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- ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -4/+75I, for one, welcome our old DVD overlords.
Sony, MS... here's the deal. Sort it out or I'm not gonna buy either one. - zweben, on 10/12/2007, -1/+53Sony, MS, movie studios... here's the deal. You've screwed up so bad that i'm not buying either HD drive option until they're so cheap that I end up getting one included with my computer because it was the minimum optical drive.
- gronne, on 10/12/2007, -3/+49I can't imagine why this would be the case. Unless you have a completely state of the art TV and an old crappy monitor I guess that could happen. Even so I don't see how that's Microsofts fault. They don't make DVD software or DVD drives. Or monitors for that matter.
- yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46meh, they'll be a patch available to circumvent this in no time. remember, it's a PC... everything can be overwritten one way or another.
- birdwatcher3000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+45Companies are leading consumers up to a trap and everyone is happy about it. Especially the case with VCRs not being able to play content is intolerable.
I say the hell with HDTV HDMI and all other kinds of bull crap like them. Have we been enjoying films and content any less all these years that we need this "digital gestapo crap" in our PCs that will dictate to us how many times we are going to watch something?
This is like all the self righteous wars in the name of freedom and justice (never the case). They only want to force consumers into buying NEW TV sets, NEW VCRs, NEW this, NEW that, so they can profit, all in the name of "anti-piracy".
And then we'll have the usual PC crap, ohhhhh but you need to upgrade your TV to that model so you can have such and such crap feature.
Riiiight.
I am against piracy but this is so pathetic. And with DRM and everyone trying to intrude your privacy and steal your private data all I have to say is. "Welcome to 1984". You are not as "free" as you think you are. - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41The HDCP (high-definition content protection) overlords are coming to get us. They are basically saying you can't watch video unless you have a digital monitor and a special video card that supports the end-to-end content protection they have built; So that you, the un-trusted-consumer-who-bought-their-expensive-product, can't possibly make backup copies or anything else with that fancy new HD-DVD or Blu-ray disc you have.
- Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+37The funny (read: *****) thing is that I cant see how HDCP will actually even prevent piracy. In fact the only thing I can see it doing is encouraging piracy because everyone whose bought a new computer/monitor/HDTV in the last few years which don't have HDCP are now screwed out of the several thousand dollar purchases. So instead of buying new products they will turn to pirated/cracked Blu-ray/HD-DVDs which will work without the HDCP.
- unknownsoldierX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35@baxtermaddux
You're a ***** idiot if you think Apple won't be implementing the same copy-protection schemes. - gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33What makes you think Mac won't have the same restrictions?
- DeflatorMouse, on 10/12/2007, -17/+44> .. because of anti-piracy protection granted to the Hollywood studios ..
...BY MICROSOFT. - ricree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Personally, I think this is great news. The sooner that a large amount of people start to have problems playing their shiny new movies, the sooner the general public realizes how much DRM screws with consumers in general.
- SweetMercury, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
There's a link detailing exactly what lengths Microsoft is going to in order to enable this Copy-Protection garbage. Apparently, HDCP causes such quality losses in the name of copyright protection that the resulting video isn't even worthy of being called "HD."
Good job, industry! Spend an incredible amount of time and effort developing the next generation of video quality only to step on it BEFORE THERE'S EVEN A DECIDED UPON STANDARD in the name of Copy Protection which will just be outflanked by a couple of 14 year old hackers and distributed over BitTorrent anyway.
Here's a news flash MPAA (and RIAA), if you want people to go out and buy the DVDs you produce, TRY NOT RELEASING STEAMING PILES OF *****! Don't ***** your end user in the ass by completely screwing with his expensive equipment. - Drealoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23Because as we all know, home consumers are the real engine behind movie piracy, and not say highly organized release groups who have the system down to a science. And also, as we all know, this will stop movie piracy once and for all, just like Starforce stopped video game piracy and Sony's rootkit stopped music piracy.
- epu2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28what pc's will be able to play hd disks?, because it says, "on certain PC's
- Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26I hope you realise that without HDCP Linux wont be able to run HD content either.
- Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20So what.
It boils down to one thing. HD/Blu-Ray players for PCs will come bundled with HDCP outputs, or people won't bother buying the players in the first place. It will mean even more increased costs for the consumer, because you will also need an HDCP compliant video display in addition to the increqased costs for the HDCP outputs for the overpriced players. Save your money and oblige them - don't buy the new HD formats.
It's not Microsoft's fault, it's the entertainment industry. Apparently they would rather kill off the format on PCs than earn any money or have any chance at developing them into profitable formats. Let them die.
In the real world, people are beginning to realize that HD content will really be downloaded and/or distributed on flash in the future - not these crummy crippled DRM laden discs. Microsoft even realizes it, as they plan on focusing on the 360 as the HD distribution/viewing channel, rather than Vista and a PC. I assume the MS home servers will also allow for this kind of focus. - kryptobs2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19This is not news, I don't think microsoft ever said anything to mislead people that you did not require an hdcp compatible videocard and monitor. I had heard this from the very beginning.
- liquidcola, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Well well well, that's a shame... I guess I'll just have to download all my HD content from torrent sites and P2P etc etc etc...
- gwolf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19You are nuts if you think Microsoft can do what they please with the studio's movies. They would spend their massive fortune in court and lose. If you want to blame some one, blame the paranoid movie studios.
- laserdisc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I would think this would apply to all editions of Windows Vista. No doubt PCs with HDCP which to my knowledge hasn't been turned on yet would be able to play HD content off HD/Br discs. But with every copy protection technology there's always been a work around so I wouldn't worry much about it. Microsoft would only be doing this to keep Hollywood off it's back.
- wtf00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16mpaa could eat ***** and die... DVD quality still good enough for me.
- headband, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19this is a hardware limitiation people
all you guys with mac and linux and no hdcp videocards or displays will not be able to play them either - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -1/+16The rest of the consumer electronics industry has told the MPAA dinosaurs to shove off. Microsoft should have done the same thing. Consumers don't want or need DRM. They just want easy, immediate access to content they can just point, click, and pay for - for a reasonable price. Period.
- MidnightWatcher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16It's "High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection", not "High Definition Content Protection". For the exam.
- daverp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16I don't blame M$ for this. Now the MPAA on the other hand can go ***** themselves with a spoon.
M$ had two choices 1. Comply with the MPAA and play the content. 2. Don't comply and don't play the content.
These are the same choices Apple will have and Linux users your just screwed, you'll never see a legal way to play these movies.
Since the anti-trust settlements M$ doesn't have the power or the balls to stand up to anyone. - Kwipper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Here is my solution to this problem.
a.) Do not buy HD-DVD media/player
b.) Do not buy BLU-RAY media/player
c.) Wait for someone to crack the HD content on both formats (which I think might have been done already)
d.) Wait for the content to leak onto the various Bittorrent sites and P2P Networks.
e.) Download and Enjoy... - Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"Unless you have a completely state of the art TV and an old crappy monitor I guess that could happen"
Actually, its probably the other way around. His monitor is probably a much higher resolution than his TV, and a much higher resolution that that of DVD. DVDs, are only 720x480, so on a monitor that is 1280x1024 (probably the most common now) it would look pixelated, where as on a standard definition TV it would look fine. - daverp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I hope this does not get cracked (which it will). I hope no one buys HD-DVD or BluRay and then studios will learn a lesson. They own the content, we are the consumer, we buy the content. It's simple, if they don't supply content with out DRM like the market demands then the market just won't buy their product.
- ZachPruckowski, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Not legally, but that seems to matter less in the Linux world. I'm not sure there's a legal (in some jurisdictions) way to listen to MP3s or watch DVDs on Linux, since Open Source projects tend to reverse engineer stuff instead of buying the rights. You'll recall that DeCSS came about as an attempt to make a Linux DVD player. So if there's going to be a hack to get around AACS, it'll likely appear on Linux first. It may take 1-2 years, but I'd bet that there will be a reliable deAACS before more than a handful of films are available only in HD formats.
- PhantomZmoove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13I always get dragged into OS "upgrades" kicking and screaming anyway. I held on to DOS well into 95. I kept 98 past its prime after XP came out. So I'm sure I'll be here long after Vista is everywhere.
I'm uncool enough that it just might work. - SpanishBrowne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Just wondering if I could get a hands up too see who is actually going to jump through hoops to replace their current home theater setup and entire DVD collection with something that is negligibly different (to 80 - 90% of consumers), insanely restrictive and for the short to medium term, hyper expensive - oh, and in addition, will probably be super ceded by another technology well before it reaches any kind of reasonable saturation point?
- chaosmachine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12making it harder for people to watch means less people watch it. good job mpaa.
- eelsid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Blocking ads is hardly being a mooch considering the type of people who are blocking the ads are the same people that would just ignore them if they weren't blocked anyway. That's like the TV execs who said that using DVRs to skip commercials was the equivalent of stealing. I for one love skipping commercials, so much so that I start watching a one hour show 20 minutes late so that I can skip through the 20 minutes of commercials and be caught up by the time it's finished, saving 20 minutes of my life from consumer hell. In the old days it's not like I watched the commercials anyway, I would get up and do something or else mute the TV and read. I don't recall simply ignoring the commercials was ever labeled as stealing by the TV industry at the time.
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yes, digital downloads will be DRM'ed to death, and they'll only play on hardware approved by the movie studios. You'll never own those files, you'll merely be renting them -- probably on a pay-per-view basis.
The problem is, in order for that model to take over, people will have to stop buying standard DVD's. Since CSS was broken long ago, every DVD on the market is essentially DRM-free. The anemic HD-DVD/Blu-Ray software sales (something like an average of 3,000 units moved for each title) indicate that consumers are nowhere near fed up with 480p quality. For this reason, I believe that optical media isn't going away anytime soon. It's an obsolete delivery vehicle, but one that's going to linger around long past its sell-by date because the content providers don't trust consumers. Given a choice between a $15 480p DVD that they own, and a $20 1080p WMV file that they're leasing, the average consumer will choose the DVD. Keep in mind that these are the same people who, just a few years ago, had to squint to see the improvement from VHS to DVD, and kept asking about those funny black bars. Some of them think that standard DVD's are high definition content, or that merely purchasing an HDTV makes every cable channel display in HD. Seriously. - thatsmyaibo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Apple prides itself on media and entertainment. They would be mental not to implement this.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12And Sony.
- Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10But wait, kids, the studios promised us that they won't activate the Stupid Flag until nigh 2010. That's plenty of time for you to buy crippled hardware that supports the crippled video of the crippled future.
- Karmalary, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Well it certainly doesn't suprise me. Seemed pretty obvious a year ago the movie companies didn't give a ***** about the early adopters. I am still watching my old 4:3 ratio tv, fed by my 2 year old xp system w/ soundblaster. Why change? At least until the dust settles and I know where to point the soldier gun.
- Gizza, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Well yeah. But there will be as much chance of watching unprotected/illegal HD content on Windows as there will be on Linux.
- adidax, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I don't know, why don't you ask Arthur R. Ryan (CEO at Prudential Financial, arguably the "richest company in the world, with over $400 Billion in global assets) why he hasn't done much to stand up to the movie industry.
- mikesbaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9wow that actually makes me feel justified in pirating HD movies in XVid to play on my HD TV via my analog inputs all while never upgrading to Vista
F the MPAA and while I'm at it F the RIAA too. They are ruining technology as best they can. They are todays buggy whip manufactures. If they had embraced the digital revolution instead of trying to ***** on it they would still be making money like they were in the 80's. - Ricapar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The special connect itself IS DRM.
- sint4x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9How do they think implementing all this complication is going to stop piracy? Seriously, are they not beginning to piss everyone off to the point to provide growing motivation to crack their methods?
This kind of stuff will encourage piracy, not stop it. - daverp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Dam that Arthur Ryan. He's always trying to screw the little guy.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10[quote]Isn't this good? No DRM constantly running in the background slowing your computer down...[/quote]
The "DRM" constantly running in the background is part of something else (Trusted Computing). It's going to continue to run in the background in Vista.
Why don't you people get it yet? This isn't being done for your benefit! It's for Hollywood's benefit, the hardware manufacturers' benefit (especially Sony!), and MS's benefit. YOU ARE BEING SCREWED! - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Crysis is coming out for XP too. Save yourself some trouble and don't upgrade to Vista until this mess is sorted out. If ever.
MS has already announced they will release a new OS in 2-4 years. We may be able to skip over Vista entirely, as many people skipped Win2K and went straight to XP.
The biggest issue here is DX10. If MS ports it to XP, there will be no problems. - consonance, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Why is it that the richest company in the world, the corporation with the most leverage, the most power, the most influence, and the most used product of the 21st century, can't tell a few old men to shut their pieholes and play nice or they'll go to bed without any supper?
- Petronski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8That's a high-quality rant. First rate.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Great news! now when i buy an overpriced hd dvd or blue ray disc, i cant watch it in my pc at home. It just keeps getting better
- Lynn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No. The commercial license requirement of HDCP is not allowed with the GPL used by Linux.
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