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- ers35, on 10/12/2007, -2/+78Microsoft did not make this.
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30@meep3d & stockjones
I use both Gimp and Photoshop. I am not a graphic artist, though I do work on some webdev projects. For most of my needs, Gimp suits me just fine. In fact many of the people who _pirate_ photoshop, can use Gimp in its place. I have used Paint.NET as well though not as much as Gimp or Photoshop
My opinion? It is good to have choices and more importantly having a free as in 'libre' choice is very important. You might think that people who bitch about licenses are some crazy conspiracy theorists but considering the fact that a license such as the GPL has allowed small time developers and large companies to contribute to a social network of software is very important. Freedom to use the software, learn from it and extend it helps everyone. Some people value freedom more than others and therefore will always use or recommend free software.
@Meep3d:
The GPL is _not_ a EULA. a EULA covers usage of the program in addition to distribution. A EULA takes away rights that are awarded to you by copyright law. The GPL gives you all the rights copyright law provides and gives you more rights in distribution.
@stockjones:
Many people do use the Gimp and they use it well. Take http://jimmac.musichall.cz , he has done some great work using only free software. I will agree that Gimp does need some polishing in its interface and renderer. Hopefully the GEGL renderer fixes a lot of the shortcomings currently in Gimp. But calling Gimp ***** just shows how uninformed you are. - nhassan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Paint.NET
Copyright (C) 2007 Rick Brewster, Chris Crosetto, Tom Jackson,
Michael Kelsey, Brandon Ortiz, Craig Taylor, Chris Trevino, and Luke Walker.
Portions Copyright (C) 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
patial ownership by MS - floridiot2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16Awesome, gradients are now in 3.0!
- slps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16It's hard for the program to give you the update, when you don't have it.
- Darthmalt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Hmm like the Adobe website
(For those that don't know there is an easy hack to make the demo never expire)
But I hate it when people try to show off how 1337 they are by saying that having the professional software they pirated makes them superior than home users that use a free and by all appearances (haven't tried it) decent program. - EchoAlpha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"It started development as an undergraduate college senior design project mentored by Microsoft, and is currently being maintained by some of the alumni that originally worked on it."
The paint.net website says that it was mentored by Microsoft. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Yeah, it only took a little more than a day to get one of these stories to the front page. Come on Digg, Paint.NET is awesome!
- pumacub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10He didn't say it has more functionality, it just means it does everything he used Photoshop for.
- Combat247, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17erm wtf, microsoft didnt make this, and stop slagging of Microsoft with no evidence.
- pastasauce, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14You forgot about solitaire.
- aldenhg, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18Yay gradients! It's like 1993 when Adobe put gradient support into Photoshop all over again! Let's all make annoying web backgrounds and listen to Meat Loaf!
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"It's like 1993 when Adobe put gradient support into Photoshop all over again! "
Only that Photoshop wasn't free back then either. - killdashnine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6For most people who need to do the basics without getting fancy, this really fills the gaps between Microsoft's crappy Paint app and keeps you from having to go out and by (or pirate) Photoshop. Personally, I can stumble around Photoshop, but without some training it's overwhelming.
Kudos to the Paint.Net gang. This is one of my favorite free tools ever.
Dugg! - skizatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yeah there's a video of it too, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5CBWpX08lk
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7No, I don't think it does.
I've been using Paint.NET for a few months now, and I like it a lot... but little things like no vector text support really suck.
That said, it's probably the best free graphics tool out there. And yes, that include GIMP. - stockjones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7What C# in itself isnt impressive? XMLhttprequest isnt cool, Iframes arent used all over the web...Its amazing how many of you forget some of the cool things that were ideas conceived by Microsoft. Get over it.
And no, Im not saying Microsoft is an Angel of a company, but neither is Google, Apple or any other corporation that is trying to differentiate product to give it a competitive advantage on the market. Thats business 101. I will agree that the Microsoft has been a bit of an ass to comply with accepted WC3 standards but that doesnt mean all their stuff is crap. - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Who ever claimed that?
.NET is the best way to develop most Windows applications, both on the desktop and on the server.
While there has been a lot of progress made (Mono, for instance), the primary reason why .NET isn't popular on the Mac or Linux is because peope who use Macs or Linux, for the most part, hate Microsoft.
So they miss out on an awesome platform for software development. Sucks for them. - ray73864, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Tis true, Microsoft came up with XMLHttpRequest before anyone else, i remember back in 1998 using the "Microsoft Outlook Web Access" system, it had the ability to do async against the server while you were doing things like composing email and all using the system.
The worst part was MS dropping the system and going back to the old style way of doing websites, only for google to pickup 7years later where MS left off.
Also, i agree with others, the 'portions by Microsoft' thing would just be the developers putting in credits for the .NET framework that they used. - aoyamamotoko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5A valid option for many people. GIMP still has an edge on Paint.NET for some items. Unless they added the ability to change from real color to indexed for images, GIMP still has that advantage when working to optimize PNG and GIF images. Don't forget that Paint.NET runs only on Windows, unless someone has managed to get it compiling on Mono, and so it isn't as cross-platform.
The major fault of GIMP is that its interface is just plain ugly (not that GTK+ is helping much with ugly widgets). A similar thing could be said of Photoshop, it is just that everyone is used to its quirks.
stockjones, interesting comment. GIMP certainly isn't at par with Photoshop on actual image editing and probably won't be for some time. However, PS development has been lagging recently, mostly with just some cool (but non-essential) automations being the basis of the CS series. I'd be happy if GIMP could get to the feature set of PS 5.5 in the next two years. Of course, in some industries it is better than PS already (as CinePaint for example).
Now, if they were arguing superiority based on license, they might have had a valid point, but that is still debatable. - mattmcm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Meh. The site's there to give information, not look "leet".
- selphishnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4My professor was one of the lead people on this project, originally.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.net - krigney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4this version is definitely much faster than the previous version. i am running on my 1.8ghz laptop, and i want speed anywhere i can get it.
- cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT PAINT.NET
Paint.net FAQ:
http://paintdotnet.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=489
Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.net
Lots of speculative questions going on below. Best nip them in the bud.
FAQ questions include:
+ Will it ever be ported to Mac OS, Linux, or any other operating system?
+ Will Paint.NET ever replace Paint in Windows?
+ Can I make animated GIF's with Paint.NET?
+ Why can't I scan or print (pre-Windows XP)?
+ Why aren't Windows 98 or ME supported?
+ Does Paint.NET support plugins?
Photoshop file support here:
http://paintdotnet.12.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1238
Good, good stuff, folks. The only downer for me is not having live
text editting or vector object support. What ya gonna do though, eh?
I personally don't like some of the crappy stuff in GIMP, but many of the features in paint.net are very welcome, and nicely implemented in a much smaller memory imprint than Photoshop. I've still to check out GIMP on MacOS X, but MacOS certainly needs more free paint programs of this calibre. - ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Oh, and by the way, there is a version that was ported to the Mono framework, which runs on both the Mac and Linux.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.net#Mono_Port - osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Excellent program!
- ers35, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well, mentored just means that they were watched over/graded on it. They did all the work themselves I'm sure.
*Waits for more proof I'm wrong* (Which there probably will be.) - skizatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3And Photoshop's gradient tool hasn't really evolved either. Here's how it works: you click, drag, let go of the mouse button and ... oh, the gradient isn't exactly how you wanted. Undo. Click, drag ... dammit, undo. Click, drag ... dammit, undo. Click, drag ... well I'm tired of this, time for a beer instead. At least, that's how it was in CS2 last I tried. In Paint.NET it redraws the gradient while you're moving the mouse so you don't have to go through all that rigamarole.
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, there has been a port to Mono:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint.net#Mono_Port - gnixon70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I discovered paint.net a few months ago when I had to do some simple photo editing of screen shots for a manual I was making at the time. I had tried to use photo shop, and while it was really impressive, just too much for what I needed to do at the time. Gimp is really good, but again, too much for what I needed to do. Unless you do photo editing for a living paint.net is an excellent program with a very easy learning curve. The free part makes it even that more attractive.
- aoyamamotoko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ThinkFr33ly, the major problem with .NET on Linux and Mac is that Microsoft isn't porting their framework. Yes, there is Mono, but the legality of certain parts of it have some people (rightfully) nervous. Mono is also behind on features (because they have to trail behind Microsoft as there is no help from them).
.NET might be an awesome development platform, but it certainly isn't available equally for other systems. Of course, Java promised a lot of what .NET is doing, but was ahead of its time and so got pushed off the desktop for the most part. - tracker1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@aoyamamotoko, Actually the Mono guys talk to the MS.Net guys a bit.. They also, generally run the beta versions of MS.Net (those that actually have/run windows at all) ... Not everyone is an anti-ms zealot... As for the patent issues, I think that the mono framework is probably the biggest reason behind the deal with Novell and MS.
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"This program was supposed to replace MS paint (which sucks) in XP."
Wtf? No it wasn't... - Cybie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well the authors intended it as an MS Paint replacement... but no, it was never a Microsoft project.
From the website: "Originally intended as a free replacement for the MS Paint software that comes with Windows..." - adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Mono is intended for making GTK apps for Gnome using C# and it does a wonderful job at it. It is my favorite tool for developing Linux apps. (Tomboy, F-Spot, Beagle are Mono apps)
Mono is very far from making .NET cross platform. However, that doesn't make it any less valuable than it already is. :-) - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Portions Copyright (C) 2007 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
patial ownership by MS"
Erm, I'd assume they have used parts of Microsoft's code (As EricDWertz pointed out, the .NET Framework, probably..), and they are just giving credit where it's due..
- Ben - consonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does this version support vector text?
- mattmcm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, those six seconds I wasted to reply to you will haunt me forever.
- sideral, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The guy who posted this story is the friend of about 20 people. You are the friend of just 4 people. Spot the difference? This is democracy at its best!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Is there a Mac version?
- skizatch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, that too.
- AnotherBrian, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I just wish v3.0 worked with windows 2000. :(
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That makes no sense. In fact, it makes absolutely no sense because this is version 3.0. There have been a lot of previous versions of Paint.NET as well and this is replacing them. This isn't even a "new" program.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It gets a little weird when a Web site for a freeware image editor has TONS of Google AdSense ads that advertise competing products, urging you to go away...
- RedRummy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7@TheAkolyte
That's what makes you a complete *****! - Mandeep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3it takes less than a second for me on a warm start and about 3-5 seconds with a cold start on my dell laptop.
- cpbrown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2why the frig is he being dugg down? evidently the people who like defending paint.net havn't a clue about graphics software otherwise they'd see the problem.
- skizatch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Troll.
- MySchizoBuddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2even if someone gets it to compile under mono, it's going to look bad since it doesn't use cocoa widgets and will look like a linux app running on macs.
which does bring me to this. There is no software on macs that compares to PAINT.net.
hmmmm - mattmcm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You get a wider choice that way. Why complain?
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