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- minisu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37Opera does is not based on Apples webkit. Opera use their own rendering engine that was around long before Apples and KHTML.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+45Congrats. Opera really is one of the best browsers out there.
- Coopjust, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28I end up using Opera for regular browsing because it's insanely fast, FF for ecommerce, and IE for anything specific (pretty much just Windows Update nowadays).
Opera has been really working since they stopped the paid desktop version. - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Actually, Konqueror passed the Acid2 test a while back (they made quick turnaround integrating Safari's patches).
There was one other minor browser that passed as well - iCab. - tempusrob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Give it a try, it's a great browser. I'm a big Firefox proponent, but I definetly respect Opera.
- fudgebrown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19So Safari and Opera have passed the Acid2 test...right? Any other browser pass yet?
- senfo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Screen Shots IE 7 and the Acid 2 test:
http://images.google.com/images?hs=Jam&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=IE%207%20Acid2&btnG=Search&percentage_served=100&sa=N&tab=wi
http://chaostangent.com/uploads/images/ie7-acid2.png - Portfolioso, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Where have you been for the past months? Opera went free a long time ago.
- Tezkah, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20This is a joke, the reference rendering is a png version of what the test looks like. Of course, it fails hardcore on the actual test :)
- Owiber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15@sento: yes, the original comment was a joke... he says the "reference rendering" is correct in IE7. The "reference rendering" is a PNG of what the test looks like rendered correctly, so it should render correctly for anything that can properly display a PNG (pretty much any non-textbased browser).
- jay314, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13@tdyer
You are actually completely wrong. Acid2 tests that browsers comply with standards by using them both properly and improperly. Part of what Acid2 does is test that browsers can handle broken or poorly written code in the proper way. That is why the Acid2 pages don't validate. Can you name one of the "wishlist" items in the Acid2 code that is not in a spec? - JayRod, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I wonder if I should give Opera a try. I already have FF and IE don't know if it's too many browsers to have. I'm sure alll have their pluses and minuses
- psxman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16>_<
We have threaded comments now. Use them! - SpookyET, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I use Opera as my primary browser not because it is fast, but because for laptops, it's the best browser since no other browser has Opera's keyboard navigation.
- arcman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12You make it sound as if you have a constitutional right every page of source code for every piece of software written, otherwise your inherent freedoms are violated.
From a programmer's standpoint, it may make sense to stick with open source software as it does give you the freedom to mold available software to your own needs. This is a great privilege, but not a right. There are those software writers who wish to profit from their work, and laying down their source for all to see doesn't make that the easiest thing in the world to do. Also, there are those that believe in open source but not the restrictive GPL license, such as those that use the BSD license.
Not to mention such issues are completely transparent to the end user. The couldn't care less if the source was openly available or not, so long as their needs are suited. - SpectoriS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13the iCab beta has passed as well. So as of now, only that, Safari, Konqueror and Opera pass it.
Pity the two most popular browsers out there, IE and Firefox, fail it miserably.
It seems, so far, Acid2 is but a niche for less popular browsers to capitalize on their success in it. Dont get me wrong, I love opera, (it happens to be my main browser) but that doesnt mean it isnt still barely used when compared with IE/FF - worbd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Sure Opera has themes - lots of them. They can even be applied without restarting, unlike Firefox (unless that has been fixed by now). It's easy to customize too. And Opera has opera:config. And you can extend Opera in many different ways even though it doesn't have extensions:
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/01/opera-and-firefox-extensions
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/09/opera-and-firefox-extensions-ii - mwales, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11"So Safari and Opera have passed the Acid2 test...right? Any other browser pass yet?"
Konqueror passed soon after Safari. - jinexile, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15Firefox doesn't fail at it miserable, it looks a hell of a lot better than a lot of the browsers out there and is comparible with Opera 8.5 (the current official release.)
Passing the Acid2 is not the primary goal of Firefox as the Acid 2 is about emerging technologies and exposing flaws in rendering poorly written CSS, where Firefox is focusing on current standards and expectations of well written code.
That said, the rendering of Firefox 3's nightlies right now is looking a hella lot better than the offical release of Firefox too. - nicomen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10That's great. People should use products that support modern standards so that the web can move forwards, be accessible for everybody and take advantage of progress in technology and research.
In other words use almost any browser out there, except Microsot Internet Explorer and you are ready for the future ;) - MellerTime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Dude, 200+ tabs? That's a ***** of pr0n! I think the FF lag should be the least of your worries at this point...
- jay314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@tdyer
Again, you are wrong.
"Acid2 is a test page, written to help browser vendors ensure proper support for web standards in their products. "
"Acid2 is a test page for web browsers published by The Web Standards Project (WaSP). It has been written to help browser vendors make sure their products correctly support features that web designers would like to use. These features are part of existing standards but haven't been interoperably supported by major browsers."
http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/guide.html - rdeschain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah, philosophically I'm all about Open Source...but I also support a person's right to earn a living -- hell, even get rich, if the market will allow -- off of his/her hard work and creativity. Just do it in a way that doesn't screw the public who trusted you with their $$ or prevent someone else from getting their piece of the competitive pie, ala MS.
And after you are rich, if you want to share your code, that would be great ! ;) - acidzebra, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Too bad opera's javascript is kinda iffy and some high-profile sites don't render very well (technically thisis due to the sloppy coding on the site but most other browsers seem to find a way around it), so a switch for me is not likely.
I'll stick with Firefox; it makes a mess of the acid test but in the real world it performs well. - thundercleese, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10IE7 beta failed the test... try this test with IE7 and FF:
http://www.hixie.ch/tests/evil/acid/002/opera006.html
You should see the word PASS in both of the browsers. IE7 does not display the word PASS.
In addition, I have had the new comment section of digg.com crash IE7 several times. Mostly happens when I click the 'show comment' links. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I think I'm going to switch to Opera 9 when it becomes final. I already loved CTP 2. It's a lot faster and lighter than Firefox in my opinion. That's not to say Firefox isn't a great browser though. Firefox's ability to use extensions is awesome and second to none.
- GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Have a gander at Opera's themes. Graphically, they are consistently of a higher quality than any of the FF themes.
I use both Opera and FF. I like them for different reasons. They're both pushing the state of the art in web technology, unlike IE. - darkchild, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Konqueror on KDE 3.5.x certainly passes the acid2 test. I have just tried it and the image on the test site shows up fine.
- gookie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Well done OPERA. Now, Firefox, it's your turn. ;)
- Emperial, on 10/12/2007, -15/+20The more the better. Opera is way better than FF.
- pfunked, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12portfolioso,
Rocu means libre-free, Opera is gratis-free - whitehatlurker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5WARNING! The Opera version which passes the ACID2 test is a weekly snapshot. It is not a stable release. (Or even a beta or technical preview.) Don't switch to Opera 9 immediately.
There are a couple of unusual things about the ACID2 test. While it renders nicely, if the page is scrolled, parts of the "face" don't move with the rest. I'm not sure if this is "correct" behaviour or not. But it does look good in a static way. (And the nose changes colour correctly.)
You can get Opera 8.53 from the Opera website.
Yes, I am an Opera fanboi - it is my browser of choice and I rarely use the other half dozen or so browsers I have installed, other than to upgrade them or test a page. - boohiss, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13Opera > Firefox > IE
- judgeFire, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Many of you might know this, but the latest 'nightly' version of Apple's Webkit is available as a bundled, one icon Safari browser at http://webkit.opendarwin.org/
It's cool to see new CSS3 and other features as soon as they're added. :)
J - overmann, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's funny to read all these posts by "developers" (FF fanboys) who try to talk down the test just because "their browser" doesn't pass it. :)
Ease up guys! You should rejoice because another great browser makes progress, not take any chance you get to throw faeces at your friends.
Congratulations to the Opera team! I hope Firefox and IE follows soon. :) - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Konqueror doesn't pass it on my computer and I have the latest one I think (3.5.1 KDE).
Opera however is much better than Konq. Good to see that somebody cares about standards. - LouisC, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Well, technically, Opera works very closely with the W3C, WaSP, and other open standards groups. It's not surprising that they're one of the first browsers to pass the test. I mean, they contributed to it.
- LouisC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Firefox 3 isn't coming out anytime soon though. Opera 9's the next release, and it should be released within the next year (but I wouldn't take my word for it: I don't work for Opera). Who even knows if Mozilla'll get around to releasing Firefox 2 any time soon? Remember how many times Firefox 1 was delayed?
- ctheory, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Cheers to Opera and the crew @ Opera.
It's really a top notch browser, i've been impressed ever since I switched. - Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Opera doesn't use WebKit.
- senfo, on 10/12/2007, -14/+18This is totally 100% untrue. I've tried it on IE 7 and the face doesn't even come out as a circle.
- nicomen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6rocu:
I bet Opera would love to help other people out to pass the Acid test. The thing is they are probably very busy as it is working hard to earn the respect and money that they deserve. I'm sure every resource is spent on important things. Amongst them inventing new features and functionality that the other browsers can copy later. - Quarks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I agree with you.
Some people use the Acid2 test is a marketing/hyping tool.
I never really got used to Opera, but it's certainly the best mobile browser. - jay314, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@jczer68
I haven't played with adblocking extensively, so I don't know about regex support, but wildcards are definitely supported.
Hit Tools, Advanced, Blocked Content. Then enter in any URL you want, using * as a wildcard. - sergio, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'd agree that the order of the bars by default doesn't appeal to me, but that can be configured to meet your needs. Otherwise, the addition of rwd, ffwd, trash, sessions, and close on individual tabs is great, and something I would like to see implemented in Firefox without the need of an extension.
- marcode, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4firefox + extensions = memory leaks
opera is the future. - Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"some greasemonkey scripts I use"
Keep in mind that Opera has some Greasemonkey compatibility via "UserJS" scripts though. The Opera 9 betas additionally support XPath that many of those scripts use, for further improved compatibility.
Here's also a script that adds some GM compatiblity to aid:
http://userjs.org/scripts/browser/enhancements/aa-gm-functions
And here's the official info on UserJS in Opera:
http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/userjs/
(UserJS = "User Javascript", i.e. script code to override site behavior, filling the same niche as Greasemonkey) - superjoppe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Firefox is a really great browser but the OS X version is so damn slow.
The Opera version dont really look as a macintosh application (eg panel instead of drawer) but it runs really well. FF/Safari beachballs me with around 20 tabs while I run Opera with +200 tabs (pr0n) and I dont notice any slowdown. - dotwhynot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4lol, good one. too bad the mods digging you down didn't get the (subtle?) joke.
- rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Haha! iCab passed Acid2? That's astounding!
I always try to have my sites make it smile. -
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