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- Jakub81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39Changelog:
http://opera.com/docs/changelogs/windows/900b2/ - LabThug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Not only is Opera a browser with the kitchen sink of Internet clients built in, it does it with less resources than either IE and/or Firefox....
Amazing isn't it! - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Either right-click on pretty much any toolbar or button and hit customize, or go to View->Toolbars->Customize. You can change almost everything about the interface.
- FyberOptic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Firefox is more bloated than Opera before you even add extensions to it.
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Ah, I see they fixed some stability issues. That's pretty much the only problem I had with Opera 9 Beta 1, though even when it crashed, it wasn't an issue, because Opera simply let me continue my last session from before the crash.
Bless the hearts of those Opera developers. - djcree, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Loves me some Opera.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12You can edit the application that opens torrent files without going to opera:config. Go to Tools->Preferences->[Tab] Advanced->[Tab] Downloads. Uncheck "Hide file types opened with Opera", and find torrent, click Edit, and choose to open with the default app, or another program.
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Opera never was about being just a browser. The mail/RSS/chat/whatever client won't take any memory if you don't intend to use it so no harm there.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Opera has had integrated BitTorrent support since build 8238, released back in February. For reference, Beta 1 was released near the end of April.
- trollenlord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11... And it's still smaller and faster and more stable. Touche.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The classic installer is the "old" Opera installer, while the other option, in your case English (US), is for the MSI-based installer.
- LabThug, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"no extensions"
You need to go here:
http://userjs.org/
or here:
http://operawiki.info/Opera - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11opera:config is the equivalent (it's actually better) to about:config. Google maps works except for the + and - zoom. I've never really had a need for FF extensions except to enable things that are built into Opera, so I can't argue that point. Personal preference, I suppose.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Technically, Firefox is behind Opera in CSS rendering - see Acid2 test. It's rather a matter of websites having ***** code or serving IE-hacks to Opera.
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Opera 9 does include ad-blocking, and it's hardly a hack. Maybe you were referring to the filter.ini/css file rigmarole of past versions?
The first thing I did when they included adblock with one of the weeklies was visit MySpace, block ads, refresh, rinse and repeat for about 2 minutes. Other than the occasional ad, I hardly see anything anymore. - Tommy2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think he was pointing out that users of last weeks weekly need not install this version
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Opera is much faster than Safari once you open a ton of windows. Plus - the mouse gestures are amazing.
Oh - and when you go to the "Window" list - it shows you all of the tabs that are open in a given window. That is a major time-saver. - gstuartj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The RPM for SuSE 10.0 works just fine. Use it.
- kohoutec, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I find the latest adblocking facility works fine in Opera - Right click/Block Content, click each element you want to block and then click "done". Job done.
- wfbnadador, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11depends when you got opera. not new to beta 2. just new to 9
- Dog_Paddle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Oh nevermind I figured out how to fix the fonts!nnFor anyone who has used Safari for a while, and are like me and love the fonts, go into Opera prefrences and change both fonts to Helvetica.nnHot damn I might actually start using Opera now.
- Flanker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Gmail works great for me. Clear your cache. Then point your browser at https://gmail.google.com/ Note the httpS. :)
- d3bruts1d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Looks like it is the same build that was released as last week's "weekly".
- splintax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The download page lets you choose between the "classic installer" (3.7MB) and another option, "English (US)". Anyone know what the difference is?
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Why are so many Firefox fanboys concerned with Opera?
If you don't like Opera, why the ***** are you in this thread? - ThePict, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6There is a find as you type function. Type a period '.' to begin.
Thnx armbar. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Actually, I take back my previous comment. There was one other problem I found: Opera's BitTorrent support. It seems a little bulky (compared to uTorrent), and there is no simple option to disable it.
You have to go through opera:config and change BitTorrent to disabled, otherwise, the only way you can download torrent files are to right click and save .torrent files to disk. Of course, this is a beta release, so I'm sure they'll add the option soon enough. - splintax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Why wouldn't you use it as your main browser if you love it so much?
I use Opera as my main browser, but I still use Gmail under Firefox (and have it installed as a backup). Gmail works under the latest betas, more or less, but I find it's still a bit buggy. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7IPv6 for Mac is coming soon in the weeklies, available at http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/
- deeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@veracon :: I really wish you would try it out before you make uninformed comments. Like LabThug said, the memory footprint for Opera is much less than IE and Firefox, and it includes more things out of the box! There is a reason why it is one of the most popular mobile web browsers. ;-)
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Well, you don't have to. Opera doesn't block per website, but per advertiser. You can go to prefs and enter your own filters.
- corrosive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well *****. Looks like Opera is taking FFs place on my comps, im tired of the crashing anyways.
- FyberOptic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Opera disproves most everything positive which they boast about in their own browser (speed, security, features, memory usage, etc), and therefore is at the top of their Official Zealot Watch List!
- pingviini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6once again because it is still relevant...
If you run Opera 9 through the acid test, it actually does render it correctly.
So technically, IE (or whatever your other browser is) doesn't render pages correctly.
See for your self.
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6If you hit the period (when not in a text field) it will pop up a box for "Finding text". Type away.
- er0k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Especially the tabs, whenever you open a new tab, it doesn't go straight to the tab, you have to click it AFTER you've already opened it."
Preferences > Advanced > Shortcuts > Middle Click Options > Open in New Tab instead of Open in Background Tab - pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And you can have endless wars about things that are a matter of taste:
* simple but extensible base (aka primitive) vs rich, complete, integrated set (aka bloated).
* open source vs closed source written by paid professionals
* etc... - pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"IE very rarely runs into issues with rendering."
IE users - maybe. IE - no way. IE as a browser is one huge rendering problem. It's just that webdevelopers spend hours or days hacking this junk because websites *have to* work in IE, no matter how bad it is. It's starting to be same with FF (although ofcourse it's less troublesome), but Opera still has too tiny marketshare to justify coding (or rather avoiding messing up code) for it.
It's not that Opera displays Acid2 test only and that's it. It does support a lot of IE quirks, sometimes it's even *too much* and poor browser-detection code throws all nasty IE bug-hacks at it.
In v9 Opera Software has even given up some long-standing standards-over-bugs policy - for example Opera doesn't set padding on body instead of margin, although according to CSS box-model it was the better way.
XSLT has been added (although in many cases client-side XSLT can be disaster for accessibility) and WYSIWYG (Opera programmers must have hated writing ms frontpage-like application :) - FyberOptic, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I used to think all the extra features were pointless, since I had always been used to using an external mail client, RSS viewer, etc. But eventually, for whatever reason, I decided to try the built-in mail client. When I found I could get my mail notifications without needing another app open, and read'em without opening yet another app, I decided to stick with it. And once I found I could get my RSS feeds in a similarly handy method, I switched to that as well. Nowadays I very much enjoy having those things integrated, since I leave Opera loaded all the time anyway, hidden to the tray when not in use (thanks to a button I added below "minimize" to do so easily).
But will I ever use widgets? Probably not. Integrated Bittorrent? I dunno yet. uTorrent currently does all my torrenting needs, in a fast and compact package. And I still don't use their chat client, because mIRC is way too customizable to drop, though I know a few people who have used it.
But like everyone said, even with all this stuff, Opera still manages to perform so much better than Firefox does right out of the box, where as if you implemented every possible feature Opera has in Firefox, you'd probably start to have a hard time keeping the thing running. - pingviini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If you run Opera 9 through the acid test, it actually does render it correctly.
So technically, IE (or whatever your other browser is) doesn't render pages correctly.
See for your self.
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
my favorite thing(s) about Opera are tabs, gestures, and the address bar searches.
Sure Firefox can do these things with extensions, but Opera does all that faster than even a stripped down version of Firefox. - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Do you have any examples? Other than Gmail, I can't remember the last time I visited a site that wasn't rendered correctly (or if it wasn't, I didn't notice) in the weeklies. Gmail is pretty much perfectly rendered now too.
- Tommy2k4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@diggitydank: Try editing the keyboard shortcuts in preferences, it's pretty easy. Look at the Ctrl+Enter for an example
- Devz0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Most of the stuff that is reported to not have rendered correctly in Opera is because some web sites: discriminate against Opera or have bad code
- armbar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7The only problems I've had with Gmail are with the email message text box; sometimes line breaking doesn't happen, so the message starts scrolling horizontally. Also, the lines for labels will occasionally stretch across the page. However, with the latest weeklies, the problems have been gradually fixed.
For all the complaining that people do about "Opera doesn't render pages correctly", the problems I've had are few and far between, and if anything, are related to poor development, not Opera itself. - Ezku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4> Opera just doesn't.. feel right. Especially the tabs, whenever you open a new tab, it doesn't go straight to the tab, you have to click it AFTER you've already opened it.
It should, and at least on Windows it does do exactly that. This might be different on your platform, but check Preferences -> Advanced -> Tabs for whether there is something relevant to your problem.
Or are you perhaps referring to links opening to the background when you open them by middle-clicking? That's normal, but you can change it easily from the preferences. - pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Official answer always is: WIR (When It's Ready).
- radu79, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I was wondering, does it import the settings and bookmarks from the previous builds? Because the previous version didn't, so I am using an old Beta 9.
- shout, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Well I use Firefox mostly due to some of the extensions. I don't understand the hostility for loving the browser. Such haters.
- danielg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yes, Opera 9 now automatically imports your bookmarks from the other browsers that are installed on your computer.
- splintax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4That's because the weekly builds are pre-beta, and even less "stable" than a beta. (Yes, I do realise how meaningless beta, alpha etc. has become lately.)
Similarly, you probably won't notice many differences between the last beta of Opera 9, and Opera 9 Final. -
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