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- mousy, on 10/12/2007, -17/+74*****
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Absolutely. Opera has been delivering the goods for quite sometime. They really have some great programmers over there. They not only offer cutting-edge stuff, but they also make sure it's STABLE AS A ROCK.
When the Opera team say they're going to do something, they don't mess around! - adolfojp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27I love Opera. Nothing comes close. This new feature is amazing and I would love to see it implemented everywhere.
However... most compatibility problems that Opera has are with AJAX websites. I would have preferred to see Opera working on better AJAX compatibility.
Just my $.02 - Mathiasfr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24It works perfectly, congratulations Opera
- worbd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Remember, the point here isn't the chat. The chat thing is just a proof of concept. Although it does work nicely :)
- ColonelKilkenny, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Sounds quite nice.
Quick experiences also show that it also works quite nicely (which isn't a surprise)... - FaT32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Not only sound nice but also looks nice!
It's really works. - Phr00t, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Yay Opera!
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Finally!
To take advantage of this you need to have dedicated server though, because having hundreds of idling PHP processes might not be the best for your server :)
but anyway - that's the next big thing in AJAX world :) - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15That totally does not make any sense at all. What Opera really needs is for the firefox users to accept that Opera is a better browser and switch to it.
- wupperbayer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Nice one! I want this kind of chat in the forums still using either clunky java applets or html chats that reload entirely all five seconds... this is very much quicker.
- dcoolidge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Stunned silence?
- Devz0r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12They work just fine in my Opera
- Arve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9No reason at all to downvote goodthing. He is simply pointing out a real (and known) bug in the proof-of-concept application. A bug that we will find and fix.
Standard disclaimer: I work for Opera, but I speak only for myself here. - PKO17, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Opera has plenty of support from its community; we're just not retarded enough to go out and paint the logo on the sidewalk of our school or make a cropcircle.
All Firefox showed us is what a professional PR group can do. - Giever, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@bgoodknight
What makes Opera a better browser? Yes, I've tried it out and it is noticeably faster than Firefox, the abbreviation of which, is Fx, by the way. However, there are some extensions for Firefox that I use which Opera does not have a similar feature of. Or, I, at least, don't know about them. If an Opera user knows of some similar replacements of these extensions please let me know:
Left/Right Rocker Gestures for history back and forth. (From All-in-One Gestures)
Full Ad blocking, including text ads. (Adblock Plus, I know people may get mad at me for wanting to get rid of text ads, but whatever.)
Ability to get rid of blank spaces left from ad blocking. (Both Adblock Plus and Remove it Permanently. RIP gets rid of some that Adblock Plus doesn't.)
These are the main things keeping me from Opera, which, honestly, I would love to switch to besides these because of the speed difference. However, these just happen to be more important to me. All I'm saying is that whichever browser is "better" is a matter of opinion, and people who like Firefox better really don't have it "kill them inside." - Goosemaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Opera has always been very good....now they are great.
*realizes that he is posting this in FF*
I need to stop clicking FF:( - FaT32, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It would be very nice than. Without crossbrowser support it's almost nothing.
- padt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, "events" is the correct name. The server sends events with data payload. The client adds event listeners for those events. There is no explicit reading and parsing of the data in the client side javascript code, just event listeners.
For details, have look at the spec. It's on www.whatwg.org - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html
Sucks for FF users then. - spiffytech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It works for me, too, if I edit the site preferences and mask the browser as Mozilla. However, Gmail locks up on me if I'm in it for very long.
- icheyne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Gmail chat works fine for me in Opera
- Devz0r, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Yes.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Huh ?
Get your facts right. If gmail doesnt work, that because Google is blocking Opera.
I have it set as Mask as Mozilla and it works ever since v9.0 TP2.
And that includes Googlechat and that avatar thing. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I'll believe that Firefox will have it when I download it and it works. Lots of nice features have been promised and not delivered so far; nothing leads me to believe that FF2 will actually implement this.
- PaiTrakt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Normally, I would bury your comment (I'm a Opera lover, who could guess?), but you just made me laugh :p
- person, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4mine doesn't crash.... running 9.01 build 8552 on WinXP
- Arve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This bug is now fixed.
- worbd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Those sites are blocking Opera. Ajax works fine if you just allow it to use it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Argh, why does every topic with Opera,Firefox or Internet Explorer turn into "which one is the better browser" thing.
- CaptShmo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6i love opera
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"most browsers only opens up two http connections by default"
Wrong! The HTTP spec calls for User Agents not to open more than two connections _to one server_. i.e., you can have two connections to digg.com and two to yahoo.com and two to google.com, etc. etc.
At any rate, you're right about one thing: this isn't really a huge change. You could emulate a persistant connection before, and I worked for a company that *did*, back in 2001, using hidden iframes. The browser would initiate a request, but the server wouldn't return anything until it had data to 'push' -- it'd just let the request idle until there was data, or the request neared the timeout. In short, either the server issued data, and closed the connection, or a no-op, and closed the connection, and then the browser initiated a new request. The only real difference is, with this new opera functionality, you save lots of connection setup/tear down overhead.
But, long story short, people were doing "push" AJAX before they even started calling it AJAX. - tybris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"But, long story short, people were doing "push" AJAX before they even started calling it AJAX."
All the term AJAX changed is making the techniques apparent to uncreative programmers. - tybris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Non-HTTP applications are soooo scary.
- tooo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Opera is just better, first of all it was commercial for some time - this fact only makes it pro at design level. Second - gestures are working flawlessly here (only http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/ are more ingenious). It's fast, I mean reallly fast - eg javascript interpreter kicks every possible ass. Torrent support and email are just another functionalities, which you see only if you use them, so opera may be for dumb and dumber, like beloved here in the crowd FF. And ad blocker is perfect - click with right mouse button on the page, select "Block content..." option and kill your ads, then edit your kills to make selections broader using wildcards. And all FF fanboys here you should know - browser innovations were first in Opera, you just didn't knew it.
- gd007, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5cool!
- sonyx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Fantastic!
- Devz0r, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4When loading Google Calendar up, it clearly says that Google Calendar does not support the Browser, not that the browser does not support Calendar.
And here is the validation result as well - INVALID http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fcalendar%2Frender - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I expect webkit will not be far behind this - that is if it doesnt already work. I havent tried it with webkit but it doesnt work with Safari.
- justo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1nice, i hope other browsers adopt this, it'll match the adobe/macromedia flex and communication server functionality of persistent connections and event handling
- PaiTrakt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"But seriously. Opera should open-source the Presto! engine. Or at least sell licenses to use it."
I think they do sell licenses to it, but not at a very large scale though. Both Adobe Creative Suit 2 and Mac versions of Macromedia Dreamweaver MX uses it.
I agree with you though, Presto going open source would most likely be good for Opera. Presto is indeed better than other rendering engines on most areas. - PaiTrakt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1timdorr: Yeah, but someone has to implement it first, right? ;)
- LKBM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not with AJAX reuqests. Back in the day, Geocities (and others) used a frame-based chatroom that kept a continually-loading frame receiving the data as people spoke, but when you sent an XMLHttpRequest, you can't usually mess with the data until the connection is closed.
- Rits, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Giever: the rocker gestures are actually an Opera innovation, don't recall if it was Opera 4 or 5 who had them first... anyway, there are built in in Opera.
Opera 9 offers a 'Block content' feature that lets you do quite a lot of the things Adblock offers. No regexps and online sharing, but it does offer a simple graphical method for adding blocks, and the ability to edit these manually with wildcards. - LKBM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you can't handle the load, don't use the technology. It will result in a lot of open connections, but it will also eliminate hte overhead of creating a new request for each update, and avoids sending requests checking for updates when there aren't any.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2That is very much IRCs job.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I dont think Opera needs to go open source, and I dont want that.
I am not sure if making the engine Open source is a financially viable idea either.
However, they need to release a SDK, to allow geeks and coders to develop extensions. That is an absolute neccesity, and as long as Opera doesnt have that, it will have to be pleased with the 1%-2% market share. - emellaich, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Giever,
[Why is Opera better]
Well I use FF (Fx) and I prefer it, but I recommend Opera for some friends. The key depends on how much they like to tinker. I tell them that FF has more neat options with extensions (I have to admit I don't know enough about widgets to compare). The strength of Opera is that it has more built-in. Opera does some things out-of-the-box that take extensions in FF, and its a smaller download.
So I recommend FF if you like to tailor your browser, and Opera for a complete out-of-box solution. - nhprm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Ok, but cant Opera find a way to comply with the same standards as IE or FF, to emulate in such a way as to display Google Calendar?
- fredludd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I develop apps for Firefox and Opera: it's a bit painful to see one leap ahead of the other technologically.
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