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- DarkSenay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+99Original Digg Story: http://digg.com/hardware/Sun_Microsystems:_100_MORE_BITCHIN_THAN_DELL_..._
Original Sized Pic: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=419753022&size=o
And yes, its in paint, I made the pic at 2 AM cut me some slack - nahteecirp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+71Here's a hint: look at the company logo in the upper left corner. Then look at the ads that company has made. If you still can't make the connection, you fail.
- seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+67do you even listen to yourself when you talk?
- rzrshrp, on 10/12/2007, -8/+53Wow, are these ads real? Is their marketing team a chat room of 12 year olds?
- misteral, on 10/12/2007, -7/+45Does Dell pre-load Java or the Java plugin? If so, then this argument is moot.
- roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35soccer...he didnt make the images, he made the composite with the lines/arrows in paint.
"and lets not forget they actually flew planes over dell offices with these slogans on them."
yes, they are real.
And no, their marketing team is intelligent. Hang out on IT oriented sites (here or slashdot are good examples) ... IT nerds love the cheap-shot laden bitch fights... - goblindegook, on 10/12/2007, -4/+32While there may be some truth to that attitude you speak of, this is definitely *not* a "classic example" of anything except dumb marketing decisions. Those ads have got bugger all to do with the open source community, the only connection with OpenOffice.org is that it's based on the StarOffice source code Sun released back in 2000.
- godd4242, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27What the ***** just happened.
- dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25How ironic:
"Given how hot and slow our competitor's server are, it's no surprise their name rhymes with hell."
Meanwhile, their name is SUN. Named after a massive nuclear furnace that doesn't move. - falstaff, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28Sun and Dell compete in the server market, sometimes with low blows. OpenOffice.org is the open-source arm of Sun's StarOffice (does that still even exist?). Ergo, trying to get Dell to load the product of a fierce competitor is an uphill battle.
- redcard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Stop drinking the koolaid. Open Office is Sun's property. The website is Sun's. The bandwidth is Sun's. If Sun wished, they could make it difficult on OpenOffice.
Here's the WHOIS on the website
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Visit AboutUs.org for more information about OPENOFFICE.ORG AboutUs: OPENOFFICE.ORG
OpenOffice.ORG
Registrant: Make this info private
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
4150 Network Circle
Santa Clara, CA 95054
US
Domain Name: OPENOFFICE.ORG
Administrative Contact :
Master, Host **
hostmaster@sun.com
4150 Network Circle
Santa Clara, CA 95054
US
Phone: 303 272 7000
Fax: 650 336 6623
Technical Contact :
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
hostmaster@sun.com
4150 Network Circle
Santa Clara, CA 95054
US
Phone: 312 554 7961
Fax: 650 336 6623
Record expires on 18-Jul-2011
Record created on 14-Oct-2002
Database last updated on 01-Aug-2006
------------ - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22And i thought those ridiculous ads plastered all over the walls/magazines in idiocracy, the ones that say nothing about the products they advertise, were being far fetched. To keep up with the ever diminishing intellect of the human race, dell should respond with 'If it aint dell, then you must be a fag."
- nahteecirp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19@themarg
I would think the fact that OpenOffice is on a Sun product page (as that exact picture shows), would be evidence they are somehow related. - joeshlub, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21@technopundit
What the hell are you talking about? I run openoffice flawlessly on a number of personal machines and have had no difficulties whatsoever with anything i've attempted to do. Perhaps the features I've needed have all coincidently been working and there are some glaring flaws that i have yet to see, but certainly printing has been no problem whatsoever. - LegendarySock, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Money doesn't need to be spent anymore? Well, I'm gonna go steal a TV then.
- kingyubba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13any company will forgive and forget if there's a profit to be had....
look at Apple and Intel. - ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13This comment has more truth to it than the diggers are giving credit for...
Seriously, what difference does it make to Sun if you've got a free java plugin on your machine? None really. Same for OOo, they don't really have anything to gain by it. Its not really 'competition' when neither parties involved have much of a stake either way... - Chromain, on 10/12/2007, -25/+35The hell are you talking about?
>> "A classic example of the attitudes of the companies and people behind open source. Maybe once they grow up they'll realize that's not the way to do business"
Maybe once you grow up you'll realize that generalizations are silly. The majority of open source occurs through community/open-ended projects. There's no "attitude", and rarely any actual companies involved. Sure, sometimes they get elitist or silly - but this is not in any way an example of such.
You act as if the two teams involved are even slightly related besides the fact that they both reside under the same company. The ads were either from Sun's hardware division or some crazy advertising team they pulled in. Entirely different people than those involved with OpenOffice. - Hemingrubbish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9the ads obviously weren't made in paint, just the composite.
- msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Prints just fine, and exports directly to PDF without flaw.
- khalorei, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Regardless if people know that Sun and OpenOffice are related, Sun's hardware division is a seperate entity from anything remotely connected to OpenOffice.
- ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8i was kind of suprised by ' bitchin' " myself honestly...
- awhiteflame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Open Source != Public Domain.
They just license users to use their source code under the provisions of the LGPL. It's still Sun's property. - resplence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9He was referring to the screenshot, with the black arrows and the yellow box.
Paint does not have anti-aliasing in fonts and cannot handle transparencies, such as the 'DRAFT' text. - mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I hate Dell myself but thats a little too extreme. Im kind of surprised Sun would pull out something like that.
- m0nk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually, OpenOffice evolved from Star Office, and Sun didn't create Star Office, they purchased the company that did.
- HAKdragon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8wageslave, maybe you should have actually read the article you linked...
"OpenOffice.org is based on StarOffice, an office suite developed by StarDivision and acquired by Sun Microsystems in August 1999. The source code of the suite was released in July 2000 with the aim of reducing the dominant market share of Microsoft Office by providing a free, open and high-quality alternative. OpenOffice.org is free software, available under the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL)." - lintmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You have to read the whole ad:
BENCHMARK STUDIES PROVE THAT DELL SUCKS
about 63% more energy* than the new industry standard Sun x64 Server. - DnasTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Huh?
You are aware that Sun isn't exactly one of the "companies behind open source", aren't you?
Sure, they are very supportive of free software and open source software, but I wouldn't lump them in that category yet. Their flagship product, Java, until recently was closed, for one thing. (And at the time of those ads it still was.) Plus, StarOffice (the version that Sun actually retails) is closed source.
The ads are merely Sun's advertising department, not open source at all. Open source tends to be a bit less exaggerative and misleading than advertisements of companies like Sun and MS.
(Disclaimer: I am not trying to bad-mouth Sun or anything. The company is a nice one. I am trying to correct some misunderstanding by the parent) - misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11This may be a classic example of OSS fanboy attitude, but I don't think it's the general attitude of OSS developers and contributors.
- Technopundit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They'll never sell enough of these boxes to affect their profits. Not because the machines will be bad, but because it's not the nature of Linux users to buy pre-built systems.
What ever became of those Linux boxes Wal-Mart tried to sell a couple of years back? - kaervas59, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree.
Look Toshiba and Sony. Blu-ray, HD-DVD and cell processor. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4random comment of the week award goes to minitrollster
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6opps, misread HMaster's comment, i think you ment Star Office instead of open office
- khalorei, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6What was that Bill? I couldn't hear anything over your elitist *****.
- spearce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I almost always bury articles on Linux/Unix/Sun/Ubunta cause i just don't care and i find them annoying as only a small percentage of the universe even thinks about that stuff, but that add campaign i great. keep that stuff up. i love it when corporations grow some balls and market to people like me.
- juicebag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually, they won't bundle it with OpenOffice because they want people to buy Microsoft Office.
- cankillar, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Microsoft puts Java in Windows. Dell HAS to put Java on systems with Windows.
- r©ain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@tomarocco: what a way to completely miss the point.
I'd explain it agian, but somehow I think I'd be wasting my time.
Read the 2nd paragraph a few times more and maybe some sort of osmosis will set in and you'll get the point.
Ohh.. and here's a clue: the person you should be arguiing with here is the submitter, since they clearly think Dell is being purely emotional here and not at all acting in the way a corporation should. - Psych77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe you should learn the name of the company you are writing to. They haven't been Dell Computer Corp for years now.
- r©ain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You really think so?
Remember Dell is not a person. Dell is a corporation. Dell should not act with emotional interest but in pure business interest. So if the senior executives are making decisions based on emotion that defy good business sense, then they are hurting Dell.
I suspect however that the issue is much more complex than the submitter suggests.
Submitter seems to think corporations deal like 3 year olds in a sandbox fight.
Submitter doesn't seem to realize that Dell might be weighing the cost of supporting OpenOffice if they preinstrall it.
Maybe that is the REAL reason Dell probably wont pre-load OO.
From what I've heard, Dell support sucks (never used Dell), but it's support none the less and support costs money to provide. - ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@billg
Because grandma and joe sixpack don't reload a fresh OS on their 'dude you're gettin a dell' TV special. In fact, they dont even know that OOo exists, and therefore packaging it is going to negate the need to buy a license of MS Office for TONS of people out there.
Yes i know, lots of business users still need Outlook, Entourage, or Access. I'm not saying OOo can take the place of Office entirely. But I'm also saying that those users are going to get their copy of office (through IT, or by getting imaged, or whatever).
For grandma and joe sixpack though, this could be huge. Oh yeah, and about it being out of date out of the box... Who cares? The target market for this doesn't exactly run MS updates every tuesday. Wake up, man. - livejamie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2but boss this ad says this server is bitchin!
- JrGhoull, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2well there is some talk about putting open office on them. as for things like gaim...i could understand stuff that isnt 100% nessecary like gimp being put on there, but u can download yahoo, skype, aim, msn for free. i think things like gaim are more for people using linux who want to talk to their friends on yahoo, aim, skype, etc. all at the same time under one chat program.
- godd4242, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Was it entirely necessary to capitalize BIZ and HAUL?
And no, I strongly disagree that Apple makes pristine quality products.
iPods break after a few months and can be fixed only with difficulty, and OS X is a humongous ***** OS.
Like
***** Leviathan sized. - Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Please tell me you're not referencing "Waiting..." for this topic.
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Because win32 Gaim sucks. Yeah, it's usable. But there are so many flickers and pauses and stupid error handlings that the majority of people aren't going to want it.
- meteorash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Probably the "real" reason he's trying to point out is that Sun's brutal ads for its server hardware (not in anyway related to open office) would have left Dell in bad taste.
- mandarin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought McNealy is out already...
It does sound like him though. - SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh while I'm at it, I don't see any other full featured, modern OSs installing into a lot less than the 1.2GB my last OS X 10.4 install took up. Vista dwarfs it both in installed size and RAM requirements. Yes, I understand how Vista's resource management works (using available RAM for cache), but even that withstanding, and a clean install of both OSs, OS X will happily live in 768MB of RAM with room to spare, Vista chokes on less than a gig.
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