSN: Stealing Pidgin Users

pigdin.im — aMSN has bought www.pigdin.im a misspelling of the IM client web site www.pidgin.im. I thought open source was all about choice, not taking advantage of users who may mistype URLs. Digg this story to make more users aware of the cheap tactic aMSN is using.

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  • leachim_6, on 10/11/2007, -131/+19FIRST POST!!!
    the aMSN people are idiots .. this is the thing that domain squatters do ... and everyone hates domain squatters
    • shrewduser, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13http://www.nic.im/public/whois.mth?domainname=pigdin.im&search=Who+Is+Search
    • RunOut, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=amsn-project&tld=net
    • tamrix, on 10/11/2007, -11/+74Who said the same people who bought http://www.pigdin.im work for the amsn project.

      It could just be anyone.. from the whois look up on both domains they dont look like the same person or even the same country! There two different companys who knows what the intended purpose was for this domain.

      Maybe someone just bought it and figured while he was holding on to that domain name he would link it to amsn.. it possible.
    • speaker219, on 10/11/2007, -10/+4"Mr Domain Administrator"
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -10/+163Open source is a software license, not a promise to live your life or run your business in a certain way.
    • aywwts4, on 10/11/2007, -24/+12Before a group announces their name, they should buy and secure all the possible misspellings, not after. The only excuse not to is if you are a project growing organically from obscurity. Otherwise, domains are dirt cheap, and the only person to blame are the project managers.
    • bruenig, on 10/11/2007, -14/+24@fkr
      It is a software license which is purposed to enable software freedom. Duping people into using your software when they clearly intend to use someone else's such as this ploy intends to do is counter to the original purpose.
    • a0me, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23Buried as Inaccurate.
      At this point no one knows if the aMSN team and the domain squatter are even related.
      Way to check your facts before submitting this to digg.
    • Fritzed, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6588 Sutter St. #129 is the registrant address for pigdin.im

      This same address has previously been the administrative contact for microsoft.ms and europe-maps.net
      The currently active domain of SYTHE.ORG is also registered to this address.
    • formergthing, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1It's marketing, dude- plain and simple. If you want people to find out about your product, even if it's free, you advertise. Do some searches on google for branded terms and you will see advertisements for competitors. It's just the nature of the beast.
    • Fritzed, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I realize now that this address is a domain registration privacy company. So I guess that tells us nothing.
    • zulfy26, on 10/11/2007, -11/+5This isn't the World of Warcraft forums, go back to playing your almost level 70 night elf rogue.
    • SirNoobius, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3at least they got a good host. the site is still up hasn't been ddosed to death
    • djlosch, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4here's a lawsuit waiting to happen. if the domain was bought by the amsn team or affiliate, that looks like it's bad faith trademark infringement.
    • estvir, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10> I thought open source was all about choice ..

      Only if your choice coincides with the popular choice. So, if you openly prefer Konquerer or Epiphany to Firefox you will be buried or if you prefer OpenSUSE to Ubuntu you will be ridiculed.

      For the most part, it's a sham or at least it seems that way by the common "LOL GO LINUX BOO M$" kid who is unfortunately the most vocal, but if you get into the 'true' FOSS community it's usually okay, just ignore the pro-FOSS kids on Digg and similar sites.

      When I first started messing with Ubuntu aMSN was the one of the first IM clients I used and while it was a little buggy and ugly as hell it did the job well but I haven't tried it in awhile, I'll do so soon when I boot into my Linux box.
    • jadenguy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1my guess is the squatter is trying to coerce pidgin by sending people there and thus risk killing their marketshare.
    • theonlyvlad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Oh noes they be stealing them's bucket!

      So, when FireFox does it against evil MS (ie7.com), it's a noble fight, but it's herecy for two "good guys" to do it?

      Open Source developers are made up of people just like the rest. And the projects themselves have fanboys (which this could be a work of). And in the end, a) Pidgin is very well known, b) If you go to download Pidgin, see "aMSN" and say "oh well, what the heck, I guess Pidgen was all a big rumor and it doesn't exist so I'll go with this ***** client...... well, then you need a longer attention span and a few more deductive skills.
    • johnthedebs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11From the Pidgin website:

      "Typo squatter

      We and the aMSN team are both aware of the typo squatter on pigdin.im, and the redirect there is not approved by either group. Please do not harass the aMSN developers regarding it."
    • Dweller99, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2"FIRST POST!!!"

      You are an idiot .. this is the thing that idiots do ... and everyone hates idiots
    • init100, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@estvir

      "I'll do so soon when I boot into my Linux box."

      You have one? I can't believe that, as you are one of the main Microsoft-lovers here.
  • atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -7/+77aMSN doesn't work with other protocols other then... guess... MSN. Pidgin does a lot more.
    • theWrkncacnter, on 10/11/2007, -15/+1I never even heard of aMSN before today. Some kind of closed source alternative to pidgin?
    • atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19...alternative to MSN, it works ok it even does video chat in Linux which is nice.
    • init100, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@theWrkncacnter

      "I never even heard of aMSN before today. Some kind of closed source alternative to pidgin?"

      aMSN is just as open-source as Pidgin. The difference is that while Pidgin focus on broad protocol compatibility, aMSN focus on just the MSN protocol. This makes aMSN have better features w.r.t. this protocol than e.g. Pidgin, such as fast file transfers, window nudges, webcam support, etc. On the other hand, if you (like me) have accounts on multiple IM networks, you might prefer Pidgin or one of the other multi-protocol clients.

      I do use aMSN once in a while when some friend wants to send a file through MSN, because aMSN does this well while Pidgin sucks at it, but I otherwise dislike the aMSN interface and like the Pidgin interface, so Pidgin is what I usually use.
  • chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -3/+81This is *****. Surely one of the aMSN developers will see this and be able to comment. It's gonna cost them a LOT of good will.
    • ptFoe, on 10/11/2007, -46/+19It's not amsn's fault that pigdin users are notorious for their poor spelling.
    • drzeus, on 10/11/2007, -22/+30I've come to realize that one of the most common types of stories on Digg, much like top ten lists, is the rallying cry. "Look what this company/person/open source project did! Let's use the power of our massive population to force them to change." I almost think that these stories are becoming more common after everyone learned the impact we have after the whole HD-DVD key thing.

      Let's use our power for good. Don't try to rally me daily, please. This behavior on the part of aMSN is a little strange, maybe a bit underhanded, but I can't honestly say that I care all that much.
    • AceyS, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3oh come on why digg ptfoe down. that was a great joke. I mean before this article I wasn't aware of either and thus unaware of any intelligence stigmas, but I lol'd.
    • AceyS, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10Oh crap. Pidgin is the new GAIM. I totally use gaim. Hey ptfoe that was rude! Now I see... making fun of people is only funny if it's not you.
    • mdshort, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It wasn't aMSN, this is now what you get when you go to the offending website:

      "You are currently on the aMSN website which is a IM client for the Microsft Live Messenger network.
      You have been faked by some malicious people who try to throw a war between aMSN community and Pidgin community. We are indeed sorry such a thing happend and the only thing we can do is to give you this smart warning and to give you the correct link to Pidgin website which is http://www.pidgin.im

      You can still visit aMSN website : http://www.amsn-project.net "
    • chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Massive props to the aMSN people for handling this so graciously.
  • WiCk3D, on 10/11/2007, -5/+44and not to mention, aMSN is uuuuuuuugly, but they have better MSN protocol support tho
    • abdulla, on 10/11/2007, -2/+41Faaar better MSN protocol support. Libpurple's MSN protocol support is amazingly lacking.
    • rpgmaker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I agree with you, even though I leave aMSN and now I use Pidgin, it's pretty nice and simple. The amsn is extremely ugly.
    • xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2have you tied the latest versions, its gotten alot better.
    • NinjaBoy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Yeah this is problem i see with open source projects. See if the aMsn team would just work with pidgin and help them with the msn support life could be simpler all around. There are too many times where an OS project competes with other similiar projects when i think if they worked together they could accomplish far more.
    • init100, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1@wick3d

      "not to mention, aMSN is uuuuuuuugly, but they have better MSN protocol support tho"

      I completely agree. I use Pidgin, but once in a while I fire up aMSN just to transfer a file, since its file transfers are fast. Its interface is beyond ugly though, so I close it immediately after the transfer is complete.

      @dj50

      "If you are on Windows, it's better to use the original clients (Yahoo! Messenger user here)."

      Unless you have accounts on multiple IM networks and don't want to run three clients at once. Then Pidgin comes in handy. By the way, I mostly use IM networks for chatting with my buddies, so I don't really think I'm missing out on a lot of features. For example, I don't even own a webcam, so I really gives a rats ass about webcam support.
  • czer323, on 10/11/2007, -55/+9***** aMSN. ***** MSN. I'd say that the AIM protocol is the most popular in the US.
    • BladeMelbourne, on 10/11/2007, -30/+8Fsck AOL.Fsck you too.
    • NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+62Popular != Better
    • BrainInAJar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24FWIW I don't happen to know anyone who uses anything other than MSN, but then again I'm canadian... I'd think that would be the sort of thing that'd transfer across the two almost indistinguishable cultures, but maybe not
    • kcpwnsgman, on 10/11/2007, -14/+6why say fsck? i mean really, if you are trying to avoid the swear filter, its an optional filter....
    • ajxx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+47Yeah, AIM is popular only in the US. All my friends use Google Talk or MSN.
    • KennMac, on 10/11/2007, -3/+38Yeah, and Myspace is popular, yet it is widely accepted (even by its users) that it sucks.
    • NetElemental, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4It used to be the most popular, at least, but in the last year(or since gtalk was integrated into gmail) all my friends have gotten gmail accounts and switched to google talk. Definitely the right choice in my opinion, but it used to seem that you were right, AIM was extremely popular, just in the U.S.
    • dhakbar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8nicksvideo: No, in the case of any kind of communications network, more popular does equal better, in one sense at least. The more popular the IM network, the more people you could speak with using it. That's obviously the inherent value of a communications network. You know, communication...
    • aaronm67, on 10/11/2007, -9/+2In the case of IM protocols, more popular really is better.

      I don't know anyone that uses anything other then AIM, and I don't talk to people outside the country unless I knew them before they moved. I can use Gtalk or MSN as much as I want, but IMing just isn't as much fun by myself.

      Also, as far as features between the protocols, the only feature I care about is that when I push enter, my message shows up on their screen, and when they hit enter, their message shows up on my screen. There are easier ways to share files, and I think the idea of video messaging is pretty stupid all together (what can there possibly be to look at? Are people attractive when they're typing, reading what you say, and then typing back?)
    • Goner, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1personally, of my 400+ IM list people, only about 5 or 6 are MSN.. the vast majority are yahoo with a smattering of ICQ, AIM and g-talk thrown in...

      I prefer NOT to use MSN the same way I stay away from hotmail and all the 'LIVE' stuff over at MSN. They set the default browser page to MSN.COM ferchrissakes! EVERY computer I install, I need to change that to something more useful... What a pain in the ass.
    • NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't like, nor use, MSN Messenger. I just hate ignorant idiots like czer323 who bash things with no basis for why they're yelling obscenities at them.
    • topopardo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2AIM is used only in the US. In Europe, MSN or Yahoo! (now compatible) are more extended, and with the arrival of Gtalk I've been able to switch many of my computer-illiterate friends to Gaim. Now they can chat with anyone, with a clean interface and without all the banners and such
  • TorrentFox, on 10/11/2007, -12/+7How is this worth anybody's time?

    Open source developers competing for customers of their free software? Get real!
  • EztliNahua, on 10/11/2007, -30/+11http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=20592
    Just posted on the forums, let's see if they reply or if they censor me.
    • 5555, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36Did you have to post in such an antagonistic tone? You could have asked and waited to pass judgment after a reply. You post comes off like that of a troll, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's deleted.
    • jarturoar, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16I would block you, That forum post really shows great respect!!
    • fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11You're my hero EztliNahua. It muist have taken great courage and self-sacrifice on your part to fill in the rego form and then portray yourself as a child.
  • BestPker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13If aMSN supports more protocols...I would consider switching...Their MSN features are just amazing!
  • matdevdug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Open-source fights don't make sense to me because what does aMSN have to gain by getting users away from Pidgin? They serve a different market entirely.
    • ptFoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16street cred and goes down well with the ladies if you know what I mean
  • Moriya, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4I doubt someone with enough knowledge to download pidgin is going to be tricked by a domain squatter - pidgin is superior software to aMSN by far.
    • cdmarcus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@moriya: aMSN has more complete MSN protocol support, which is why some people use it instead of Pidgin for MSN. They're different, you can't really compare them.
  • DesignerScott, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1You mean they're not just putting ads on it and making money that way like domainer scum
  • papastout, on 10/11/2007, -12/+4Bad form, ...makes me wonder if the name will be scrapped and reREnamed back to Gaim...

    probably not

    I'm with chickentonight - It's gonna cost them a LOT of good will... to take it a step further I suspect the aMSN crowd will start switching to pidgin as this gets more attention.
    • cdmarcus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7What you're saying makes no sense... they're not going to fight AOL again to get their old name back just because of an annoying cybersquatter. aMSN users won't switch to Pidgin because aMSN and Pidgin are two completely different clients. Pidgin supports many protocols, but doesn't support much beyond text for most, whereas aMSN supports MSN protocol features that Pidgin doesn't support.
  • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4LOL, pidgin is far superior, what other IM can handle 4096 bit encrypted messages? i would like to see anyone try and brute force that kind of security
  • adamd84, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19Somehow I doubt this is someone connected to amsn, most likely just some random tard.
  • masterconnor, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2clearly just a joke.
  • solshar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+31This looks more like the work of an over zealous aMSN fan.
    • NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1I bet it was YOU.

      How else would you know?
  • scribebox, on 10/11/2007, -26/+1Windows Messenger + Gmail Via Live! FTW
    • digitalme, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14I tried to think of a witty response, but your comment was so amazingly stupid that I just blocked you.
    • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8sorry but ad spam is not my cup of tea, neither is "there is a windows live messenger update" every ***** 2 minutes.

      pidgin has zero BS

      and what is with the nudge feature? can MS make a more useless anoying feature?
  • chechonouvel, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4It's very easy to relink to other site using frames. If you browse the source code of pigdin.im, you will see a frameset. Anybody can link to almost any site out there.

    Even more, it's strange that the page title says "Multi-protocol instant messaging client", when everybody knows that aMSN is NOT multiprotocol...
    Watch before blaming so rapidly... that's strange too
  • purehotlove223, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2This is interesting. It may be a cheap tatic, but thats how you gotta fight around here.
  • BalooUrsidae, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Both aMSN and Pigdin are considered harmful. Why support some closed protocol that prohibits such use anyway (like MSN: No third party clients allowed in the terms of service), when Jabber is the open source IM standard, and the only IM standard IETF currently recognizes?
    • chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Pidgin supports the real world, where some people use Jabber but others use MSN, ICQ, etc. It would be impractical for me to abandon my contacts using proprietary IM protocols.
    • crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9That's some good logic. You know Pidgin supports Jabber, right? But no, let's ban all apps that support closed formats. No more Amarok and OpenOffice I guess. :(
  • lupicite, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7If you do a whois on both domains, they show differing name servers, registrars (obviously as one is .IM), and the pigdin.im site is a frame. 2 minutes of work and the problem is solved. If anything, complain to these people:

    https://www.nic.im/public/whois.mth?domainname=pigdin.im&search=Who+Is+Search
  • totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1"I thought open source was all about choice, not taking advantage of users who may mistype URLs."

    Maybe its about both?
  • gerkin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5So the original poster links to the "evil" site and gives them all kinds of exposure .. brilliant.
  • jacjac3, on 10/11/2007, -7/+4Dude aMSN interface sucks ballllllzzzzzz.....
  • FutureGuy, on 10/11/2007, -15/+0The product name itself is a cheap trick aMSN, what does that remind you of? cough cough msn cough. What do you expect from a company like that.
  • Portezbie, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1lol, you are all funny.....funny looking! Yay pidgin
  • cheeseron, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Pidgin is Gaim, right?
  • SlaunchaMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9When idiots start using open-source software, Digg comments get harder and harder to read.
  • gulmargha, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1This is like the time that all the Firefox nerds got all bothered when some Linux folk renamed Firefox to IceWeasel… a lot of hot air over nothing.
  • tomis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Who gives a damn. aMSN.net and aMSN.org are both squatter domains. There are bigger problems on the web than two open source projects jockeying for users.
  • aggemam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hahaha I was so close to buying adium.im as a gift for Adium, but "The Tick" showed disinterest in the domain because they already have adium.org in the works...
  • phroztbyt3, on 10/11/2007, -6/+0Trillian is my IM of choice. More features than Pidgin, not as ugly as aMSN.
  • savethemooses, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Typosquatting, eh? How childish. I'll stick with PiDGin.
  • iirsys, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0nice link
  • xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2ok why would aMSN do this, its not like they even try to do the same thing. aMSN only does MSN, where as Pidgin tries to do every protocol under the sun.

    I use both, I hope the aMSN devs are not resorting to this.
    • init100, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2They're not. They have a warning page up by now if you arrive through the misspelled URL.
  • davi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0so what
  • brendanbond, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Open source is just that - allowing users to modify and redistribute code without restriction. Even ideologically it doesn't restrict businesses competing for users. Buried.
  • Tjikkun, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3As one of the developers of aMSN (albeit a "bit" inactive) I can assure you we did not buy the domain, and why would we? People that want to use an MSN client that looks a bit like the official client, will have no use for gaim^H^H^H^Hpidgin, but they might use aMSN. If you are looking for multi-protocol Pidgin might be your best bet (maybe Telepathy in the future).
    Anyway it is always nice to get more users, but we try to reach that goal by improving aMSN, and a lot of people seem to like what we are doing.
  • myst77, on 10/11/2007, -3/+0oh come on! aMSN (compiled against TCL/TK with antialias support) just RULES over the UGLY pidgin..... yes it's msn only, but it does support msn COMPLETELY, it's not a crippled client like pidgin.... (what an horrible name for an application!)
    • petepete, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1aMSN is fugly. May be more feature complete in terms of the MSN protocol but I still don't want it tainting my Gnome.
  • cybercat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I highly doubt this is the doing of the aMSN team. The whole page is a simple frame pointing to http://‌amsn-project.net . If it were actually owned by aMSN I'm almost positive they would have it just redirect to the official url like www.gooogle.com is automatically redirected to www.google.com, for example.
  • XaeroVincent, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Lame *****.

    aMSN doesnt even compare to Pidgin. Pidgin is more like Trillian and supports several chat protocals, whereas aMSN is like MSN Messenger in dire need of a face lift. Thank the heavons for themes.
  • murlox, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2It's irrelevant because they both have different market, most users who downloaded & use Pidgin are those who communicate thru AIM & other non-MSN protocols.
  • tomhennigan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+90Heya guys I'm an amsn developer. (http://cia.vc/stats/author/tomhennigan)

    We are not trying to steal Pidgin users. Neither are we "Typosquatting". The purchase of this domain name ("http://www.pigdin.im") was not done by the aMSN Project. Someone has decided to purchase "http://www.pigdin.im" ("https://www.nic.im/public/whois.mth?domainname=pigdin.im"), and has put a frame pointing at aMSN's download page ("http://amsn-project.net/download.php"). Sadly we cannot control this (as we don't own the domain), but we hope they would take down this site, or redirect it to http://pidgin.im (as users who navigate to "http://www.pigdin.im" are clearly not looking for aMSN).

    Also just to clear things up, aMSN is _not_ a multi protocol IM client (as the title of "http://www.pigdin.im" says). We only support the MSN protocol, and there is no development regarding other services at the moment.

    Hope this clears some things up!

    PS. Our URL "http://amsn-project.net" is hosted by a great company called JR Online ("http://www.jronline.nl/"), they've given us great hosting, and handle times of heavy traffic (such as when things get dugg or we have a new release) very well.
    • n0sferatu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Actually, you can control it.

      Put a rule in .htaccess (or equivalent) to redirect users that reach the aMSN site with the HTTP_REFERRER matching http://*.pigdin.im to the actual Pidgin website, http://pidgin.im. Problem solved.
    • vivia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Hi, I am also a developer of aMSN ( http://cia.vc/stats/author/vivia ).

      n0sferatu: this is what we are currently trying to do, but neither I nor tomhennigan have shell access to the server, and we are looking for those who do. I guess it will soon be done :) However, the best solution would be that whoever bought the domain changes the redirection... wonder who this might be....
    • unseenvision, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1@tomhennigan

      Uh....i find it interesting that the link you provided ( http://amsn-project.net ) redirects to http://pidgin.im ....or is this all just a sick joke.
    • vivia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4OUCH. Sorry!.... We are trying to redirect traffic from www.pigdin.im to www.pidgin.im and obviously something got messed up. :S It will soon be fixed.
    • tomhennigan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The website is currently being updated to fix the pidgin issue, the redirect wasn't a joke (it was a bad patch), which has been removed. We'll have this fully sorted soon (we're an open source app, so time isn't money it's people's 'real' lives, so again just give us some time). As you'll see access has been refused to our server when the connection originates from the URL "http://pigdin.im/".
  • mcleaver, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Thanks for clearing this up, Tom. I doubt you want trolls like this squatter around either :)
  • royale, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Then let's bury as inaccurate!

    or the submitter of the story, please change the title for correction
  • bullfinch, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1this is totally gay!
  • MrViklund, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Sad sad sad.
  • McLurker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Grr, I dugg this without reading the comments.

    Now I'm burying this. As inaccurate.
  • richardiscool, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2My give a ***** reading is off the (bottom) of the scale!
  • jlebrech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1aMsn stealing Pidgin's codebase would be more interesting, as amsn just works (like webcam) but the execution sucks.
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