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- fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -10/+164Open source is a software license, not a promise to live your life or run your business in a certain way.
- tomhennigan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+91Heya guys I'm an amsn developer. (http://cia.vc/stats/author/tomhennigan)
We are not trying to steal Pidgin users. Neither are we "Typosquatting". The purchase of this domain name ("http://www.pigdin.im") was not done by the aMSN Project. Someone has decided to purchase "http://www.pigdin.im" ("https://www.nic.im/public/whois.mth?domainname=pigdin.im"), and has put a frame pointing at aMSN's download page ("http://amsn-project.net/download.php"). Sadly we cannot control this (as we don't own the domain), but we hope they would take down this site, or redirect it to http://pidgin.im (as users who navigate to "http://www.pigdin.im" are clearly not looking for aMSN).
Also just to clear things up, aMSN is _not_ a multi protocol IM client (as the title of "http://www.pigdin.im" says). We only support the MSN protocol, and there is no development regarding other services at the moment.
Hope this clears some things up!
PS. Our URL "http://amsn-project.net" is hosted by a great company called JR Online ("http://www.jronline.nl/"), they've given us great hosting, and handle times of heavy traffic (such as when things get dugg or we have a new release) very well. - chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -3/+81This is *****. Surely one of the aMSN developers will see this and be able to comment. It's gonna cost them a LOT of good will.
- atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -7/+77aMSN doesn't work with other protocols other then... guess... MSN. Pidgin does a lot more.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -11/+75Who said the same people who bought http://www.pigdin.im work for the amsn project.
It could just be anyone.. from the whois look up on both domains they dont look like the same person or even the same country! There two different companys who knows what the intended purpose was for this domain.
Maybe someone just bought it and figured while he was holding on to that domain name he would link it to amsn.. it possible. - NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+63Popular != Better
- ajxx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+48Yeah, AIM is popular only in the US. All my friends use Google Talk or MSN.
- WiCk3D, on 10/11/2007, -5/+44and not to mention, aMSN is uuuuuuuugly, but they have better MSN protocol support tho
- abdulla, on 10/11/2007, -2/+41Faaar better MSN protocol support. Libpurple's MSN protocol support is amazingly lacking.
- KennMac, on 10/11/2007, -3/+39Yeah, and Myspace is popular, yet it is widely accepted (even by its users) that it sucks.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36Did you have to post in such an antagonistic tone? You could have asked and waited to pass judgment after a reply. You post comes off like that of a troll, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's deleted.
- solshar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32This looks more like the work of an over zealous aMSN fan.
- BrainInAJar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24FWIW I don't happen to know anyone who uses anything other than MSN, but then again I'm canadian... I'd think that would be the sort of thing that'd transfer across the two almost indistinguishable cultures, but maybe not
- atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+19...alternative to MSN, it works ok it even does video chat in Linux which is nice.
- a0me, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23Buried as Inaccurate.
At this point no one knows if the aMSN team and the domain squatter are even related.
Way to check your facts before submitting this to digg. - n0sferatu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Actually, you can control it.
Put a rule in .htaccess (or equivalent) to redirect users that reach the aMSN site with the HTTP_REFERRER matching http://*.pigdin.im to the actual Pidgin website, http://pidgin.im. Problem solved. - adamd84, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19Somehow I doubt this is someone connected to amsn, most likely just some random tard.
- vivia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14Hi, I am also a developer of aMSN ( http://cia.vc/stats/author/vivia ).
n0sferatu: this is what we are currently trying to do, but neither I nor tomhennigan have shell access to the server, and we are looking for those who do. I guess it will soon be done :) However, the best solution would be that whoever bought the domain changes the redirection... wonder who this might be.... - ptFoe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16street cred and goes down well with the ladies if you know what I mean
- CognitiveD, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14yeah. not at all like gaim
- jarturoar, on 10/11/2007, -4/+16I would block you, That forum post really shows great respect!!
- shrewduser, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13http://www.nic.im/public/whois.mth?domainname=pigdin.im&search=Who+Is+Search
- cdmarcus, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14@moriya: aMSN has more complete MSN protocol support, which is why some people use it instead of Pidgin for MSN. They're different, you can't really compare them.
- johnthedebs, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11From the Pidgin website:
"Typo squatter
We and the aMSN team are both aware of the typo squatter on pigdin.im, and the redirect there is not approved by either group. Please do not harass the aMSN developers regarding it." - BestPker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13If aMSN supports more protocols...I would consider switching...Their MSN features are just amazing!
- Fritzed, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12I realize now that this address is a domain registration privacy company. So I guess that tells us nothing.
- digitalme, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14I tried to think of a witty response, but your comment was so amazingly stupid that I just blocked you.
- matdevdug, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Open-source fights don't make sense to me because what does aMSN have to gain by getting users away from Pidgin? They serve a different market entirely.
- chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11yep.
- bruenig, on 10/11/2007, -14/+24@fkr
It is a software license which is purposed to enable software freedom. Duping people into using your software when they clearly intend to use someone else's such as this ploy intends to do is counter to the original purpose. - fkr3, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11You're my hero EztliNahua. It muist have taken great courage and self-sacrifice on your part to fill in the rego form and then portray yourself as a child.
- chickentonight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Pidgin supports the real world, where some people use Jabber but others use MSN, ICQ, etc. It would be impractical for me to abandon my contacts using proprietary IM protocols.
- SlaunchaMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9When idiots start using open-source software, Digg comments get harder and harder to read.
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9That's some good logic. You know Pidgin supports Jabber, right? But no, let's ban all apps that support closed formats. No more Amarok and OpenOffice I guess. :(
- drzeus, on 10/11/2007, -22/+30I've come to realize that one of the most common types of stories on Digg, much like top ten lists, is the rallying cry. "Look what this company/person/open source project did! Let's use the power of our massive population to force them to change." I almost think that these stories are becoming more common after everyone learned the impact we have after the whole HD-DVD key thing.
Let's use our power for good. Don't try to rally me daily, please. This behavior on the part of aMSN is a little strange, maybe a bit underhanded, but I can't honestly say that I care all that much. - lupicite, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7If you do a whois on both domains, they show differing name servers, registrars (obviously as one is .IM), and the pigdin.im site is a frame. 2 minutes of work and the problem is solved. If anything, complain to these people:
https://www.nic.im/public/whois.mth?domainname=pigdin.im&search=Who+Is+Search - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7I agree with you, even though I leave aMSN and now I use Pidgin, it's pretty nice and simple. The amsn is extremely ugly.
- McLurker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Grr, I dugg this without reading the comments.
Now I'm burying this. As inaccurate. - dhakbar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8nicksvideo: No, in the case of any kind of communications network, more popular does equal better, in one sense at least. The more popular the IM network, the more people you could speak with using it. That's obviously the inherent value of a communications network. You know, communication...
- theonlyvlad, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Oh noes they be stealing them's bucket!
So, when FireFox does it against evil MS (ie7.com), it's a noble fight, but it's herecy for two "good guys" to do it?
Open Source developers are made up of people just like the rest. And the projects themselves have fanboys (which this could be a work of). And in the end, a) Pidgin is very well known, b) If you go to download Pidgin, see "aMSN" and say "oh well, what the heck, I guess Pidgen was all a big rumor and it doesn't exist so I'll go with this ***** client...... well, then you need a longer attention span and a few more deductive skills. - RunOut, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=amsn-project&tld=net
- estvir, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10> I thought open source was all about choice ..
Only if your choice coincides with the popular choice. So, if you openly prefer Konquerer or Epiphany to Firefox you will be buried or if you prefer OpenSUSE to Ubuntu you will be ridiculed.
For the most part, it's a sham or at least it seems that way by the common "LOL GO LINUX BOO M$" kid who is unfortunately the most vocal, but if you get into the 'true' FOSS community it's usually okay, just ignore the pro-FOSS kids on Digg and similar sites.
When I first started messing with Ubuntu aMSN was the one of the first IM clients I used and while it was a little buggy and ugly as hell it did the job well but I haven't tried it in awhile, I'll do so soon when I boot into my Linux box. - mdshort, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5It wasn't aMSN, this is now what you get when you go to the offending website:
"You are currently on the aMSN website which is a IM client for the Microsft Live Messenger network.
You have been faked by some malicious people who try to throw a war between aMSN community and Pidgin community. We are indeed sorry such a thing happend and the only thing we can do is to give you this smart warning and to give you the correct link to Pidgin website which is http://www.pidgin.im
You can still visit aMSN website : http://www.amsn-project.net " - vivia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4OUCH. Sorry!.... We are trying to redirect traffic from www.pigdin.im to www.pidgin.im and obviously something got messed up. :S It will soon be fixed.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8sorry but ad spam is not my cup of tea, neither is "there is a windows live messenger update" every ***** 2 minutes.
pidgin has zero BS
and what is with the nudge feature? can MS make a more useless anoying feature? - gerkin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5So the original poster links to the "evil" site and gives them all kinds of exposure .. brilliant.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Who gives a damn. aMSN.net and aMSN.org are both squatter domains. There are bigger problems on the web than two open source projects jockeying for users.
- cybercat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I highly doubt this is the doing of the aMSN team. The whole page is a simple frame pointing to http://amsn-project.net . If it were actually owned by aMSN I'm almost positive they would have it just redirect to the official url like www.gooogle.com is automatically redirected to www.google.com, for example.
- AceyS, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10Oh crap. Pidgin is the new GAIM. I totally use gaim. Hey ptfoe that was rude! Now I see... making fun of people is only funny if it's not you.
- NicksVideo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't like, nor use, MSN Messenger. I just hate ignorant idiots like czer323 who bash things with no basis for why they're yelling obscenities at them.
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