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Opera Desktop Beta 2 (Kestrel) now available for download

opera.com — Opera today unveiled the second beta preview of the forthcoming Opera 9.5 desktop browser, code-named Kestrel. The new beta improves on security, speed and performance, while refining some of Opera ’s most popular features. For download, please visit http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/

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  • Tamils, on 04/25/2008, -68/+7You should have included Opera in title.
    • Skootles, on 04/25/2008, -2/+18.....
    • fusionFactor, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7Uh oh! Another illiterate. Lets take em out back and [fill in the blank!]
      • ianisyourmaster, on 04/25/2008, -5/+0Lets take em out back and have an opera singer f--- the s--- out of him while screaming Opera?
  • espenao, on 04/25/2008, -33/+5Yes, I've informed Digg about this, and hopefully it will be fixed soon.
    • mattcoxonline, on 04/25/2008, -14/+2Espen's non-threaded reply ftw!
      I love you Espen.
      • koick, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2It's literally his first comment. I know it's confusing, but he'll figure it out. Hang in there Espenao.
  • aleksod, on 04/25/2008, -18/+8Amazing!
  • mloras, on 04/25/2008, -20/+0:up: Espen , give my page back to me :(
  • lilmoder, on 04/25/2008, -47/+78Kestrel gonna kill fox.
    • ziple, on 04/25/2008, -7/+68Fox will survive :) But its nice that a new Opera is on its way.
    • thegreatanti, on 04/25/2008, -29/+12Quite the opposite. When Firefox 3 is released Opera will be blown away.
      • fkr3, on 04/25/2008, -11/+23Right..... years later Firefox hasn't blown anything but earlier versions of itself away.
      • TehMCP, on 04/25/2008, -2/+13Firefox 3 is the first release that's been faster than Opera. Since the beta is (theoretically) faster than the stable release, I expect that Kestrel will be faster than Firefox 3. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Especially the presence of ignorant assholes on digg.
        • saralk, on 04/25/2008, -11/+4That's a ridiculous comparison, Firefox 3 without any extensions is faster than Opera, but Opera has many more features than vanilla firefox.
        • Dipsett, on 04/26/2008, -1/+0To bad you need extensions to make firefox usefull.
    • coheedcollapse, on 04/25/2008, -23/+41Until opera is completely extensible, I'm not buying into it.

      Also, I have a perfectly capable system, and while the browser itself is fast and takes up little memory compared to alternatives, I always feel it lagging when loading pages. I have no idea why this is, it just feels slower (even though I know in multiple instances it's been proven to be faster or at least just as fast as competing browsers).

      Last, although it doesn't really affect my choice to stay with Firefox at all, I'm annoyed by the elitist tone that Opera users take. Like I'm stupid and uninformed for using Firefox. It can get old.
      • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -32/+5The tone is because Firefox has become IE6. People use it because they try one new browser, and they don't try anything else.

        It's like Ubuntu (Being Firefox) and Linux (Opera being a Distro).

        edit: I am obviously generalizing.
        • zongamin, on 04/25/2008, -5/+16shut up.
        • cyberoidx, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2Dude. I love opera. I could go fap fap fap while screaming Opera.

          But I really understand your "generalizing".
      • jp10558, on 04/25/2008, -1/+33I don't think most Opera users are Elitist any more than Firefox users are. Of course, the propogandizers are similar to Asa - out there to "spread the word". But most users I talk to just find Opera fits them more than Firefox does. I fully expect there are many users, likely more users, who will fit Firefox's model better.

        What I do find annoying though is the idea that Firefox is/should be the one true browser when there's good things to be said about Opera, Safari, Konqurer, Flock and hell, on Vista even IE7 (well, as much as you might ever say anything is good about that unholy combination).

        I think many savvy web users don't want another IE over Netscape victory where Firefox takes over - we want to be able to use the Web on the browser we want on the device we want.
        • coheedcollapse, on 04/25/2008, -1/+10I have Firefox, Flock, and IE7 on my Windows partition and Firefox and Konquerer on my Linux partition. All of them have their benefits, but I always go back to Firefox. While Firefox is most definitely NOT the only option, nor should it ever be, I still like it the best.

          I even have good things to say about the new IE. It's not the best, but its worlds upon worlds better than previous Internet explorers.
      • Shadow2531, on 04/25/2008, -7/+6I run Opera on a PII 350Mhz. It loads pages very fast in most instances and it's UI is very very responsive. But, there are indeed a few cases with loading certain pages. Hopefully, that will be improved. It has all the features I want though.

        Now, Safari with the latest webkit eats through pages quicker than ***** and quicker than anything else. But, it doesn't have many features, uses a lot of memory and has horrible scrolling performance.

        Firefox 3 is pretty good. Its UI is still pretty slow though and it doesn't really have any features. It has a few extensions that I like, but extensions being *so* dependent on the version of Firefox is getting really old. The Nightly tester tools extension (when it makes the extenion work) comes in handy, but that's far from acceptable. Having to restart to install an extension is horrible. Firefox really needs a good list of stable extensions that only use frozen functions and have no version limit.
        • zongamin, on 04/25/2008, -4/+1Or you could just wait for the final release.
      • svivian, on 04/25/2008, -7/+3http://files.myopera.com/Rijk/blog/extensions.html
        Opera can do pretty much anything Firefox can, except change the browser 'chrome'.
      • theblt, on 04/25/2008, -6/+4Is the word "elitist" a new ***** buzzword? Stop using it because you think you sound cool.
    • macmangb, on 04/25/2008, -35/+1Safari > Opera and Fox. Eats webkit for breakfast and it comes on with the greatest of OSs ;)
      • amadeusdemarzi, on 04/25/2008, -0/+16You know, I am a mac user, but I am embarrassed you are too :(
      • ByteGuerilla, on 04/25/2008, -0/+23Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that WebKit was the engine behind Safari.
        • insertAliasHere, on 04/25/2008, -0/+10You aren't wrong.
          fanboy + troll + uninformed = macmangb
    • OneLess, on 04/25/2008, -2/+11A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal!
    • GrantTLC, on 04/25/2008, -5/+2Thanks for that, Uncle Remus!
    • mcmlxxii, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2Opera on Gnome doesn't look quite right, and it'd be nice if it didn't crash every time there was a bit of Flash on the page. Looking forward to Epiphany with Webkit, Webkit blows everything away when it comes to JavaScript.
    • alfredomancho, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1I dunno about u guys, but most of the time I have both browsers open. I use Opera for general surfing since it's faster and the feel is more refined (mouse gestures on Opera kick the gesture extensions on FF), but I use FF for the sites (like Digg, Google) that don't work 100% properly on Opera.
      • novemberdobby, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2What? Yes they do.
        • dragoonadept, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Yeah, seriously? I have never had a problem on digg. I have used Opera in many flavors with Digg on 2 desktops and a laptop with normal performance. I'd like to know what you base this on. Also, Google? Come on! How could anything NOT work with Google?
      • fjc8, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1I've had problems with Opera & Digg where Opera would essentially use 100% of a CPU core. Either Digg or Opera 9.5 fixed it

        I also had an issue logging into Chase (major US bank's website) using Opera 9.2x - I could log in, but I always had to enter my details twice. Works fine in 9.5.
  • Morghin, on 04/25/2008, -8/+8Finally!
    • al11588, on 04/25/2008, -18/+1Epic Fail.
      • krisscofield, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Thank you G4 for making everyone on the interwebs think any failure on any scale is "epic". Facepalm.
        • dragoonadept, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1>Facepalm.
          Urdoinitwrong
          >Facepalm.jpg
  • ktswami, on 04/25/2008, -12/+65The address bar history search is amazingly useful...! FF add-on guys, start your copiers!
    • thegreatanti, on 04/25/2008, -30/+6Actually Firefox had it first. But Opera copied when they saw the full potential of it. Anyway, that sentiment we always here from Opera people. Calimero spirit.
      • fkr3, on 04/25/2008, -16/+24The only thing Firefox had first were memory leaks and stability issues. Opera devs were too stupid to figure out how to clone it though.
      • ktswami, on 04/25/2008, -8/+26I knew it wouldn't take long until we had to hear about FF "already got it, man!" horsesh--. First of all, if you're using FF, that's great, because IE is about making users vulnerable and stupid, and developers crazy because of IE-standard code.

        But, more importantly: No, FF didn't actually have it first. Reading is a precious gift. Opera v9.5 beta2 lets you search entire web pages in your cache from your address bar, not just the titles and URLs. Read it again, please...I'll wait.............................................so, please save everyone the inane comments. FF3 is cool, but it doesn't mean it's the leader in browser innovation, especially when FFoxtards think it still has ads or there's a new add-on tomorrow that mimics 25% of the new, useful feature that Opera just put out...
    • phoenixp3k, on 04/25/2008, -3/+49Well, Opera introduced this feature in it's very first builds of Kestrel, then I noticed that Firefox decided to add a similar feature in the Firefox 3 code. *Let the browser flame wars begin*
      • LouisC, on 04/25/2008, -1/+16It's a good feature, so Firefox implemented it too. Not really a big deal. I'm sure Firefox has some features that Opera implemented as well. All the browser makers share ideas, it's not considered "copying" or anything like that.

        That said, I use Opera.
  • noisewar, on 04/25/2008, -4/+12Excellent! Downloading now.
  • FaT32, on 04/25/2008, -3/+6Please fix "Digg not-logged-in header" until next beta. ;)
    See test here: http://rusrestaurant.com/tests/opera-bugs/opera95- ...
  • FaT32, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2The text on http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/ should be fixed -- Opera Link notes sync missing.
  • stutimandal, on 04/25/2008, -31/+18Firefox + Adblockplus = End of dancing-monkey flash-ad tyranny.

    Opera/IE/Safari cannot be the best browser till they make adblockplus.
  • tripitaka, on 04/25/2008, -6/+15awesome!
    @stutimandal
    I use host file for ad blocking on my windows xp system. Works perfectly fine for me. And there's a feature from Opera that allows you to rightclick, add to blocked content that you can give a try too.
  • thegreatanti, on 04/25/2008, -36/+4Who cares about that niche browser? Firefox FTW!
    • Needles13, on 04/25/2008, -1/+15I care.
    • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -1/+26This attitude is terribly ironic.

      Who needs an opensource browser, we have IE.
  • lazybat, on 04/25/2008, -7/+1Nice!! But ..... did anyone find this to be faster than Firefox 2?
    • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -2/+18yes? All the versions are.
    • jp10558, on 04/25/2008, -1/+9Well, seeing as I find O9.27 faster than FF 2.0.0.14 and Kestral is way faster than O9.27 ... yes?
    • ktswami, on 04/25/2008, -2/+10No, keep using FF2 because it's faster AND it's memory management is very low......oh, sorry, there was a teeny, tiny memory leak that FF3 fixes, but nothing that eats up all your RAM.

      Come on, what do you think Opera developers are doing ALL day?? They write their own libraries to make the Opera/Windows install size TINY, ~3.6M, I think. And super fast. The Mac and Linux versions are great, also! Opera Mini was cool on my phone too, but the screen was useless to do any useful browsing.

      If you're using FF that's great. But do you think it might be worth maybe TRYING Opera at least? For two days, to see how fast it may be or if it saves you a bunch of keystrokes and time, every day you need to be online? Go download it and check it out...!
      • acero47, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1I've tried Opera a couple times and I really wanted to like it (because I like things to be small and agile in my computers). It just felt slower than Firefox in both Windows and Linux. Maybe I screwed something up with my installations, but it just felt clunky. I'll probably try it again to see if it's as big an improvement over the last Opera as FF3 is to FF2.
      • succubuskiller, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4Exactly. I used to use FF all the time, then got ***** when I constantly had a couple of windows open and using 300mb of RAM... wtf? In Opera I could have 5 windows with 4-5 tabs each and only be at 100+/- MB of memory used, and it would still run fast.

        Opera owned at loading pages faster, smart features etc.. The only thing that kills me is that the extensions are not dockable into the toolbar.. or at least I have not tried hard enough. Though the new FF3b5 runs great and a lot faster w/no crazy memory leaks, though.. some websites comment pages still seem to lag like hell when loading... hmm wonder which one...

      • fjc8, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1I find that Opera looks more "native" on Windows, KDE, or OS X than Firefox does on any of those platforms.
  • thegreatanti, on 04/25/2008, -14/+2woot Opera has finally build-in anti-phishing enabled by default. Something what have been in ages in Firefox & IE7. Shame on you Opera for putting your users at risk! Guess you were too busy hacking in to the Acid3 test.
    • Ramzy, on 04/25/2008, -3/+10Do you seriously need your browser to inform you that the email you got from Lord Mugumbo, heir to the throne of Nigeria, who, for some reason, decided that it would be necessary to transfer millions of Nigerian dollars to your account due to civil unrest, is actually a lie?
    • jp10558, on 04/25/2008, -0/+8Opera's had anti-phishing since what, 9.10 or so?
      • down1nit, on 04/25/2008, -0/+0Yeah, it's been an option though. It does eat up a little bit more bandwidth when it queries the Opera servers for the new list. I seem to remember "people in nordic countries (and elsewhere) having to pay per MB for their net" or some other valid "we're trying not to hurt anyone" reason for not enabling it by default. For that reason anyway, Opera Mini is very popular in Europe.

        I think anti-phishing should be in the installer as an option, one that is already checkboxed. Though I haven't had a limit to my net access in years, I do remember how much it ***** me off when I downloaded something worthless.
    • ktswami, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2OK, reading comprehension is an important skill that is directly related to whether one's opinion is reality-based or not. The new Opera beta 2 includes support for Extended Validation certs for digitally-signed web site authentication. OK, stay with me, I'm going to use big words now....Opera in earlier releases enabled Fraud Protection related to blacklist servers on the back-end...so in this beta 2 release....stay with me....EV certificates support was added. Different and additive, and useful.

      Yes, I think IE7 had this earlier, but what's the use of cert authentication when your crappy browser can't just hit and have the added in the address bar without typing? I'm sure it's coming in IE20.
  • stutimandal, on 04/25/2008, -17/+9@ tripitaka

    Opera's right click feature is too dumbed down. You need to block 1000s of things manually. Adblockplus uses EasyLists.
  • whiteeagle131, on 04/25/2008, -0/+582 great things came out today:
    1) Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Herron (Final)
    2) Opera 9.5 Kestrel (Beta)

    P.S. See the guided tour to Kestrel: http://www.dailymotion.com/operasoftware/video/x56 ...
    • ataylor32, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6Dugg for the way the guy says "speed dial"
      • J0415, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2I hear Speedo.
        "It is really easy to add pages to your Speedo" lol
    • sagat, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4The Nordic nerd in the video is hysterical. I'm not sure if he intends to be but he is.
    • barktwiggs, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6It sounds like he's calling it the 'Oprah' web browser.
    • afx1, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3maybe he can find my Continuum Transfunctioner
  • kalel90, on 04/25/2008, -23/+12"Kestrel gonna kill fox." You make me laugh.
    • dragoonadept, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2I know what you mean! Opera has always killed failurefox and this just adds to the score.
  • trakie, on 04/25/2008, -3/+17wheres the 64 bit version? i guess those of use on 64bit machines are doomed to use 32 bit programs forever
    • MScrip, on 04/25/2008, -3/+8You need a browser to access over 4GB of ram? :)
      • mrraven200, on 04/26/2008, -0/+3With Firefox yes, now laugh damnit!
    • uziko, on 04/25/2008, -5/+3I know, these programmers are so behind, most program releases don't come with a 64 bit and 32 bit release, and they also don't come with support for all 3 operating systems. I have nothing against linux or osx, it's just that since no one releases anything for them they are both useless which makes them suck.

      Another example of bad programming. When video games don't come with a option to run the game in a window. World of warcraft is the only game I know of that does this. It ***** me off. Why the ***** would I want to run a game in full screen and make me wait 3-5 seconds every time I want to do something else. These programmers don't get any common sense training in their schools.
      • Fibula, on 04/25/2008, -5/+0Wait, what? Linux and OS X both have equivalents to every Windows app aside from the numerous games. You can say 'durr hurr you don't have (insert obscure app here)', but we have something that's almost entirely the same except with a different name and possibly even better.

        Also, most games I've played do feature an option to play it in a window. I can't stand playing a game in a window, but I can understand some people needing it. Not bad programming--laziness.
      • LouisC, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1You can run WoW in a window, I do it all the time. And Opera is released on Linux, Mac, and Windows simultaneously. Hell, they even have Solaris and FreeBSD versions.

        The 64-bit version is just pretty experimental. It's available on mirrors, though. At least it is for Linux.
      • Dukaso, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1His mouth is moving but does he actually understand what he's talking about?
        I think not.
    • TrekkieDude, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Hi It is available from the mirrors e.g http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/opera/linux/950 ... Interestingly I couldn't find a link on Opera's website. So hopefully you will be able to find a link closer to home.
  • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -1/+17Holy *****! The "Opera Link" feature looks amazing, I've never seen it before.
    • neftaly, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Opera Link is awesome, especially if you switch between both a laptop and a desktop.
      • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Which is great because this is exactly what I do. :)
    • LouisC, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Great for Opera Mini users too.

      Google has a similar addon for Firefox, called Google Browser Sync. Doesn't work with Opera or Opera mini, though. Just Firefox on multiple computers.
  • synystar, on 04/25/2008, -11/+2wierd thing here.. I just downloaded this beta and installed. When I click the link to this article in Opera I get a new tab with a loan offer. When I click any link in the UPCOMING section...I get redirected to a loan offer. I opened firefox....no problem. IE....no problem. WTF? Is this happening to anyone else? Obviously I have malware of some sort but only in Opera Beta?
    • synystar, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1well nevermind....I can't reproduce it now after closing and re-opening. Must be all the crack. Disregard above comment. Even though I swear it happened the first time I ran it.
    • Rsearle, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1No i have noticed this when running 9.50 Beta on a Mac, its to do with the top 10 section loading last under the adds. But I'm generally using Opera with custom styles now, so I don't notice it any more.
  • Awspire, on 04/25/2008, -10/+10Opera is a nice browser, and fast, though I never cared for those widgets. Personally, I think the widget implementation was a bad move on their part.

    Firefox is my browser of choice these days. Customization and powerful extensions, plus support from Google toolbar and Stumbleupon make FF the best available. Though the friggin memory leaks in FF2 drive me insane. Cant wait for FF3 final, and most my fav extensions are ported.

    IE7 is a decent browser, and installing the IE7 Pro addon is like adding 90% of the best FF extensions packed into one easily installed, configurable, and updateable package.
    • Krpano, on 04/25/2008, -3/+17Man, you dont like widgets, dont use it.
      Thats not an excuse to skip Opera.
    • tripitaka, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5Don't like widget either. Don't like built in torrent. Skipped using those features entirely. And Opera is still way faster than the competition with these "bloats".
    • zongamin, on 04/25/2008, -5/+2Oh *****. I just accidentally dugg up some idiot who uses random percentages to make a point. *****.
    • whiteeagle131, on 04/25/2008, -4/+2I hate people which post stupid comments like this before searching the web: operastumbler.com and there you have stumbleupon for Opera..
      • theblt, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3I hate people that assume you must search for every possible combination of things before you post and make a simple mistake. Nicely correcting him would have done the trick.
    • svivian, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1Yeah the widgets would have been much better if they were closer to FF extensions, eg they could interact with the page you're currenly viewing or change the 'chrome' of the browser.
      • Izzie, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1and by doing so risk ruining the security and performances and causing compatibility issues? no way.
        BTW there is a way provided with opera to interact with the page and a powerful one nonetheless: http://userjs.org/
    • xErath, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3I'm sick of of people praising the bloated slow, sucky, unsecure, non-standards compliant, ugly, feature slim IE.
    • koick, on 04/25/2008, -2/+1FF3.0b5 is very stable, and most major add-ons have compat for it. You can always run it in paralel with version 2 and use the '-ProfileManager' startup option for both of them to separate out the profiles so you don't fubar everything you're comfy with on ver 2.
      http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html
  • SnedSneeden, on 04/25/2008, -15/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
    • 180andback, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Are you ***** serious?
      • insertAliasHere, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Honestly, this has to be the ***** laziest attempt I've ever seen.
  • anotheraddict, on 04/25/2008, -0/+9Don't know if this is just for me, but Opera finally loads flash correctly for me (Ubuntu 8.04 user), I've been wanting to try this browser out for a long time, and with this release I will apparently be given my chance. I don't honestly know if its because I upgraded to 8.04 today, or if it was the new version of Opera but in any event, I'm happy I can try this browser out now!
    • whiteeagle131, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Its because Opera now uses GTK+ for plugins, which it didn't use in pre-Kestrel versions.
    • Izzie, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1AFAIK adobe doesn't provide any flash plugin for opera linux, opera uses the mozilla flash plugin and it was broken under linux with opera 9.2 for some reason.
  • uziko, on 04/25/2008, -8/+2Omg, this ***** me off so bad, when i put my mouse all the way to left of the screen and scroll up and down it doesn't let me, i would use opera exclusively if it weren't for this abomination of a mess up.
    • jordyhoyt, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Do you realize that that's because the left side of the Opera window is a button for bookmarks, widgets, transfers, history, etc? It's a feature, you can easily turn it off by going to Tools->Appearance...->Panels and then unchecking the box that says, "Show panel at edge of the window". Why do you need to scroll with the mouse all the way over there anyway?
      • uziko, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2I am aware, unfortunately it still doesn't let you scroll up and down, disabling it just makes it invisible. Thanks, but i'm not as stupid as I sound.
        • fkr3, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5No no, you just might be. Of all the pixels on your screen why are you heart set on using that very thin strip to do your scrolling?
        • jordyhoyt, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Huh, are you running the 9.50 beta 2? Cause disabling it "fixed" that for me. I never said anything about how stupid you are or sound, sorry but it just makes absolutely no sense as to why you'd need to be able to scroll with the mouse there.
        • uziko, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1hey pals, because i want to and opera sux that's why, idiots
  • ohnnyj, on 04/25/2008, -0/+16They need a Firebug equivalent.
  • kiwimonk, on 04/25/2008, -5/+11I was gonna download it, but their site worked so well in my current browser. why bother? maybe they should have their site skank out when you visit with competitors browsers.
    • uziko, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1epic win
    • tripitaka, on 04/25/2008, -6/+1And the site appears so *****, you can't find the link to download the browser software. Catch 22.
      • Dubbsacc, on 04/25/2008, -1/+5Yea, I know that huge green "Free Download" button on their front page is so hard to see. A little ways down and what do you see? "New Beta Out" is right on the front page too. Man what a ***** site, I can't find a thing.
        • tripitaka, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Dude, I was replying to kiwimonk, illustrating how stupid it is to have a browser homepage that cannot be rendered properly in a competitors' browser in order to convince them to switch. How on earth are people suppose to switch when they can't even view the page properly to download the software.
    • whiteeagle131, on 04/25/2008, -3/+4And you know why is that? Because Opera Software ASA strongly keeps to the W3C guidelines.
    • dragoonadept, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Sorry, Opera devs don't think like failurefox users. We won't segregate you just because you use proven inferior browsing software.
  • al11588, on 04/25/2008, -23/+3Firefox>Safari>Netscape>IE>Goat Milk aka Opera.

    Firefox-FTW
    • uziko, on 04/25/2008, -8/+3windows>osx>virgin operating system aka Linux

      oh yea and what you said too
    • Maver1c, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3Wow, this is the first firefox fanboy idiot i've seen in this thread. I'm really proud of you today Digg, since mose of you are Firefox users, right? Glad to see that you are more open-minded than I thought. That being said.....

      Opera-FTW!!!11
      • down1nit, on 04/25/2008, -0/+0Don't say "FTW" please, you make Opera users look bad. Your comment is quite true though... seems like there's more and more converts every day!
        • dragoonadept, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1There is nothing wrong with someone proudly declaring internet superiority by using a commonplace slang. FTW is mearly his way of saying "Look, I'm using Opera!" Which, in my opinion, is great. Good for you, sir. Good for you.
          Also, Opera FTW!
  • shawn1122, on 04/25/2008, -3/+12Opera has always rendered pages faster for me than any of the other browsers. To me that is a big deal because I am on a pretty slow pentium 3 computer, so I'm trying to juice as much out of it as I can get. I will admit the extensions in Firefox have tempted me many times, and many times I've considered switching, but in the end the speed of the page loading is what matters most to me personally, so Opera is the browser I roll with. Sometimes I wish there was a way to have Opera and Firefox together as one browser...
  • VacaN, on 04/25/2008, -16/+7Can I download the source code for Opera? Oh wait no I can't.

    Firefox + OSS ftw.
    • rabidhominid, on 04/25/2008, -4/+4Source code is only useful to people who know how to write code. Most people don't so the Open Source vs proprietary argument is irrelevant for them.
      • Fibula, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2And even then, very few of those people would ever need it.

        Unless you like to compile it yourself for fun.
      • melat0nin, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2Nevertheless it still says something about the developers of the app and the direction it is (or might be) going in.
      • BlackAdderIII, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1What a stupid comment.

        If you use software that exists because it's open source, that's you benefiting from open source.

        Do you have to be a programmer to use the software and the contributed features and bug fixes? No.
    • svivian, on 04/25/2008, -1/+13Like you've ever done anything with the Firefox source code...
  • Krpano, on 04/25/2008, -8/+30Can Opera get better than it already is ?
    Imo, its the best/most useful piece of software for Windows.
  • lazyleo, on 04/25/2008, -2/+14I use Opera as a proxy browser, and this latest beta is the fastest till date. Kudos to the Opera team the cache issue seems distant now.
  • ethana2, on 04/25/2008, -12/+8As much as I like webkit, firefox 3 outperforms it. Opera? Well, it's nice to have a proprietary thing out there that adheres to standards, you know, and sics the EU on microsoft... but I tried it once, and, for me, it sucked. Plus, I love the FF3 Awesome Bar. Just type what you want, if it knows it has it, it takes you there, if not, it shows you search results. It's... awesome. I may have to try opera again sometime-- software changes fast.
    • youpidou, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1If you like the Awesome Bar in FF3 you should definitely try Opera 9.5 Beta which does almost the same, only better: It shows pages you have visited that contain the words you type into the address bar (not just in their title, but on the entire page).
    • ktswami, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1When did you try out Opera last anyway? Like youpidou said, Opera v9.5 beta 2 will blow you away, because of the address bar history search: URL, title, time/date stamp & indexed search of every web page in your history...! Very cool.
  • Lazdude, on 04/25/2008, -0/+5I've been trying out the 1st beta for a few weeks now and I'm very impressed with Opera's improvements. Hopefully this release will eliminate most existing bugs and make it more practical to use as a default browser.
  • myshl0ng, on 04/25/2008, -9/+25Once you go Opera, you don`t wanna go back.
    • zongamin, on 04/25/2008, -9/+4I went back to safari
      • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -10/+5dont care macfag
        • yugiohdan6, on 04/25/2008, -3/+1safari is on windows too...
          • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2if he's using safari then he is an idiot, not a macfag.
    • HydrogenOxide, on 04/25/2008, -7/+3I dl/installed it, amazed at the speeds it gave me on my ***** laptop, went to digg, found "FIREFOX 3 BETA 5 (RELEASE CANDIDATE 1)"

      and I haven't used it since
    • sagat, on 04/25/2008, -1/+8After using Opera for quite some time I have difficulty when put in front of a different browser. the mouse gestures have become such a natural part of my browsing habit that I find it frustrating not to have them.
  • JonnyBlazexx, on 04/25/2008, -3/+5I wish that firefox had (at least I can't find it) an implementation of the create your own search feature, that opera has. I love instinctively typing in the browser line "w Rick Astley" and it loading up the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Astley. I also have other searches a (for amazon) e (ebay) d (dictionary.com) I realize that there is a search bar... but why would i want to use my mouse and pick which search I want to use, when I could have already been done typing the one letter and my search in the browser bar?

    I am really on the fence. I've been a long time user of Opera, and have always loved it. I love the mouse gestures etc. I don't appreciate some site inconsistencies, in regards to some websites have limited functionality versus IE7 or FF. I have also used firefox pretty extensively, its always been a secondary browser (and the only browser I use when under linux OS [~10% of my computing time]).

    • dolske, on 04/25/2008, -2/+4Firefox has supported keyword searches for a long time... see:
      http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Smart+keywords
      http://lifehacker.com/software/bookmarks/hack-atta ...
    • svivian, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Firefox has it, but it's nowhere near as easy to set up as Opera. You need to make a bookmark with %s in the URL and assign a keyword to it. When you search, %s will be replaced with the search query.
      • acero47, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1That sounds like it takes about 30 seconds (and does from my experience with it). Where's the "nowhere near as easy"?
        • Izzie, on 04/25/2008, -3/+4seems you d'ont know the opera way:
          1) go to the webpage featuring the serach engine you want to add
          2) right click the searchbox and select "create search"
          3) choose a key to use to summon this particular search engine, and click Ok
          4) you're done

          oh and you're not forced to add a bookmark to the site as firefox forces you to
          • acero47, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Another way to do it in Firefox:
            1) Go to the webpage featuring the search engine you want to add
            2) Right click the searchbox and select "Add a keyword for this search..."
            3) Put in a name for the keyword and the keyword itself
            4) you're done

            Only difference is it's a bookmark (which doesn't actually show up in your bookmarks menu or toolbar if you don't want it to), which is beside the point anyway.

            Again, where's the "nowhere as easy"?
    • Maver1c, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4I'm in the same boat as you. I use Opera 95% of the time, but with this release that might change to 100%.

      I can't live without those mouse gestures.
  • simd, on 04/25/2008, -9/+7Does Opera work with GMail / Google Docs yet?
    • Makaveli604, on 04/25/2008, -2/+5Yes, it works with both as it always has (I used the former extensively, and have played around with the latter)
    • Jarasmen, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3It didn't? Never had problems...
    • rockefeller2, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Gmail crashes on my home computer, but works on my work computer.
      ???????
    • xErath, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3Why don't you ask Google about that ?
    • Izzie, on 04/25/2008, -3/+1you got it wrong, if gmail/gdocs were broken with opera it would be "do gmail / google docs work with opera yet ?".
      and to answer your wuestion: yes, and AFAIK they've always worked.
  • SciFctn, on 04/25/2008, -0/+21most bodacious opera feature:

    right click in search bars -> Paste and Go

    paste and go shreds.
    • GrantTLC, on 04/25/2008, -1/+4It's such a tiny little improvement, and yet all other browsers look like prehistoric relics for not following suit. It really irks me when I paste a link into FF or IE and they just sit there moronically waiting for me to hit ENTER...
      • Dubbsacc, on 04/25/2008, -3/+4I know an application waiting for you to execute a command, it's madness...
    • sagat, on 04/25/2008, -1/+6It is funny how something so simple can be so bloody handy.
    • Maver1c, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1rock on.
    • Moiax, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Anytime I tell anyone how much I love that feature, they all look at me and go so? But until you use it and try and go back, you really don't know the difference it makes.
    • TenebrousX, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Really annoyed me how they changed it in 9.5 to ctrl+*****+v
      • ktswami, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1Switch your keyboard setup back to v9.2-compatible, and it goes back to the ctrl+b shortcut. (Prefs->Adv->Shortcuts.) :)
  • gilbertagab, on 04/25/2008, -5/+3Safari: 75/100 on the acid3 test
    Opera:78/100 on the acid3 test
    • gaucho4, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7Apparently the latest WebKit nightlies did 100/100. Should be coming back to Safari soon.
    • Daniel15, on 04/25/2008, -6/+8I think the latest Opera weekly build gets 100/100 on it :)
      • Forma, on 04/25/2008, -1/+7No, but there is an experimental build of Opera that does
      • barktwiggs, on 04/26/2008, -0/+1The internal reference build is WinGOGI (Generic Opera Graphical Interface). You can download it at http://labs.opera.com/downloads/ . The 100/100 Acid3 compliant build will probably make it into Opera 10 (whenever that is released).
  • paulsmith288, on 04/25/2008, -2/+2Anyone been able to download Linux PPC version? I keep downloading a 0 byte file from different servers :(
  • NecroDigg, on 04/25/2008, -11/+20Firefox is the new IE. It's marketed as "the most fast an secure browser", and it's funny how many fools buy into it.
    Opera invents the features, Firefox steals them.
    Opera 4 lyfe.
    • Maver1c, on 04/25/2008, -2/+6Digging you up because you speak the truth.
  • thegreatanti, on 04/25/2008, -17/+2This whole thread is hijacked by the autistic userbase of Opera.
    • xErath, on 04/25/2008, -1/+3This whole thread is hijacked by the autistic userbase of PhireFox (ftw'ers)
  • alexkball, on 04/25/2008, -3/+7Using it now...so far so amazing!
  • Jarasmen, on 04/25/2008, -5/+8Holy *****, it's fast. I can feel the actual speed increase after the update from 9.25, and even then I considered it the fastest. Friggin awesome!
  • kitsua, on 04/25/2008, -5/+3My first third-party browser - I still have a soft spot for Opera. Introduced me to tabbed browsing too, probably the biggest change to my web habits.

    However, the Private Browsing feature in Safari is a huge feature to me and I just like the uncluttered, simple interface of Mac's browser. I've never felt the need to delve into widgets or extensions or browser customization beyond an organized bookmarks architecture, so FF and Opera are now never used on my system, it's just far easier to stick with Safari.

    The thing I miss the most from Opera is the ability to save a window with multiple tabs open on multiple pages as a session and automatically load that session when opening the browser. Some of the new features in Kestrel seem interesting too. Maybe I'll take another look at Opera once it's officially released...
    • Amezis, on 04/25/2008, -0/+0"File > Sessions > Save this session..."
      If you want the session to open every time you use Opera, you check the only checkbox in the window which has the label "Show these tabs and windows every time I start Opera". And obviously, this feature saves all the open tabs.
  • betasp, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2They seemed to have fixed the smooth scrolling in OSX.
  • rockefeller2, on 04/25/2008, -1/+10I love Opera's mouse gestures. Firefox tried to copy, but failed. But why do I have to click "Back" like 5 times before it actually goes back while on Digg?
    • helghe, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2I'd like to know as well. My primary annoyance with Opera.
      • amosclan, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Use content blocker to add http://ads1.msn.com/* to Opera's content blocker. MSN keeps refreshing the page.
        Right click on page, select Block Content, click on the Details button near the top left, click Add in the windows that pops up, and put in the above url.
    • xErath, on 04/25/2008, -0/+7Digg has many iframes with scripts writing stuff into them due to ads, which stack in the history.
      • blindwisdom, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2This is the correct answer. Don't believe anyone else's lies.
    • Izzie, on 04/25/2008, -0/+5this is web 2.0 ! breaking the usual web ...
    • sngx1275, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1I've had that problem before. I think if you don't digg up or down anyone hitting back works the first time.

      Interestingly enough I'm using 9.27 now in XP and even if I digg comments I can still go back on the first try.

      Although for some reason sites like Lifehacker and Gizmodo don't load properly on this (9.27 XP), but they do on 9.24 on my Vista machine and the older 9.5 on my OS X machine...
    • StingingNettle, on 04/25/2008, -1/+1I believe its a Ajax thing with the gestures on digg. That's way I just hit 'z' for back while I'm on digg. Its faster than the gesture. Hope that helps!
  • HydrogenOxide, on 04/25/2008, -10/+4Opera Fanboys are worse than 360 Fanboys
    • GrantTLC, on 04/25/2008, -0/+6No, Fanboys of any denomination are as equally annoying as each other.
    • xErath, on 04/25/2008, -5/+1Wow, you grew pubic hair just of writing that comment right ?
  • baconz, on 04/25/2008, -3/+2What does "Desktop" mean in Opera Desktop Beta 2? Isn't Opera just another browser? Or has it gotten it's tentacles into personal folders like Google Desktop?
    • farboo, on 04/25/2008, -0/+7Opera is big in the mobile market; they make browsers for cell phones and other portable devices. So this identifies it as the browser for desktop OSs.
    • theexitwound, on 04/25/2008, -0/+4Opera has a huge mini-browser market on phones, mostly in Europe.
    • Maver1c, on 04/25/2008, -1/+2Don't forget the wii, also. Not like anyone uses it.
    • Amezis, on 04/25/2008, -0/+2Because "Opera desktop" is for your desktop, "Opera for Wii" is for your Wii, "Opera mini" is for your phone. In other words, "desktop" means that it's the version of Opera which can be used on your computer (unlike Opera for Wii and Opera Mini).
    • Izzie, on 04/25/2008, -0/+3because there's also opera mini, opera mobile and opera devices (for wii)
    • dragoonadept, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1Hivemind.
    • ktswami, on 04/26/2008, -0/+2If you don't have an iPhone for browsing, you gotta try Opera Mini on your phone. ;)
      http://www.operamini.com/
    • Zounas, on 05/03/2008, -0/+0Also Opera has email client and IRC chat so you could call it as a web suite. The most single used software on my computer.
  • HeavyMetaler, on 04/25/2008, -8/+2Am I the only one that first read this as Obama Desktop Beta 2? With all of the political stuff on digg, it had me going. No offense to obama but.... I was like "For ***** sake now he gets his own Linux desktop!!"
    • fishie, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1you been smoking weed again?
    • GrantTLC, on 04/25/2008, -0/+1The remedy to this is to try going outside once in a while. Y'know, UNPLUG.
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