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- corevette, on 02/20/2008, -9/+137honestly stop the opera vs. firefox arguments
both of them are great browsers....
save your breath for IE users - meruru, on 02/20/2008, -23/+127I love Opera and use it as my default browser, but they need to quit whining about IE. It just makes Opera look bad.
- bryano, on 02/20/2008, -55/+89Use Opera, its faster and less of a hog than Firefox. No comparison to IE necessary
- someguyouknow, on 02/20/2008, -9/+35The linux version still needs a lot of work though. Especially the plugins.
Solid for windows though. - Atomic1fire, on 02/21/2008, -1/+26Opera is More upfront with features and speed (the value meal browser )
Firefox is intended to not have everything upfront but is customizable down to the source (The have it your own way Browser) - atdigg, on 02/20/2008, -10/+34Then don't use them, Opera is faster and smaller download than Firefox even if it has all those by default.
- JigoroKano, on 02/20/2008, -7/+30When it gets an auto-updating regexp adblock filter, then I will give it another spin.
- strictnein, on 02/20/2008, -1/+24Javascript, HTML and PHP are already easy to use.
- Ramble, on 02/20/2008, -1/+20That's an awful idea. Langauges are tuned for different things. HTML is to put content across, and that is it. PHP is for server side applications and is tuned for specific work, just like Perl.
- KaivenTor, on 02/20/2008, -13/+32So, Microsoft's IE counts as a monopoly because it's there? Or because it's there because the person bought Windows? Correct me if I'm worng, but don't monopolies give you no options instead of "Any other options you can think of, read, or get working?"
Maybe it's just me. Then again, Opera's CEO has a history of trying to throw punches into anything not Opera, so my conclusion is that is more of a publicity stunt than anything else. Broken market. Lol. That's a good one. - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -5/+23Yes, Firefox 3.0 beta 4 is one kick ass build. It does use less RAM, and then still looks much better than previous versions (Though i can imagine it will be a while until there are any cool themes for it.)
- FredFredrickson, on 02/20/2008, -3/+20This sounds a lot like when RealNetworks cried about Microsoft monopolizing media players by including one with their OS... though RealPlayer was a much bigger piece of ***** than Opera will ever be.
- inactive, on 02/21/2008, -4/+21so what is IE7? here's some e-coli, thanks for stopping at jackinthebox?
- Ramble, on 02/20/2008, -6/+22Yes, and the Opera beta is faster than that.
- rieuwa, on 02/20/2008, -2/+15Interesting how a comment thread develops depending on which sub-category it starts in. Had this story started in "Microsoft", I'm sure the comments would be rather different...
- tgc1, on 02/20/2008, -0/+13Most people use what came with the computer. And neither know about or care about other browsers. Most people I know don't even know what the hell a browser is, let alone aware that they use one regularly. I tell them about another browser and they look at me like i'm speaking in another language.
- BlueSkyfish, on 02/21/2008, -1/+13Standards compliant mode? WTF, if it has the ability to render properly, make it default. I'm starting to think Microsoft just hates webmasters.
- Bamborzled, on 02/21/2008, -3/+15Why bury his comment? I'm going to assume it was buried for even suggesting that even one of the custom themes for Firefox look good, and not because of overzealous Opera fans who blindly bury any Firefox supporters. Because, you know, we here at Digg don't roll like that.
- chris9902, on 02/20/2008, -6/+18I agree that standards mode should be the default in IE8 and developers not wanting to change should be made to add the meta tag.
The rest just sounds like them being whiny bitches. - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -11/+22you get the ff extensions to work in opera and we got a deal
- gudnbluts, on 02/21/2008, -1/+12"I'll keep using Firefox until Opera is free-er"
It's totally free. No ads. Has been for years now. - herrshuster, on 02/20/2008, -0/+11I take it back. flash works in the new beta
- sponeil, on 02/21/2008, -3/+13That's a good one, but IE7 might be more of a Taco Bell. The food is the worst around, but a ton of people eat there because it's the cheapest. (In the case of IE, the reason would be because it's already there and they don't have to install anything).
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -10/+20"Opera whines about a competitor that is kicking its ass" Yeah..THAT's news.
- joeldsouza, on 02/20/2008, -20/+30Opera is an awesome browser ...been usin it for years
I jus dont know why but I feel Opera is much more better than FF(in my opinion!)
If you are an opera user check out the below link for opera speed tips... ;)
http://www.bizzntech.com/2007/11/11/13-opera-speed ... - JPOnion, on 02/20/2008, -3/+12I'm using it. You can't automatically update the list, but you can import it for the same effect.
- BigglesPiP, on 02/20/2008, -11/+20Is it just me, or does the Opera community have sand up its vagina this month?
- dacheetah, on 02/21/2008, -0/+9The trouble is that MSIE has market share, but you have to use ugly hacks to get HTML XHTML and CSS to display properly, which is a bad programming practice, makes for code that is alot harder to troubleshoot and is just a pain in the arse.
It's bad enough that when I create a website, testing it as I go in Firefox, and then do a cross browser/platform test, I'm not surprised when every single browser other than MSIE almost always displays what I want, and in almost the exact same manner, but MSIE ALWAYS has something that isn't right and needs some kind of hack in the code (like semi-commented CSS) before it will be acceptable, let alone perfect. - atdigg, on 02/20/2008, -27/+36Opera is the best browser. Period. (read this with Tom Cruise's intonation)
If you are not sure what I mean compare Firefox 3 Beta with Firefox 2 and see the difference in speed then try Opera and you'll find it even faster than Firefox 3, in addition Firefox 3 extensions are hit and miss, Opera has all I need without having to install any extension. Firefox 3 will be a good competitor to Opera but it's not there yet. - latova, on 02/20/2008, -1/+9"Opera", not "Oprah".
- stretch611, on 02/21/2008, -0/+8Microsoft will avoid supporting web standards as long as it is able to. A standardized browsing experience is extremely harmful to its monopoly.
More than anything else Microsoft's monopoly is built on having the most available and popular software. Even with the bundling on almost every machine sold, being able to run software is why people use windows. If the best games/productivity/business software titles only ran on linux, you can guarantee that people would remove windows and install linux on every machine that they bought.
Web development and adherence to standards is a way to level the playing field. If the software you need to run works on any OS/Browser combination because of web standards you are no longer tied to windows. On new software we use standards, but as long as the older application is not compliant we are forced to use windows.
For years IE did not adhere to standards. That is why there are still web applications that require IE. My current company has one huge application that will only work in IE and my prior employer had quite a few IE only applications. It is expensive to invest a few hundred hours in converting these large applications to utilize web standards so we are forced to use IE/windows. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 02/21/2008, -0/+8Somewhere around 8/10 computers uses Internet Explorer. The number definitely changes depending on the region.
You can at least agree that they have the lead by a huge margin, and have several times everyone else's market share.
The real issue is making websites. If you don't do that then you just don't know.
Non-Standards Compliant Internet Explorer, usually means websites need two versions, IE and everyone else. This is a huge waste of time and money. And often you have to rely on hacks, and avoid bugs in IE to get the page to render properly.
It's not really Opera that has the biggest issue with Internet Explorer, it's the community of web developers and businesses on the Internet that are really behind the Internet Explorer hate.
This is a really big and expensive problem. - juicebag, on 02/21/2008, -0/+7Firefox works great for me, and the admittedly ridiculous RAM usage has never caused a problem for me.
- VargVikernes, on 02/21/2008, -0/+7Man, I gotta digg you for mentioning RealPlayer. Those people that made RP should be sued for crimes against humanity for that piece of *****.
- spanner, on 02/20/2008, -3/+10This is from a development company that make a wonderful browser but can't create an inline spell checker like IE7 or Firefox
- trib4lmaniac, on 02/20/2008, -0/+7Firebug.
- TheSmiddy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+7yeah unbundling the browser is rediculously stupid, how are you meant to browse to operas homepage to download their browser if you don't have IE to do it?
- stretch611, on 02/21/2008, -1/+7Microsoft hates all threats to its monopoly. A web standards compliant browsing experience is a credible threat.
- stretch611, on 02/21/2008, -1/+7A job offer at Microsoft is not always used to improve the product Microsoft sells. There are many cases where Microsoft has hired people to cause a brain drain from a target company or in your example silence critics. Just ask people at Borland, Novell, and many others. I have even heard that people from Yahoo have been offered new jobs outside the takeover bid.
- dzero, on 02/21/2008, -0/+6tgc1 is right. just today i worked for a client that had FF and Safari on their mac, but the system hadn't been switched to use FF as the default browser. the client was just confused because when they opened a link from another app, safari opened, and when they wanted to browse the web, they used FF.
people will use what opens and what they know how to use. they want to click on something and make the magic happen.
speaking strictly as a web designer, IE is awful. i shouldn't have to write special code for the most popular browser on the planet, it should be a gimme. - Kavok, on 02/21/2008, -2/+7You know why I don't use Opera? Extensions!
If I could use my Firefox extensions in Opera I should switch in a heartbeat. - FredFredrickson, on 02/21/2008, -0/+5Hehe, yeah it really made me angry when I heard about their complaints. To think that they would use the court to try to make Windows even gimpier just because they want people to use their bug-infested spyware piece of crap player ticked me off.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 02/21/2008, -1/+6Safari gets the same bump in OSX that Internet Explorer gets in Windows.
The operating system is designed around it in various ways unseen, and the developers have an intimate knowledge of the Operating system, which gives them an advantage. - Awspire, on 02/20/2008, -1/+6You should be insta-banned for even mentioning Oprah's name on Digg.
- gamelord12, on 02/21/2008, -4/+9That site blows things vastly out of proportion. It's not hard at all to follow Microsoft's licensing restrictions, which incidentally don't restrict you from doing much outside of installing it on multiple computers. I like GNU/Linux quite a bit, but it's not like Microsoft's in the wrong. The DRM doesn't restrict you from using your own programs, and Windows Defender doesn't delete anything that isn't ACTUALLY malware. They're blowing things out of proportion in a sad attempt to drive Microsoft out of business.
- vade79, on 02/21/2008, -3/+8Opera looks good, and renders pages properly, but faster in what sense? Opera javascript speeds are, by far, the slowest of the bunch last time i checked. (always annoys me having to work animations around opera)
- JP42, on 02/21/2008, -0/+5Superior products don't always win over inferior ones, especially when monopolies are involved. Because Microsoft bundles a media player and a browser with it's operating system people don't realize there are better products out there. Furthermore capitalism isn't some catalyst for new ideas and better products. Because each company is a silo, all the work they do has to be repeated by every company that is trying to achieve the same goal. Competition in this regard can actually hold back progress. This is why open source collaboration and standards are a good way to move forward. This is what the article was talking about.
- mrBitch, on 02/21/2008, -0/+5dug for stating the real issues most tech industry people have against IE in a way that is both well expressed and to the point.
- corevette, on 02/20/2008, -11/+16some people don't want bittorrent, widgets, an email client, and irc built in their browser
hey...us digg users would use those....
but the average people wouldn't - quikboy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+5I'm using both IE7 and Opera, and both have their pros and cons. But since IE8 will be standard-compliance, why are they still complaining? It's not even their browser.
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