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- psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Frankly, I have mixed feelings about p2p. When I do it I know that I am stealing, I just don't care. I know that I am technically in the wrong and if I'm stupid enough to allow myself to get caught it's my own fault.
What bugs me are the naive people in p2p who feel as if they somehow have a right to the things they're downloading. As if they've earned it or that the world somehow owes it to them, and bitch whenever companies try to impede their path to pirated material as if the pirates are doing nothing wrong.
I have more respect for someone who's a crook and knows it than a crook who justifies his actions under a facade of righteousness and moral posturing. They are naive children.
Download whatever the hell you want, just drop the stupid excuses. - atbnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1P2P will never end. When one dies there will be plenty more to take it's place.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IRC
Usenet
Direct Connect
These have been around for years. Why don't they get shut down? Because of their difficulty in use; most n00bs don't even know they exist. - Elektra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FRAGaLOT: eDonkey2000 is the complete opposite of Gnutella, they're nothing alike, next to BitTorrent, eD2K was the only effective way to get large authentic files through their almost flawless hash scheme...Sam Yagan even made a new network called Overnet which is enabled (and ironically eD2K is disabled) by default, and Overnet is essentially a fixed eD2K...just clarifying...
- eschatonik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1**I hope they don't go after SoulSeek.**
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! - Ajzzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When the donkey fails you, cross breed with a stallion.
- Paul, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2P2P doesn’t care whether the lights are on or not, in fact many of us prefer that it be dark when we go ’bout illeagal activities.
Turn the lights off on P2P we’ll go quietly into the darkness. Just be prepared for that darkness to swallow you whole!!!
www.paulbillett.com - juandj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They cant shut down edonkey... lool... they would have to close 1000's of individual networks, most of them in russia hehe
- evil-doer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ajzzz "When the donkey fails you, cross breed with a stallion."
actually. mules are the product of a female horse and a male donkey.
or is there a client called eHinny? - zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why would you use limewire. didnt' you hear that they will start blocking all unsigned files. go with emule.
dont know how to get it.
run firefox
and type where you would normaly type a url "emule" without the quotes and without a .com it takes you to the right sites. It's open source and free. If you have ever paid for it or paided to download it you wer ripped off. - xenoNfluX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hope they don't go after SoulSeek.
- _Caboose_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I only use BitTorrent & Limewire, when necessary.
P2P will never die :) - TechPro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0cant someone just make a new one.
- cessax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yea, bad title on this one...its not going anywhere
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0does anyone care about edonkey when you can use emule?
all they did was kick a dead horse or ummm donkey, excuse me. - XorSystem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I almost enjoy it when a p2p type gets attacked, it allows the open source community to go into further development..... from Napster to Bittorrent, I can't wait to see the future of P2P
- zephyrsyndicate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0eMule, baby.
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> I think the bes way is give youre program free out (or even open source).
I do give it out for free. And it is open source. Not that I think that is an appropriate solution in all instances, it just happens to be how mine is distributed. (It's a web based application)
It's like shareware, I still assert my copyright on the software. If people want to unlock all the extra gravy, they send in a small registration fee ($20) and they get the whole thing.
Yet you can go to any of the "underground" piracy sites and when you see 5-20 people swarming it at any given point of the day, you have to think.. "Hey, some of those people might have actually bought it, right?". I have a family to feed just like anyone else. And as a result, I find myself disinterested in progressing the software further, when I can just as easiliy do consultation or contracted programming and bring in much better money.
Bandwidth is dirt cheap anyway. I don't need a torrent for a 7MB file. ;-)
Now it's not like I have anything against the term P2P, that's like saying I hate TCP, or I hate client/server applications. Protocols like BitTorrent and swarming technologies are wonderfully fantastic applications with numerous legitimate uses. But these jackasses who set up these P2P networks for the sole purpose of distributing other people's hard work, I have absolutely no sympathy for. Oh, sure, they try to legitimize themselves by offering movie trailers or music samples or some shareware or whatnot. Woop-de-do. - xsecretfiles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thank you all for clarify about Shareaza..I was a little worried
SHAREAZA rocks... - quasipalm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Matt2k,
Rather than bitching, you need to evolve. If you're writing small-time software for a living, you'll have to adjust your business model to something that can cope with a certain amount of piracy.
Plenty of small-time developers still make a good living. If they can, you can to. You're no better than the record companies if you just complain about technology without stepping up to the plate and showing that you can adapt to new technology. - fu_fish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"As you know, eBay recently acquired the P2P company Skype for more than two billion dollars," Yagan said. "Note that Skype was founded offshore; it would be a real tragedy and a blow to our economy should all technology entrepreneurs take their innovations offshore."
Good quote. There's been a lot of anti-innovation moves lately and I think we'll see this trend continue. The sad fact is though, there's always going to be people who try to take good technology and use it for bad purposes. That's too bad. - garlnnd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not exactly P2P but check out xdcc catcher, also haven't used in a while but Direct Connect is or at least used to be an excellent P2P app. No spyware or bs on either.
- metamike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is anybody scared? ahhahahaha
- TheRepublic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you guys should just ditch all of these apps and get Giganews,super fast downloads. Just get the unlimited package $25 a month. This is the best illegal "legal" way of downloading binaries, and yes it's been around since the 70's
- MarkJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emule/eMule0.46c_Installer.exe
- juandj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0And no, P2P future will never "darken"
- i3x171um, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I have more respect for someone who's a crook and knows it than a crook who justifies his actions under a facade of righteousness and moral posturing. They are naive children."
Very very very well said. - psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Turn the lights off on P2P we’ll go quietly into the darkness. Just be prepared for that darkness to swallow you whole!!!"
That's actually a very good line. I should use it sometime. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I doubt P2P will go away. I do think people who try have a business based on developing and distribution of a P2P application in the U.S will fail. Doing so is like painting bullseye on your back. The RIAA and MPAA have proven they are overly litigous and more than willing to use there size to force smaller companies they don't like out of business whether the company is in the right or not.
- DaviDK, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Edonkey has died, finally!
Thank you MPAA!
Thank you MPAA for killing proprietary software which overshadowed emule, lmule, xmule, amule, shareazaa etc. Now go download one of these (they're all open source, and American courts can't touch'em).
sweet - Drum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0No real darkening here; other peer to peer clients will evolve and take over.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There is this idea if you take away the profit then people will stop writing apps.
That's not the Idea.
Before P2P and back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth.
My dad did his file trading on floppies and these big tapes, bbs's and ftp sites, people even traded files over Ham Radio slow but files were small back then.
These day's we have News groups, Irc, FTP, P2P, DVD 9 gigs of files.
Trading spots, wifi spots where you can trade with your school mates and work mates music stuff off the Internet and out of site and mind. With new low cost HD's that can be hooked up via usb. I can snail mail files to low speed friends. Even the USPS cant destroy a modern 80 gig laptop drives.
Say drive manufactures!
This is great way to test your drives by the way. I use to put one of those drop shock detectors in the box with the drive they would always be broken but the drive kep on working.
It's not dark it's just getting interesting.
http://www.talklikeapirateday.com/ - MKrmec, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Companies that profit from illegal P2P programs will be closed that's for sure. The open source projects can't be stopped.
Shareaza + BitTorrent - BT-Wang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0shareaza violates many of the numerous protocols it uses to get you files, and each in many different ways. it abuses the networks to get slightly better performance. using a few of the smarter clients that I have and distributing files for a few days shareaza accounts for over 85% of automatic bans. the rest are mostly emule or edonkey users with erroneous settings.
- psyonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Overdramatizing the issue, aren't we? eDonkey is one program among many in the P2P scene. Even if it goes down in flames it will have only a minimal effect on the future of P2P as a whole.
At worst a few people will have to find another client to get their movies from/ - Pooavenger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lmao it's funny how people think that by shutting down one p2p site that everyone is scared and file-sharing will be shutdown FOREVER. I don't even use edonkey.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0why don't you do it?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0yes, self-righteous morons are annoying.
- neonide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0who cares, who actually used edonkey...
- bash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Shalabi: Yes they probably don't know they exist, but I've ran into problems before with them.
IRC: Has not been kind to me (I hate getting in line for queues and going back and forth to FTP sites, and being denied to all these sweet IRC channels).
Direct Connect: Too elitist. Denies you before you can prove that you can offer something.
Usenet: The one I want to try out, but I can't shell out (and I don't want to) $40 a month to get it (and my ISP's server is ***** when it comes this).
What I like about Bittorrent, eDonkey, Kazaa (lite), Limewire, etc. is that it's completely open; no bouncing back and forth between FTPs/channels, no denied entry to get the damn file, and no elitist attititude that you have to prove yourself. Guess what, I don't, and it's your loss, not mine. - iFindout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I hope someone soon rolls out eMonkey, eHumptie, eDumptie, eTc... just as soon as one gets shut down
- zenghost, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0whats funny about shutting down networks is that they can shut down one and then the amount of networks that surge from that one grow tenfold...its like those gremlins when you add water... :P
- .Steven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bittorrent going down.. yeah my ass!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0build a business based on developing and distribution of a P2P application = make money from piracy
- Matt2k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2As a small software developer, I have personally lost tens of thousands of dollars to software piracy. I work hard and develop a quality product. How about I stop by these guys house and help myself to some of the fortunes they've made off people like me. What? Oh that would make me a common bandit. I guess that's not cool and hip enough.
If these applications can't be bothered to monitor their own networks, then good riddance. They set out to make money off of pirating software, so ***** them anyway. - krisse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0(BitTorrent + Private FTP) > *
- chris86wm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0eDonkey sucks anyway. just use limewire instead or even better bittorrent
- KAMI_no_kodomo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@Matt2k: I can understand your problem. Only there are more possible selutions. And I tink 'stopping' P2P is inpossible. So it's not a selution.
I think the bes way is give youre program free out (or even open source). And distibute it by Bit Torrent. So you don't have big bandwitch costs. And than ask people 'I have to live to, if you like it please donate'. There are already manny things who do it like that an who can live from it. So I realy think it's the selution. - sparty1969, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Matt2K gives a swift blow to the eDonkey balls!!
Heeee Hawwwww GRRRR OUCH!!!! -
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