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- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+48Not the same as last week's post, this is the beta.
Opera 9 rocks. It has support for all the things that stopped me from making the switch from Firefox in 8.5. CTRL-T for tabs, better CSS support (opacity), etc.
Opera, especially 9, is A LOT faster than Firefox and uses memory IMMENSELY better, and that's enough for me. The only problem is many so-called web-designers don't test their websites in Opera, so I have to make the switch from time to time.
I still do my web development in Firefox, though. Can't live without the Developer Toolbar.
If you haven't tried Opera, now is the time. By the way, I love the way my comment gets -dugg for writing something not pro-FF. - incognegro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30You, sir, are a certified *****. Needs no further explanation, just by the merit of your comment and username, you clearly fail at life. Please remove yourself from the gene pool, for the sake of humanity. Thanks.
- grammarpolice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Opera has something that no other browser has!!!!!
If you go to a picture gallery and click a picture to display, instead of pressing back and selecting another picture to display, you can just press space-bar to view the next picture in the gallery!! Browsing pictures has never been so easy!
That's one of the many reasons I love Opera - sHARD>>, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24You realize that FireFox is now *slower* than Mozilla? How is it catching up fast?
- d3bruts1d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+22Widgets aren't supose to be competition for FF's extensions. They are completely different.
- jjk5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Passes ACID2 test now as well, compared to the 8.5. Seems to not have anymore hiccups with GMail as well. I like the thumbnails when you hover over a page.
- Kazbaeden, on 10/12/2007, -11/+30I can't stand FF because of its extensions. When I install opera, everything is there that I need (gestures, tabs, skins, rss, mail) and I don't need to configure anyrthing.
But, if extensions are a make or break deal for you, then have a look at these pages:
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/09/opera-and-firefox-extensions-ii
http://virtuelvis.com/archives/2005/01/opera-and-firefox-extensions
http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/userjs/
And now that Opera is Free, I think FireFox has a long way to go before its as refined. - sHARD>>, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Opera 9 passes Acid 2. IE doesn't. Mozilla doesn't. Firefox doesn't. Opera is generally one of the most complaint browsers out there. Most of the time when I find broken pages it was because they were designed with workarounds for Firefox or IE. Actually try a browser and understand it before you bash it. Making an educated decision in polite society is *okay*.
- MadOgre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Whoa.... Okay. I admit that I was wrong. (downloading 9.0 Beta right now)
My Bad. - Rousterfar, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Opera is far fatser then anything Mozilla based I have used.
- syff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Lovely!
I've tested all the weekly builds of Opera 9 so far, and they've proven that Opera is without doubt the best piece of software that exist - regardless of type! Opera is lightyears ahead of every other browser out there when it comes to speed, usability and customizibility.
Internet Explorer user: switch, now!
Firefox user: please give it a try. - pdeco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Opera is free.
- wonderbud, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Ive been using opera 9 for a few months now, and yes Opera is the best piece of software out there.
Its just great.
Theres nothing else to say, it renders pages faster than firefox, or IE.
Unlike firefox it really truly feels like it was designed with the user in mind. For instance: When you close a tab in firefox it goes to the tab that is farthest on the right. In opera when you close a tab, it goes the the most recently used tab.
If you accidentally close a tab (believe me, it happens), in FireFox your screwed. In Opera you just press CTRL + ALT + Z and it pops back up just like you had never closed it.
By the way, Mouse gestures are the SH*T.
Give it a whirl - Kazbaeden, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18You can turn anything you want off. Opera has done a great job at giving the browser an amazing degree of functionality while maintaining a minimalistic feel. So you can have all the features on or all the features off, and it still feels the same.
- cheez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14i'm still excited for opera for the ds
- tavyc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15@soogy: Opera has a Web Developer toolbar too: http://nontroppo.org/wiki/WebDevToolbar
- unclejesse0, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18I love Opera. I've tried Firefox and its a great browser but I think that Opera as much much better. It's a very beautiful browser too, and its functionality is excellent. I've played with the widgets for Opera 9 and they are pretty cool. Once there is a large collection of widgets to choose from it will really awesome. I'm very excited about Opera 9.
- pdeco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Its implemented in beta 9.
Opera doesn't need to be told ".com", one can just enter "digg" as the url adress and it will redirect. Most overlook what CNTL + Enter were in - ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21best. browser. ever.
- twollamalove, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I've noticed better JavaScript support in Opera 9 as opposed to Opera 8, too.
- reeeeeeese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Except... you don't have to pay to use Opera anymore.
- Flinty, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Gotta say Opera is simply the best. Everything in one application, IRC, Email, RSS, Download Manager and Even a Torrent client!
- xAXISx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html disagrees.
- D4r7h3v1l, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10yea, d3
I will definitely try this out when I get back home tomorrow. I use FF, but I like to keep an open mind. I have tried Opera in the past, but I always end up liking FF's 'feel' (don't know how to describe it) better.
BTW, I didn't know you were active on Digg, d3. Well, it is an Opera story :-P. This is marty, BTW. - takeda, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14detrate: I like built-in stuff because it guarantees me that one feature won't conflict with another one (you don't have this in ff, because of that you need to be careful what you install).
Also when new version of FF gets released some extensions might stop working, because author didn't updated them... - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11In addition to being the best browser it has: e-mail, IRC, RSS feeds, bittorrent and now widgets.
With all that already installed it still works faster than Firefox and the interface is snappier.
Sorry but I need 20 extensions in Firefox to make it work as Opera and it still feels like a patched work. - madIvan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Bullcrap. GPL takes away more of my rights than Opera ever could, just to satisfy infantile magalomaniac Stallman's distorted view of reality.
If anything, Opera is a perfect proof that FOSS is _not_ by definition better. - soft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You don't have to pay for the desktop edition, it's only certain portable editions that they charge for. Like Firefox, they make money via Google's search for the desktop edition.
One place where Opera is by far the best is Pocket PC, it's far better than the heavily cut-down Pocket IE and there's no other competition - and this version is also free. - Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Dingo,
Try the Opera 9 Beta. They've upgrade the adblock capability to the point that it's actually useful. Not as good as the adblock extension that FF has, but certainly useful. - Jakub81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I am former Mozilla user. I am former Internet Explorer user. I tried Firefox, Netscape, K-Meleon, Maxthon and a few other browsers. Some of the browsers are fine, some other not so. But Opera really stands out from the crowd. It's simply the best.
- Lexrst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I've been using Opera since version 5 or 6 and have always loved it - primarily for the built-in popup blocker that has been a feature long before MS even thought about it (and before the Google Toolbar for IE).
I've used the 9 beta for a while now and love the Digg widget (it's the only one I've enabled so far). Mouse gestures are fantastic and so is session saving upon exit. How I lived without tabbed browsing before is beyond me. I've also been running the IE 7 beta... it's crap compared to Opera.
I only occasionally encounter rendering problems - and they're certainly not as bad as the numerous 'script errors' in IE. - Dingo128, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I starting using Opera about 5 months ago, I was growing tired of all the crap that IE could cause. Firefox was great, but it was missing some polish that I could not put my finger on. Then I got Opera, it was so sweet. It has the reliability I was looking for, it is way more safe than IE, and it to me has a more professional polish that Firefox can't match. Now, if it had the Ad block capabilities of Firefox I would be totally set.
- Tommy2k4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Then customize opera's keyboard shortcuts to be the same as the one's you're already used to :)
- Numfar28, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I like open source software as much as the next geek, but really, you should come up with a better reason for not even TRYING something different.
- xAXISx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10How would it be 'taking away your rights'? You'd have to have rights before they can be taken away. Plus, downloading the software gives you more flexability than you had before, certainly not taking away your rights. Completely incorrect context.
- phoenixp3k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You don't even have to do it manually, just go there http://portal.opera.com/startup/customize/ (and pick Firefox keyboard shortcuts)
--bottom of the page - TheTankengine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I absolutely LOVE the mouse gestures.
I used to use Opera 8 for a little while because I liked the features and I thought it was a very slick program. However, I kept switching back to ff because of ctrl+enter and a couple other shortcuts, plus the 3 or 4 extensions I used.
I will definitely be switching back now! :) - Numfar28, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I believe you can remove Opera's start up dialog box...and Opera 9 has changed some of their shortcuts, including Ctrl-T to open a new tab. You can customize all keyboard shortcuts, too, as mentioned.
- Numfar28, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Opera 9 - Right-click on page, Block Content..., click on ads, click done. Quite easy, really.
Personally I'm quite impressed they made it that easy considering they're a commercial company and all...I'm pretty sure we'll never see IE go that far. - unclejesse0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually I find that the mail feature is very useful. I used to use Thunderbird but then I got sick of having to open a seperate application just to check a few emails. Now I use the mail built in to Opera and it is much easier.
- detrate, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21Kazbaeden: Not everyone WANTS that stuff built in. I love the fact that I can pick and choose my extensions.
- Buelldozer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I just downloaded and installed the V9 Beta and I'd like to update my previous comment about NTLM authentication. It IS now working in the Beta. Finally, I can logon to OWA at the office with it!
- Tommy2k4, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It already has Ctrl+Enter to add www. .com to an url.
You won't even notice the mail and other features unless you enable them, and it will still have a very low memory footprint. - awa64, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8As opposed to your precious Firefox, which has a LARGER memory footprint even BEFORE installing all the extentions required to bring it close to having the same functionality?
- NoMoreNicksLeft, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7When I started working on my site, I assumed that it could only ever be Firefox-only. SVG was the big thing that would hold stuff back, but I was afraid I'd have to do all sorts of crazy cross-browser javascript too. Opera 9 works, and the few bugs were due errors on my part that Firefox ignored.
But then, you're an IE user, so why am I bothering? I'd show off some cool stuff that isn't even possible in IE, but you wouldn't even have a real browser with which to view it. - exorcyze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7It's interesting to me the complaints about AJAX not working. I've done a bunch of Ajax stuff myself and opera contains all the capabilities of communicating to the server, getting the data, and replacing the HTML. In my opinion, what you're seeing is lazy developers discriminating against a browser - which I think most of the people here reading digg should be able to agree is asinine.
Also, things like gmail, google calendar, etc work just fine for me.
Regarding interface, give 9 a shot. Out of the box, Opera now has a very trim UI that I think is pleasant and minimal, with the ability to easily customize (skinning, adding / removing things, etc).
There are also TONS of things you can do to achieve the same functionality as you have in Firefox extensions. Check out the links posted in the comments above. And things like Adblocking are extremely simple and built in.
And I don't see the things like Mail, etc significantly affecting my memory footprint when I haven't set them up. And even when I have them enabled, the difference is negligible.
You can also set it up to run off USB if you so desire.
It seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions here based on either expectations or past experiences. Opera 9 is completely a new beast, and I think there are more than enough people here that would be surprised if you weren't even somewhat pleased with the browser.
That said, I can understand that not everyone will like it. Sometimes it comes down to intangible things. That's fine, sometimes that happens. However, knocking down something else just because it's not what you're used to is a little ridiculous. - Tommy2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@intrktevo: In opera you can:
Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Tabs > The top combobox - atlvick_7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This browser rock!!! I've been playing with it for the past 30 minutes or so and it's become my default browser over firefox. I love the new widgets idea and I love that there's a widget for digg.com! This is a must download!
- Tommy2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Portable opera is currently only at version 8.54, hopefully 9.0 beta will be supported soon.
www.opera-usb.com - GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6One thing I like about Opera is that the bookmark search *actually works.* When I try to search for a bookmark in Firefox, it's always iffy whether it works.
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